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    Say that 10 species of crocodiles live on this earth and we know of. But at one point all the individuals of one specie disappear.
    Please tell how many species of crocs will be now and explain your reasoning.
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    First it's unclear whether you mean there are only 10 species regardless of how many we know about. I'm going to assume you mean there are only 10 and we know of all 10...

    9 or more. "At one point" can refer to any span of time, which could be long enough for more species to come into being (or not long enough for this to happen).

    Actually if you meant we only know of 10 and there may be more to begin with, the answer would still be 9 or more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    First it's unclear whether you mean there are only 10 species regardless of how many we know about. I'm going to assume you mean there are only 10 and we know of all 10...
    Yeah there are 10 species that we know, there are individuals of 10 species, before all the individuals belonging to one of them disappear.
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    Your answer is pretty interesting (compared to what I thought about) because it includes time as well. I just thought about species based on count of members and class - but also the potentiality of other species, I mean species that never existed and likely will never exist but they are possible. Eg one has long tail but short jaws; other has short tail but long jaws; therefore one could conclude that it might exist a specied that has both long (or short) tail and jaws.

    I also don't think that there is a correct answer to this, this is why I'd like to hear the opinion of other people, to see how they view the matter. For example, if I think about my "possible specie" (long tail and jaws), that's not actually a specie based on anything reasonable, because there's no guarantee that it is possible in nature for a croc to adapt like that.
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    Well, either all species of crocodile are accounted for and we're left with 9, or they're not and we're left with X-1 where X is the original number of species.

    Ten isn't a species of crocodile though. He's probably eaten crocs...
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    What crispy said

    first there is ambiguity in the fact only 10 species are known, which doesn't mean that there aren't more

    second you said at one point, which doesn't exclude the past or future

    lastly there is ambiguity in the fact that if there were more than 10 species, its possible for the wiped out species to be one of the species that was unknown. And people wouldn't even know it =p

    There is also an infinite number of ambiguities here, like whether when you say 10 you are using base ten and not say base two.... or perhaps some crocs evolved into two different species in the time it took the one species to die, maybe because of the same circumstances that caused it.

    but at any rate 9 or more is probably the most reasonable answer I've heard.

    Its hypothetical so ultimately, there is no real answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Ten isn't a species of crocodile though. He's probably eaten crocs...
    But the tenth is a specie, an extinct one. But again, it depends on what you consider as specie. Normally, it is based on two things:
    - the class, the specie itself - it has a name and characteristics;
    - the existence of its individuals, the contemporary evidence that this specie exists.

    When a specie existed but disappeared, it is still a specie that we know of, a plausible one (because it existed), we may use it in classifications (may be even a missing link) or using genetical samples (if available) we may recreate it as a living one.
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