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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei
    I rely entirely on what Socionics IM elements are defined by the creators of Socionics as being.
    Any sources you'd like to note?

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    It's not my fault that you think all human behavior is universal...
    I don't see why it's not, and I don't see why you think it's not. The human brain is a very malleable thing: given the circumstance (childhood experiences, religious beliefs, culture, etc), any type should be capable of doing anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Any sources you'd like to note?
    Augusta, the creator of Socionics. I am curious, where does your understanding of Socionics elements arise, if you consider everything malleable? Such radical malleability is, in fact, inconsistent with the original Socionics model - Model A, which classical Socionics uses.

    I don't see why it's not, and I don't see why you think it's not. The human brain is a very malleable thing: given the circumstance (childhood experiences, religious beliefs, culture, etc), any type should be capable of doing anything.
    The science of genetics has disproven that humans are born tabula rasa, and proves that some determinants of behavior like intelligence are to some degree genetic in nature.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor DarkAngelFireWolf69, Dmitri Lytov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    My point precisely, thank you for agreeing with me. He was not looking for relaxation, he was merely looking for escape. And he found it. Ergo, Hakuna Matata is not type-related, and not a valid argument towards him being IEE.
    Wait what?


    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei
    Simba was most definitely not relaxed. Simba's attitude as a kid: WOOHOO! I'M GONNA BE KING, AND ZAZU WILL BE MY BITCH! LET'S GO RUSH INTO THE ELEPHANT GRAVEYARD, NALA!

    That is not relaxation. That is being high on cocaine.
    That is called "being a kid" and "being an extrovert." Physical relaxation and emotional relaxation are two very different things, I can't tell which one you're talking about.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei
    Ni:
    lol wtf that's one of the worse descriptions of Ni I've ever read.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei
    Naturally all people have memory, and indeed all people have somewhere in their psyche, but some people prefer it -- and/or are more adept at it -- more than others. hence types are differentiated. An valuing type, racked with guilt and looking to escape it all as he was, would simply block the pain out and enjoy the moment, as Pumbaa and Timon were doing. He couldn't.
    / valuers aren't repressive by nature. That's a difference of personality and not type. Again, please brush up what it means to be a normal human being.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei
    Now who's ascribing nonexistent stereotypes to a type? Confrontation is not an exclusively 8 phenomenon, even if 8 is the most confrontational of all types. 8 is defined, nothing more and nothing less, by a desire to not be controlled. Mufasa did not seem to display such a desire, and did on the other hand gush forth about his perfect, beautiful kingdom.
    He never "expressed" that desire because he never felt that anything was really threatening it.

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    Pray tell then, what is Fe?
    An understanding of things in the world as containing discrete, internal, subjective characteristics that are constantly changing and in flux.


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    Augusta obviously disagrees. I agree with Augusta.
    When did Augusta suggest anything like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton2 View Post
    That isn't what the link said, you're just adulterating it with your own bullshit.
    How am I adulterating it? It very explicitly relates Ni to passage of time and correlating past and present. It says that. If Ni is correlated with perception of time past, as the site says, then an Ni-ego will certainly focus more on that, given their focus on Ni.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor DarkAngelFireWolf69, Dmitri Lytov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    How am I adulterating it? It very explicitly relates Ni to passage of time and correlating past and present. It says that. If Ni is correlated with perception of time past, as the site says, then an Ni-ego will certainly focus more on that, given their focus on Ni.
    Relating to something doesn't mean being an exact definition. That's like saying the number of cars you own is the same as yearly income simply due to them being "related to each other."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Relating to something doesn't mean being an exact definition. That's like saying red is the same as green because they're both colors.
    The link explicitly states that time perception is Ni. Did you actually read it?
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor DarkAngelFireWolf69, Dmitri Lytov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    The link explicitly states that time perception is Ni. Did you actually read it?
    It doesn't state that Ni is all perception of time in general; any type is capable of this to some degree. Rather, Ni is a specific kind of time perception, one in which the passage of time is felt on a very personal and very subjective level.

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