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    let the Te flow henceforth in this thread. go.

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    okay, especially welcomed: ive made the decision that i am going to talk to my boss after she gets back from vacation and tell her that i seriously need more shit to do (at the risk of looking disposable, which i'm kinda freaked out about), but until then...well, i idk what to effing do. i've devised more creative and efficient ways to organize my files, my desk is clean as a whistle, my plan for today is to dig through the supplies and take stock of how we are sitting on everything...

    any ideas for something to do from those beautifully productive Te brains?

    if not, thats cool. just say something. anything. for the love of god, i am bored out of my mind.

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    oh hi, cyrano. thanks for the info. i will definitely keep it in mind in case those pesky trolls ever get in my way.

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    I heard it put like this, once upon a time:

    the goal is to become invaluable to your boss, such that they can't do anything without you. Know everything they need to know, and have influence over whatever it is they need to do their job. As you gain an increasingly broad and deep understanding of what is going on, and go above and beyond what is 'necessary', you will become more prized in the organization.


    ...it might be hard if you don't have that much to do right now, but, I'd try to think of things that actually affect the flow of business in a 'real' way -- that is, pointless reorganizing of things might just make you seem ineffectual, clueless, and or obviously nervous. So it's a line between ass-kissing and legitimately trying to demonstrate you're of value.

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    So, find out what is really important to your boss, and even your boss's boss.


    (*sigh* I dislike bosses and office settings...)

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    thanks, ryu. i think thats useful advice, and it describes my long-term goals pretty well, but thinking in those terms is hard when i'm sitting here with nothing on my desk.

    ive found a little project that could be helpful. the previous admin just ordered supplies when they were necessary of various brands. so i've written down everything we have in stock and i'm going to research the cheapest suppliers of each item and make an inventory list to keep track of stuff. this is productive, right? i cant think of anything else to do right now anyway, lol.

    my boss seems pretty nice and i dont mind office settings, and i see lots of potential to contribute here...the thing is, she really needs me to take some stuff off her hands, but she's too busy working on said stuff to tell me what i can take, and i'm too new to figure out how i can just butt in and help somehow or something, heh. but...eventually, things should pick up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    I heard it put like this, once upon a time:

    the goal is to become invaluable to your boss, such that they can't do anything without you. Know everything they need to know, and have influence over whatever it is they need to do their job. As you gain an increasingly broad and deep understanding of what is going on, and go above and beyond what is 'necessary', you will become more prized in the organization.


    ...it might be hard if you don't have that much to do right now, but, I'd try to think of things that actually affect the flow of business in a 'real' way -- that is, pointless reorganizing of things might just make you seem ineffectual, clueless, and or obviously nervous. So it's a line between ass-kissing and legitimately trying to demonstrate you're of value.

    ARRRGH. Someone slit my throat, and end the pain! Wow. PLEASE nobody take this advice. You do NOT want to be an invaluable slave to someone else. Your life isn't about a job. The last thing you want to be if you want to live your own life is indispensable. Read a book, use the time to plot where YOU want to go next in life, ask for some other project to work on if you truly must and you're that bored, but a job is just a job. Do it well and don't slack or anything, but when you're done, you're done. Filling time with little tasks and keeping yourself busy isn't actually "productive."


    edit: heh, oh wait, you wanted Te. nevermind then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    ARRRGH. Someone slit my throat, and end the pain! Wow. PLEASE nobody take this advice. You do NOT want to be an invaluable slave to someone else. Your life isn't about a job. The last thing you want to be if you want to live your own life is indispensable. Read a book, use the time to plot where YOU want to go next in life, ask for some other project to work on if you truly must and you're that bored, but a job is just a job. Do it well and don't slack or anything, but when you're done, you're done. Filling time with little tasks and keeping yourself busy isn't actually "productive."


    edit: heh, oh wait, you wanted Te. nevermind then.
    Actually this is an excellent point too.

    But if laghlagh is worried about becoming a disposable employee because she absolutely loves her job, her work environment, her boss, etc or she really realy REALLY needs this job (considering the high unemployment rate nowadays and the real potential of layoffs), what Ryu said is the key I think. Especially if at the moment, you're bored with absolutely nothing to do.

    However, this does not mean Laghlagh shouldn't carve out other potential paths in her career in case of a layoff or just for realizing your own potential. In fact i strongly recomment that you do, laghlagh.

    I say, check with the boss. If there is really nothing that she can give you at the moment and there are no clear projects that you can recognize to help out with, then rest easy and work on the self-development that squark mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    ARRRGH. Someone slit my throat, and end the pain! Wow. PLEASE nobody take this advice. You do NOT want to be an invaluable slave to someone else. Your life isn't about a job. The last thing you want to be if you want to live your own life is indispensable. Read a book, use the time to plot where YOU want to go next in life, ask for some other project to work on if you truly must and you're that bored, but a job is just a job. Do it well and don't slack or anything, but when you're done, you're done. Filling time with little tasks and keeping yourself busy isn't actually "productive."
    Thirding this. Taking up some extra responsibility at work is a great way to pass the time (since nothing is more excruciating than watching the clock) and it also staves off the guilt of getting paid to sit around and do nothing but it's important to remember that you're an employee. They're buying your skills and services by giving you a paycheck. If they see your extra effort, which you do as a nicety, and start expecting you to perform to that level all the time, then they can pay you extra for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    ARRRGH. Someone slit my throat, and end the pain! Wow. PLEASE nobody take this advice. You do NOT want to be an invaluable slave to someone else. Your life isn't about a job. The last thing you want to be if you want to live your own life is indispensable. Read a book, use the time to plot where YOU want to go next in life, ask for some other project to work on if you truly must and you're that bored, but a job is just a job. Do it well and don't slack or anything, but when you're done, you're done. Filling time with little tasks and keeping yourself busy isn't actually "productive."


    edit: heh, oh wait, you wanted Te. nevermind then.
    I'm not giving advice on how to live a fulfilling life, I'm giving advice on how to "keep a job" or perhaps get yourself in a situation to earn a promotion in the setting she described.

    I'm not exactly saying it's the lifestyle I choose and endorse...
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    Well, I don't know how much Te I can give you, but I've been in the same situation at work where I'm not being challenged enough. What's worked for me is coming up with different ideas for how the unit or department can function more efficiently, or ideas for new things for us to look into, and then run it by my boss or boss's boss. It bothers me when somebody complains about something at work, and there's a potentially easy solution, but the person doesn't bother to bring it up to their boss (because they're too scared or something? IDK).

    I also "happen to" stop by my boss's boss's office once every few days to "say hi" for a few minutes and then see if I can take anything off his plate. It feels natural and friendly that way.

    Also, I'd suggest rising to a level that is sustainable. If you give 150% for a prolonged period of time, but then drop down to 125%, people will look at you like you're only giving 75%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April View Post
    Also, I'd suggest rising to a level that is sustainable. If you give 150% for a prolonged period of time, but then drop down to 125%, people will look at you like you're only giving 75%.
    Shouldn't they look at you like you're giving 83,3 % percent? [here is some autistic for you ahah]

    ARRRGH. Someone slit my throat, and end the pain! Wow. PLEASE nobody take this advice. You do NOT want to be an invaluable slave to someone else. Your life isn't about a job. The last thing you want to be if you want to live your own life is indispensable. Read a book, use the time to plot where YOU want to go next in life, ask for some other project to work on if you truly must and you're that bored, but a job is just a job. Do it well and don't slack or anything, but when you're done, you're done. Filling time with little tasks and keeping yourself busy isn't actually "productive."
    I definitely agree. I personally think laghlagh could spend her time trying to learn the basics of a different language, for example. Or learn the basics of a programming language. Or anything which might indirectly boost her life-satisfaction, both on-the-job and in her free time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Shouldn't they look at you like you're giving 83,3 % percent?
    LOL, yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I definitely agree. I personally think laghlagh could spend her time trying to learn the basics of a different language, for example. Or learn the basics of a programming language. Or anything which might indirectly boost her life-satisfaction, both on-the-job and in her free time.
    right. Most of my actual free time at my job I focus on either planning for my future career or figuring out how to get the maximum utility out of the time I'm not obligated to be at work.

    Since I'm focusing more on paying bills before grad school with this job, I'm not exactly trying to butter up my boss. I probably put more mental effort into planning for things like grad school and career path and making my life more fulfilling (or even, actually, studying a language) -- or figuring out something fun to do with friends, than the work I'm actually being paid to do.

    In a lot of jobs, after so many times of doing it, you have excess mental capacity. Some of my biggest motivation is to get to a point where I could have a career where I'm actually involved in things I like doing, rather than just getting enough money and passing the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April View Post
    Well, I don't know how much Te I can give you, but I've been in the same situation at work where I'm not being challenged enough. What's worked for me is coming up with different ideas for how the unit or department can function more efficiently, or ideas for new things for us to look into, and then run it by my boss or boss's boss. It bothers me when somebody complains about something at work, and there's a potentially easy solution, but the person doesn't bother to bring it up to their boss (because they're too scared or something? IDK).

    I also "happen to" stop by my boss's boss's office once every few days to "say hi" for a few minutes and then see if I can take anything off his plate. It feels natural and friendly that way.

    Also, I'd suggest rising to a level that is sustainable. If you give 150% for a prolonged period of time, but then drop down to 125%, people will look at you like you're only giving 75%.
    thanks, this is all good stuff! i especially like the stopping by and saying "hi" idea because i dont want to come across too demanding (ie give me something to do damnit!!!) and i want to frame it as helpfulness, and i think thats a good way.

    a lot of the stuff here seems pretty standardized, but i dont see any drawback to throwing a couple of ideas out to see how receptive they are to them.

    and ya..the 150 percent, lol. its weird bc the biggest problem at my old job was that i was wayyyy overloaded and it wasnt understood how i wasnt able to avoid overtime, etc. so the change of pace here is HUGE. and i'm not sure whats "normal" and what isnt "normal" and what sort of pace/workload both i and an employer should reasonably expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    tell her that i seriously need more shit to do (at the risk of looking disposable, which i'm kinda freaked out about)
    Sounds good.

    She will hear you out - [...] -and then, you will hear her out. It only gets better after that. Parcel the things you need to do giving each and one of them a time frame it needs to be completed in. Enjoy!

    Quote Originally Posted by April View Post
    coming up with different ideas for how the unit or department can function more efficiently, or ideas for new things for us to look into, and then run it by my boss or boss's boss.
    Yup, sounds good as well.

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    This thread is productive and efficient in reaching it's goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post
    This thread is productive and efficient in reaching it's goal.
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    If I post in this thread, then I will have failed to use my time efficiently, given the following factors:

    (a) IEI's postulated Te PoLR, which will render my input less than effective;
    (b) an ongoing work project that takes priority over the "give me Te" task;
    (c) the probable higher value of genuine Te over the pseudo-Te that I have the capacity to offer.

    Therefore I propose that Te-valuing members of this forum continue to make an effort to contribute their skills so that the thread will achieve optimum results.

    With that disclaimer established, please consider the following actionable statements:

    Although laghlagh should seek to fully align and employ her skills set in the work environment, I recommend that she apply Te to maximize results in her private life, as well, with an emphasis on non-work-related needs and goals. These latter are foundational to long-term personal satisfaction and success, without which her job performance may suffer. In place of a job-performance review, we should schedule a leisure-performance review for laghlagh to measure her progress and discuss any further interventions. The review will take place on February 15, 2011, at 3:00 p.m. Any forum members unable to convene in regards to this matter on the proposed date will be required to file their reports in advance. A new thread will be created toward that end as of February 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    It should also be considered that a larger amount of work, even if in terms of quality, isn't necessarily conductive to larger earnings and/or lower costs for the company: earnings are strongly dependent on its ability to sell whatever it's producing, thus if your activity doesn't impact this factor it won't change your "added value"; costs in this specific setting are likely mostly dependent on the number of employed people, thus lowering them would require firing some of the workers (and you'll likely have to take up their slack, while your salary won't necessarily rise).
    Obviously, this isn't valid if you're running your own business, where you can almost directly impact the price of your services by being more or less productive.

    Lol, this sounds exactly like my LIE dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    If I post in this thread, then I will have failed to use my time efficiently, given the following factors:

    (a) IEI's postulated Te PoLR, which will render my input less than effective;
    (b) an ongoing work project that takes priority over the "give me Te" task;
    (c) the probable higher value of genuine Te over the pseudo-Te that I have the capacity to offer.

    Therefore I propose that Te-valuing members of this forum continue to make an effort to contribute their skills so that the thread will achieve optimum results.

    With that disclaimer established, please consider the following actionable statements:

    Although laghlagh should seek to fully align and employ her skills set in the work environment, I recommend that she apply Te to maximize results in her private life, as well, with an emphasis on non-work-related needs and goals. These latter are foundational to long-term personal satisfaction and success, without which her job performance may suffer. In place of a job-performance review, we should schedule a leisure-performance review for laghlagh to measure her progress and discuss any further interventions. The review will take place on February 15, 2011, at 3:00 p.m. Any forum members unable to convene in regards to this matter on the proposed date will be required to file their reports in advance. A new thread will be created toward that end as of February 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    I said that what I like about ESTjs is that they don't primarily notice others expectations and dont expect from you all the work that they put in (where as my ENFj dad seems to kind of push you to be like him and be "part of the ".) They're much more individualistic than types esp. around others. Absurd says "we step in where we need to" and he found the idea funny that a Beta group at his work telling him to come over here, seems like he's naturally kind of distanced from others opinions and treats each situation logically.

    exactly!!!!!
    My mom...Te creative, came over to my new place on the weekend and wanted to see Se (productivity) from me. She looked at a huge pile of paperwork that I was having a hard time organizing (Te) and started to dictate to me what things to do and how. I was just so tired of hearing it. I know she expected that bit of Te output to activate me, like it would do for SEE, but I couldn't do it. I wanted my Te leading type to just take over the work and do it so that would free me to be with people. To take care of the emotional lives of the people around me. I finally asked her to please take charge or the lead on the organization herself and she began to work.

    One mature LSE that I've met, wanted nothing to do with Fi; when his friend called about some troubles, he pushed the phone to me saying "please talk to this person, you can offer what I don't care to deal with."......Fi and psychotherapy, for hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    My mom...Te creative, came over to my new place on the weekend and wanted to see Se (productivity) from me. She looked at a huge pile of paperwork that I was having a hard time organizing (Te) and started to dictate to me what things to do and how. I was just so tired of hearing it. I know she expected that bit of Te output to activate me, like it would do for SEE, but I couldn't do it. I wanted my Te leading type to just take over the work and do it so that would free me to be with people. To take care of the emotional lives of the people around me. I finally asked her to please take charge or the lead on the organization herself and she began to work.
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    I'm surprised that B&D forgot about this thread.
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    It is very ineffiecient to have duplicate threads about the same topic when the topic has not changed due to time. However, I believe inserting this link here will bring the old thread and the new thread together sufficiently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Fixed for ISTp remix.
    Last edited by Timeless; 12-29-2010 at 04:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    His arm isn't 45 degrees to his jacket, his pants need to to be ironed and starched more, and his face is asymmetrical. I would like to replace this picture with a perfect representation of Te.



    There, that is orderly and organized, unlike that flawed heap of garbage-on-legs you posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton2 View Post
    OH NO MASSA BOSS MAN DON'T TAKE MAH PAYCHECK AWAY
    heh, word. i hate feeling that way.

    a lot of stuff you said in this thread resonated a lot. especially about your employer not being your friend. i mean, i don't think of myself as naive, and as a reasonable person i understand the nature of a business relationship...but when circumstances have risen which have shown that i'm more like a tool than a person in the workplace, i've still been kind of blindsided. i think that keeping an objective - and impersonal, i guess - outlook is sort of essential for self-preservation, but it really doesnt come naturally to me and being reminded that maintaining that distance is "ok" is nice.

    and thanks for the quotes. i especially like the patton one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    If I post in this thread, then I will have failed to use my time efficiently, given the following factors:

    (a) IEI's postulated Te PoLR, which will render my input less than effective;
    (b) an ongoing work project that takes priority over the "give me Te" task;
    (c) the probable higher value of genuine Te over the pseudo-Te that I have the capacity to offer.

    Therefore I propose that Te-valuing members of this forum continue to make an effort to contribute their skills so that the thread will achieve optimum results.

    With that disclaimer established, please consider the following actionable statements:

    Although laghlagh should seek to fully align and employ her skills set in the work environment, I recommend that she apply Te to maximize results in her private life, as well, with an emphasis on non-work-related needs and goals. These latter are foundational to long-term personal satisfaction and success, without which her job performance may suffer. In place of a job-performance review, we should schedule a leisure-performance review for laghlagh to measure her progress and discuss any further interventions. The review will take place on February 15, 2011, at 3:00 p.m. Any forum members unable to convene in regards to this matter on the proposed date will be required to file their reports in advance. A new thread will be created toward that end as of February 12.

    Best,
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    idk about Te, but this was fun to read, lol. you do a lot of business writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I'm surprised that B&D forgot about this thread.
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=23265
    It is very ineffiecient to have duplicate threads about the same topic when the topic has not changed due to time. However, I believe inserting this link here will bring the old thread and the new thread together sufficiently.
    do you mean me?

    creating threads is just more effective at staving off boredom than reading old ones. sorry for the redundancy.

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    Te on a platter!

    i will put it on my nightstand and decorate it with stickers. its beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    a lot of stuff you said in this thread resonated a lot. especially about your employer not being your friend. i mean, i don't think of myself as naive, and as a reasonable person i understand the nature of a business relationship...but when circumstances have risen which have shown that i'm more like a tool than a person in the workplace, i've still been kind of blindsided. i think that keeping an objective - and impersonal, i guess - outlook is sort of essential for self-preservation, but it really doesnt come naturally to me and being reminded that maintaining that distance is "ok" is nice.
    I guess I'm not that great at self-preservation *looks at E-stacking*, but it seems to work all right for me. I've only had 2 (steady, long-term) jobs in my 24 years of life so far, and I've become friends with both of the bosses. My first one--I'd go over her place for dinner, I'd house-sit for her, I'd babysit her cat. It really didn't feel weird. We were honestly friends, LOL. My current boss is a male, so it's a bit different, but we're still kinda friends. Effusively kind words that you wouldn't expect from a boss (nothing creepy), sharing of private information, gossiping (haha), and even hugs during tough times aren't uncommon, as weird as that may sound.

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    This thread is productive and efficient in reaching it's goal.
    Blah blah blah, efficiency, effectiveness, rationale, sense (i.e. the sense in doing something), expedience .What are you trying to accomplish? What you wrote was really pointless, it achieved nothing. You don't know what you are talking about. In fact, I think you are just talking out of thin air. Where's the evidence for this statement? related words:

    • productive, rational, justified, unjustified
    • movement, motion, speed, acceleration, displacement, rotation
    • production, work
    • algorithm, calculation
    • profit, finance, market
    • management, administration
    • diligence, industriousness, industry, conscientiousness
    • confirm, substantiate, prove, verify, support, test, double check, refute, disprove, debunk
    • information source
    • factual, reliable, confirmed, observed, unreliable, unconfirmed, hypothetical, unverified


    related statements (real-life only, please)


    • It provides both usefulness and a way to double-check...
    • What are you trying to accomplish?
    • What you did was really pointless, it achieved nothing.
    • Where's the evidence for this statement?
    • I'm still planning on applying within the next couple of weeks.
    • How often do you use the ATM?
    • you might get more value for your money with...
    • I don't... {do something} enough to justify the extra expense
    • take advantage of this opportunity you are providing
    • You'll be able to lift it easier if you move your hands further apart.
    • I have read several books on that subject.
    • This is confirmed by all the available evidence.
    • You are just talking out of thin air.
    • You don't know what you are talking about.
    • Get a clue.
    • I am just so sick of people's incompetence.
    • -------------
    • -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Wait a sec... Te vocabulary as per wikisocion ain't no bloody Te. Oops . Well, if anyone thinks otherwise: hello, cuckoo, wake up!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    Blah blah blah, efficiency, effectiveness, rationale, sense (i.e. the sense in doing something), expedience .What are you trying to accomplish? What you wrote was really pointless, it achieved nothing. You don't know what you are talking about. In fact, I think you are just talking out of thin air. Where's the evidence for this statement? related words:

    • productive, rational, justified, unjustified
    • movement, motion, speed, acceleration, displacement, rotation
    • production, work
    • algorithm, calculation
    • profit, finance, market
    • management, administration
    • diligence, industriousness, industry, conscientiousness
    • confirm, substantiate, prove, verify, support, test, double check, refute, disprove, debunk
    • information source
    • factual, reliable, confirmed, observed, unreliable, unconfirmed, hypothetical, unverified


    related statements (real-life only, please)


    • It provides both usefulness and a way to double-check...
    • What are you trying to accomplish?
    • What you did was really pointless, it achieved nothing.
    • Where's the evidence for this statement?
    • I'm still planning on applying within the next couple of weeks.
    • How often do you use the ATM?
    • you might get more value for your money with...
    • I don't... {do something} enough to justify the extra expense
    • take advantage of this opportunity you are providing
    • You'll be able to lift it easier if you move your hands further apart.
    • I have read several books on that subject.
    • This is confirmed by all the available evidence.
    • You are just talking out of thin air.
    • You don't know what you are talking about.
    • Get a clue.
    • I am just so sick of people's incompetence.
    • -------------
    • -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Wait a sec... Te vocabulary as per wikisocion ain't no bloody Te. Oops . Well, if anyone thinks otherwise: hello, cuckoo, wake up!!
    *the best one is:

    "You don't know what the F you're talking about"
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    give me Te
    Um.. get a job.

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    "And you're always telling me that it's my turn to move, when I wonder what could make the needle jump the groove."

    "I won't fall for the oldest trick in the book, so don't sit there and think you're off of the hook- by saying there is no use changing, because that's just what you are."

    "It's not like you would lose some critical piece if somehow you moved point A to point B, maintaining there is no point changing because that's just what you are."

    "And I could talk to you till I'm blue in the face, but we'd still would arrive at the very same place. With you running around, and me out of the race."

    "So maybe you're right, nobody can take- something older than time, and hope it could make it better. That would be a mistake. So take it just so far. 'Cause that's just what you are."

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    let the Te flow henceforth in this thread. go.

    (pls thx)
    , what have you done gurl? This poor girl got Te'ed:



    Once you ask an LSE a question related to Te matters and they're comfortable with you, prepare to be lectured for an extended period of time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    , what have you done gurl? This poor girl got Te'ed:



    Once you ask an LSE a question related to Te matters and they're comfortable with you, prepare to be lectured for an extended period of time...
    lmao! well, she appears to be enjoying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    , what have you done gurl? This poor girl got Te'ed:

    Once you ask an LSE a question related to Te matters and they're comfortable with you, prepare to be lectured for an extended period of time...
    Exactly, they love to teach people what they know so that they can not only be remembered for the person they are, but also to become a part of a team. Te types don't want to have monopoly on knowledge so that the company doesn't run without them. They do "know their place" in a company; by this I mean they don't strive to be better then the boss, subservience to a degree. They appreciate having the jobs that they like, so they will put their hard hard work into play.
    -
    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    let the Te flow henceforth in this thread. go.

    (pls thx)
    No

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