let the Te flow henceforth in this thread. go.
(pls thx)
Should you come upon a troll at a bridge, I can confirm that a European Song Sparrow weighs 22.5 grams.
ISTp
SLI
Enneagram 5 with a side of wings.
okay, especially welcomed: ive made the decision that i am going to talk to my boss after she gets back from vacation and tell her that i seriously need more shit to do (at the risk of looking disposable, which i'm kinda freaked out about), but until then...well, i idk what to effing do. i've devised more creative and efficient ways to organize my files, my desk is clean as a whistle, my plan for today is to dig through the supplies and take stock of how we are sitting on everything...
any ideas for something to do from those beautifully productive Te brains?
if not, thats cool. just say something. anything. for the love of god, i am bored out of my mind.
I heard it put like this, once upon a time:
the goal is to become invaluable to your boss, such that they can't do anything without you. Know everything they need to know, and have influence over whatever it is they need to do their job. As you gain an increasingly broad and deep understanding of what is going on, and go above and beyond what is 'necessary', you will become more prized in the organization.
...it might be hard if you don't have that much to do right now, but, I'd try to think of things that actually affect the flow of business in a 'real' way -- that is, pointless reorganizing of things might just make you seem ineffectual, clueless, and or obviously nervous. So it's a line between ass-kissing and legitimately trying to demonstrate you're of value.
So, find out what is really important to your boss, and even your boss's boss.
(*sigh* I dislike bosses and office settings...)
thanks, ryu. i think thats useful advice, and it describes my long-term goals pretty well, but thinking in those terms is hard when i'm sitting here with nothing on my desk.
ive found a little project that could be helpful. the previous admin just ordered supplies when they were necessary of various brands. so i've written down everything we have in stock and i'm going to research the cheapest suppliers of each item and make an inventory list to keep track of stuff. this is productive, right? i cant think of anything else to do right now anyway, lol.
my boss seems pretty nice and i dont mind office settings, and i see lots of potential to contribute here...the thing is, she really needs me to take some stuff off her hands, but she's too busy working on said stuff to tell me what i can take, and i'm too new to figure out how i can just butt in and help somehow or something, heh. but...eventually, things should pick up.
ARRRGH. Someone slit my throat, and end the pain! Wow. PLEASE nobody take this advice. You do NOT want to be an invaluable slave to someone else. Your life isn't about a job. The last thing you want to be if you want to live your own life is indispensable. Read a book, use the time to plot where YOU want to go next in life, ask for some other project to work on if you truly must and you're that bored, but a job is just a job. Do it well and don't slack or anything, but when you're done, you're done. Filling time with little tasks and keeping yourself busy isn't actually "productive."
edit: heh, oh wait, you wanted Te. nevermind then.
Actually this is an excellent point too.
But if laghlagh is worried about becoming a disposable employee because she absolutely loves her job, her work environment, her boss, etc or she really realy REALLY needs this job (considering the high unemployment rate nowadays and the real potential of layoffs), what Ryu said is the key I think. Especially if at the moment, you're bored with absolutely nothing to do.
However, this does not mean Laghlagh shouldn't carve out other potential paths in her career in case of a layoff or just for realizing your own potential. In fact i strongly recomment that you do, laghlagh.
I say, check with the boss. If there is really nothing that she can give you at the moment and there are no clear projects that you can recognize to help out with, then rest easy and work on the self-development that squark mentioned.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Thirding this. Taking up some extra responsibility at work is a great way to pass the time (since nothing is more excruciating than watching the clock) and it also staves off the guilt of getting paid to sit around and do nothing but it's important to remember that you're an employee. They're buying your skills and services by giving you a paycheck. If they see your extra effort, which you do as a nicety, and start expecting you to perform to that level all the time, then they can pay you extra for it.
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Well, I don't know how much Te I can give you, but I've been in the same situation at work where I'm not being challenged enough. What's worked for me is coming up with different ideas for how the unit or department can function more efficiently, or ideas for new things for us to look into, and then run it by my boss or boss's boss. It bothers me when somebody complains about something at work, and there's a potentially easy solution, but the person doesn't bother to bring it up to their boss (because they're too scared or something? IDK).
I also "happen to" stop by my boss's boss's office once every few days to "say hi" for a few minutes and then see if I can take anything off his plate. It feels natural and friendly that way.
Also, I'd suggest rising to a level that is sustainable. If you give 150% for a prolonged period of time, but then drop down to 125%, people will look at you like you're only giving 75%.
Shouldn't they look at you like you're giving 83,3 % percent? [here is some autisticfor you
ahah]
I definitely agree. I personally think laghlagh could spend her time trying to learn the basics of a different language, for example. Or learn the basics of a programming language. Or anything which might indirectly boost her life-satisfaction, both on-the-job and in her free time.ARRRGH. Someone slit my throat, and end the pain! Wow. PLEASE nobody take this advice. You do NOT want to be an invaluable slave to someone else. Your life isn't about a job. The last thing you want to be if you want to live your own life is indispensable. Read a book, use the time to plot where YOU want to go next in life, ask for some other project to work on if you truly must and you're that bored, but a job is just a job. Do it well and don't slack or anything, but when you're done, you're done. Filling time with little tasks and keeping yourself busy isn't actually "productive."
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
right. Most of my actual free time at my job I focus on either planning for my future career or figuring out how to get the maximum utility out of the time I'm not obligated to be at work.
Since I'm focusing more on paying bills before grad school with this job, I'm not exactly trying to butter up my boss. I probably put more mental effort into planning for things like grad school and career path and making my life more fulfilling (or even, actually, studying a language) -- or figuring out something fun to do with friends, than the work I'm actually being paid to do.
In a lot of jobs, after so many times of doing it, you have excess mental capacity. Some of my biggest motivation is to get to a point where I could have a career where I'm actually involved in things I like doing, rather than just getting enough money and passing the time.
thanks, this is all good stuff! i especially like the stopping by and saying "hi" idea because i dont want to come across too demanding (ie give me something to do damnit!!!) and i want to frame it as helpfulness, and i think thats a good way.
a lot of the stuff here seems pretty standardized, but i dont see any drawback to throwing a couple of ideas out to see how receptive they are to them.
and ya..the 150 percent, lol. its weird bc the biggest problem at my old job was that i was wayyyy overloaded and it wasnt understood how i wasnt able to avoid overtime, etc. so the change of pace here is HUGE. and i'm not sure whats "normal" and what isnt "normal" and what sort of pace/workload both i and an employer should reasonably expect.
Sounds good.
She will hear you out - [...] -and then, you will hear her out. It only gets better after that. Parcel the things you need to do giving each and one of them a time frame it needs to be completed in. Enjoy!
Yup, sounds good as well.
This thread is productive and efficient in reaching it's goal.
If I post in this thread, then I will have failed to use my time efficiently, given the following factors:
(a) IEI's postulated Te PoLR, which will render my input less than effective;
(b) an ongoing work project that takes priority over the "give me Te" task;
(c) the probable higher value of genuine Te over the pseudo-Te that I have the capacity to offer.
Therefore I propose that Te-valuing members of this forum continue to make an effort to contribute their skills so that the thread will achieve optimum results.
With that disclaimer established, please consider the following actionable statements:
Although laghlagh should seek to fully align and employ her skills set in the work environment, I recommend that she apply Te to maximize results in her private life, as well, with an emphasis on non-work-related needs and goals. These latter are foundational to long-term personal satisfaction and success, without which her job performance may suffer. In place of a job-performance review, we should schedule a leisure-performance review for laghlagh to measure her progress and discuss any further interventions. The review will take place on February 15, 2011, at 3:00 p.m. Any forum members unable to convene in regards to this matter on the proposed date will be required to file their reports in advance. A new thread will be created toward that end as of February 12.
Best,
Golden
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LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Originally Posted by FDG
Lol, this sounds exactly like my LIE dad.
Btw, Ryu and Mountain Dew, you guys are always great to read, thanks!
(NOTE TO SELF: Find your own LSE soon).
EII - Ne
5w6 sp/so/sx
You have lots of Te to offer just think back to all those situations about your x-husband which you admired and thought "boy, that's so much fun and I can really help strengthen my weak function," but that ultimately ended up being unfulfilling.
exactly!!!!!
My mom...Te creative, came over to my new place on the weekend and wanted to see Se (productivity) from me. She looked at a huge pile of paperwork that I was having a hard time organizing (Te) and started to dictate to me what things to do and how. I was just so tired of hearing it. I know she expected that bit of Te output to activate me, like it would do for SEE, but I couldn't do it. I wanted my Te leading type to just take over the work and do it so that would free me to be with people. To take care of the emotional lives of the people around me. I finally asked her to please take charge or the lead on the organization herself and she began to work.
One mature LSE that I've met, wanted nothing to do with Fi; when his friend called about some troubles, he pushed the phone to me saying "please talk to this person, you can offer what I don't care to deal with."......Fi and psychotherapy, for hours.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I'm surprised that B&D forgot about this thread.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=23265
It is very ineffiecient to have duplicate threads about the same topic when the topic has not changed due to time. However, I believe inserting this link here will bring the old thread and the new thread together sufficiently.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
http://the16types.info/vbulletin/sho...7&postcount=24
Hooooly Shee-it! PoLR or no, this has to be one the most amusingly moving things I've yet read!
His arm isn't 45 degrees to his jacket, his pants need to to be ironed and starched more, and his face is asymmetrical. I would like to replace this picture with a perfect representation of Te.
There, that is orderly and organized, unlike that flawed heap of garbage-on-legs you posted.
Perfect<------------------------------------------------------------------------------>Loops and Tings
Ambivert / Aggressor / Trailblazer / Nomad / Alpha Caretaker / Free Spirit / Kevlar Speed Demon / Ninja
heh, word.i hate feeling that way.
a lot of stuff you said in this thread resonated a lot. especially about your employer not being your friend. i mean, i don't think of myself as naive, and as a reasonable person i understand the nature of a business relationship...but when circumstances have risen which have shown that i'm more like a tool than a person in the workplace, i've still been kind of blindsided. i think that keeping an objective - and impersonal, i guess - outlook is sort of essential for self-preservation, but it really doesnt come naturally to me and being reminded that maintaining that distance is "ok" is nice.
and thanks for the quotes.i especially like the patton one.
idk about Te, but this was fun to read, lol. you do a lot of business writing?
do you mean me?
creating threads is just more effective at staving off boredom than reading old ones. sorry for the redundancy.
I guess I'm not that great at self-preservation *looks at E-stacking*, but it seems to work all right for me. I've only had 2 (steady, long-term) jobs in my 24 years of life so far, and I've become friends with both of the bosses. My first one--I'd go over her place for dinner, I'd house-sit for her, I'd babysit her cat. It really didn't feel weird. We were honestly friends, LOL. My current boss is a male, so it's a bit different, but we're still kinda friends. Effusively kind words that you wouldn't expect from a boss (nothing creepy), sharing of private information, gossiping (haha), and even hugs during tough times aren't uncommon, as weird as that may sound.
Blah blah blah, efficiency, effectiveness, rationale, sense (i.e. the sense in doing something), expedience .What are you trying to accomplish? What you wrote was really pointless, it achieved nothing. You don't know what you are talking about. In fact, I think you are just talking out of thin air. Where's the evidence for this statement?This thread is productive and efficient in reaching it's goal.related words:
- productive, rational, justified, unjustified
- movement, motion, speed, acceleration, displacement, rotation
- production, work
- algorithm, calculation
- profit, finance, market
- management, administration
- diligence, industriousness, industry, conscientiousness
- confirm, substantiate, prove, verify, support, test, double check, refute, disprove, debunk
- information source
- factual, reliable, confirmed, observed, unreliable, unconfirmed, hypothetical, unverified
related statements (real-life only, please)
- It provides both usefulness and a way to double-check...
- What are you trying to accomplish?
- What you did was really pointless, it achieved nothing.
- Where's the evidence for this statement?
- I'm still planning on applying within the next couple of weeks.
- How often do you use the ATM?
- you might get more value for your money with...
- I don't... {do something} enough to justify the extra expense
- take advantage of this opportunity you are providing
- You'll be able to lift it easier if you move your hands further apart.
- I have read several books on that subject.
- This is confirmed by all the available evidence.
- You are just talking out of thin air.
- You don't know what you are talking about.
- Get a clue.
- I am just so sick of people's incompetence.
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Wait a sec... Te vocabulary as per wikisocion ain't no bloody Te. Oops. Well, if anyone thinks otherwise: hello, cuckoo, wake up!!
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Um.. get a job.give me Te
"And you're always telling me that it's my turn to move, when I wonder what could make the needle jump the groove."
"I won't fall for the oldest trick in the book, so don't sit there and think you're off of the hook- by saying there is no use changing, because that's just what you are."
"It's not like you would lose some critical piece if somehow you moved point A to point B, maintaining there is no point changing because that's just what you are."
"And I could talk to you till I'm blue in the face, but we'd still would arrive at the very same place. With you running around, and me out of the race."
"So maybe you're right, nobody can take- something older than time, and hope it could make it better. That would be a mistake. So take it just so far. 'Cause that's just what you are."
Exactly, they love to teach people what they know so that they can not only be remembered for the person they are, but also to become a part of a team. Te types don't want to have monopoly on knowledge so that the company doesn't run without them. They do "know their place" in a company; by this I mean they don't strive to be better then the boss, subservience to a degree. They appreciate having the jobs that they like, so they will put their hard hard work into play.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html