some of these old discussions are very good and i'd rather not create redundant threads with the same question.Originally Posted by mfckr
some of these old discussions are very good and i'd rather not create redundant threads with the same question.
I've known a few of those and I don't think I would want to be one.
I've love to have one as my trusted advisor, however. If a social five could be corralled into such a thing...
I'd be happy to cuddle with one as well; they need it badly I believe.
why not, what were they like? I didn't mean exactly on a personal/intimate level. SO fives and the sp/so have it the easiest in being successful, there's a lot of emphasis placed on fructifying their competences into a form of group identity. They are hardly ever 'distracted' by other kinds of imperative urges and their accomplishment depends less on how they subjectively relate to an activity (for the sx first knowing that something would be good career-wise doesn't necessarily equal feeling a draw to that from your bone marrow). I cannot tell right now if I know such a type personally (I probably do though, the world of institutionalized education should be full of them). Only one EII E5 sx/so comes to my mind now.
Last edited by Amber; 05-20-2014 at 02:45 PM.
Hmm. The ones I've known have been pretty humanitarian/ generally well-meaning, and really bent on making a contribution. I think the social instinct really stifles them in terms of self-expression b/c it makes them care how they come across to people (then again, fives are stifled in general lol.) So it can be this need to connect coupled with this inner block against connecting, although I see that in myself too. Sometimes they are nice/charming but like a little removed, I really agree that the so-instinct will resemble a "head" quality to begin with (scanning the environment for connections and power structures, trying to make sense of global inter-connectivity), so it's like double head-ness. So basically, wanting to access the warmth of humanity, but in a sense getting in their own way on a basic daily level sometimes.
I can see that! My so/sp five friend that I just spent time with is soooo competent although she doesn't feel that way. Sp/so just seems very steady, usually. I've sure there are some misanthropic ones too though, that have gone by the wayside.
[Edit: and by "inner block" I mean "outer block," in a way. I was just thinking about this the other day... the so-instinct block is like this surface shell that nothing passes though easily, giving a person an illusion of possessing a strong center when in fact they may or may not, whereas the sp-instinct block is more like a separate locus.)
Last edited by lemontrees; 05-20-2014 at 12:12 PM.
sounds like Ni-seeking. I've always seen you as _LE (with a bent towards ILE)
I wish I had a higher level of emotional intelligence: even though my level of empathy is standard, it’s anguishing when you understand or foresee something wrong in a relationship or during a social interaction and you have no idea how to act promptly to solve the problem or, at least, make the situation less unpleasant.
I would want to be able to maintain and deepen friendships, since I always do my best to be as helpful and thoughtful as I can in relationships but at the end I feel I can’t get close to anyone and everything seems awkward.
I’d also want to become someone who is able to contribute to others’ psychological, spiritual and emotional needs.
I never want to loose any optimism, the energy that goes through to me and makes me push through and go forward. I think that this balances my other side. I like the lighter, calm, centered side of me better, but sometimes it feels like I accumulate something in myself and this causes friction inside. I have learned to dissolve these condensed feelings through connecting with things that can somehow.
Music, books, film, that impact me and open up some place inside of me and... make me feel freer afterwards. Writing sth. that goes round in my mind can help, too. I also never want to loose contact with the people close to me, who can bring out this lighter side. If I think of creating myself, what I wish to be like, I think of myself with carrying this strong energy that can take on everything, push through everything in life. I want to be really happy and never loose contact with this calm, grounded energy in my gut.
Because this energy just makes me believing, that I’m capable, that whatever else... I feel grounded in myself and can take everything on, while just being happy in myself. Feeling like I’m bursting from energy and just making people laugh and happy and feeling more free and flowing this way.
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-Neurotypical
-Se-LSI, Fe-IEI or Ni-EIE, contra-flow enneastack
-IQ of 120-129
-6'2.5" with a 22 inch frame (bideltoid), albeit somewhat lithe (smth like guy on the right: http://i61.tinypic.com/2ro44le.jpg)
-24 inch cranial circumference
-Similar phenotype as the one I have now but at least 4 points better-looking
I want to be a magician, seer, mentor, puppetmaster, mover behind the scenes, dramatic lover and enigmatic source of stories and legends. I want to be above and beyond all limits, transcending them or ignoring them. I want to be around some promising figure in history and help him/her shape the world by scheming where he/she cannot act in glory. If that all fails I just want a leisure life with not much stress or work
Pretty much the way I am now just not as coped up and in the dumps as much.
i wouldn't want to share most of this (much of things i want to be, i keep to myself), but maybe if i say what i'm about to just to have it stated, i'll somehow feel accountable.
i would really like to be more capable and to not have to struggle so much to accomplish certain tasks. i suppose i should try to list the sorts of "tasks" involved.
- personal hygiene/self-care (it's difficult for me to keep up with this)
- keeping my apt clean (of trash, recycling, food, dishes)
- keeping up with laundry
- remaining organized (with my papers and time commitments) - both home and work
- spending less money on food by cooking sometimes, or using simple plans
- being able to find work emails more easily
- keeping track of the long parade of little things i have to do *and actually doing them* <--fear/dread
- pushing myself to delegate more at work <--fear
- acquiring more knowledge about managing finances (actually bothering to pay attention to finances)
- actually doing something to look into different jobs (like *applying for them* or following through with attending lectures)
- working on resume and other "professional issues"
- (overall, mainly developing the capacity to manage all these routine and "practical" things and to develop confidence so that i feel capable <--for this i need a source of inspiration, as i don't really care about most of these things for their own sake)
maybe i'll edit this later as none of it really clears up what i would have to actually do (and what would need to be sacrificed). it doesn't address what is wrong that has caused these areas of my life to crash. it also doesn't provide strategies or touchstones or anything.
mainly, i'm losing my ability to manage these things... dreams are nearly impossible to reach if i can't handle the nuts and bolts at all... i risk losing my independence.
Chocolate on the outside, vanilla ice cream and marshmallow on the inside, covered by the chocolate
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I see you are really struggling right now and I feel weird even bringing up what I can relate to on your list. I just want to tell myself to suck it up and do it when I read what you are going through. I hardly have reason to complain and I feel almost lazy in comparison even though I do struggle with some things mentally in relation to this stuff.
I think some of the things you mention can be directly related to clinical depression. I am not depressed at the moment. I have been sick but I am feeling better so I have more motivation than usual. I even pulled curtains down and washed them. It was a pain in the ass but someone has to do it and I know just how much I can ask of others before they get annoyed. I try to take advantage of every day I wake up energetic. There are millions of people struggling with the same things on your list and ideally there would be readily available resources to help people in these situations. I find when I am in a bad place the last thing I want to do is look for help. It is exhausting and another chore to add to the list. Anyway, it is not easy when you are already overwhelmed to find a way through. I have been lucky because I have family who often take the initiative to get me help when I am overwhelmed. I hope you have someone around who you can talk to and let them know what is happening. I know it can be embarrassing to say all this to someone who has no idea what is actually going on inside you.
The things on your list I can relate to are:
- keeping up with laundry <-- My fault. I own more clothes than I should. It is not the actual washing that is the chore for me. It is putting it away. I have bought organizers and special hangers... then I use a couple and get discouraged again. I need to just give away half my clothes and it will make it manageable again. I am constantly rewashing and drying clothes to get the wrinkles out because I didn't fold or hang right away.
- remaining organized (with my papers and time commitments) - both home and work < --I try to keep organized but I end up throwing things into a plastic box and putting a lid on it, moving it out of sight, until I have to pull everything out to find one thing. I have older stuff that is organized and obsolete. I need to throw it all out and put more recent things in those files. I also need to organize files on my computer so I can find what I need without searching frantically when it is something important. I used to name things unrelated to content so now I just randomly open files that look strange and rename them when I feel a desire to organize. It is still overwhelming. I have most of my music properly tagged now but it took years.
- spending less money on food by cooking sometimes, or using simple plans <-- I probably spend way too much eating out. I have never liked cooking and I do not intend to make myself do it, other than when the mood strikes me. There are foods that are pretty easy to make without a lot of preparation and those foods are way less expensive than eating out a few times a week.
- being able to find work emails more easily <-- My email accounts are beyond anything I can keep up with. Thousands of unread messages. Now I try to delete stuff once a month. I will do a mass delete only after searching for specific things first. I recently added color coded names so I can recognize what is important. I have gone months without checking any of my email accounts and the result is, I want to scream or cry when I finally look. I am ready to let most of the go. I don't even use them and they are basically spam depositories with random emails I might need. I don't need the accounts since I could easily direct anyone who still uses them to send to another account but some hold some kind of sentimental value. I have emails from people I no longer talk to. It is going to take a long time to get things sorted so I put it off.
- keeping track of the long parade of little things i have to do *and actually doing them* <-- yeah it's the little things that I put off until I have to deal with them one way or another. It might be as simple as me deciding they are not worth the stress.
I have no problem delegating though which is probably why my life is not a total mess right now. If I know I can't get something done I will ask someone else to help me. I do have a bad habit of not checking my bank statements for months at a time but thankfully I usually have more in my accounts than I think. I always underestimate my balance so I am not that surprised when it is higher. It is one of my mind tricks, like when I overestimate the prices of things in a budget so I always have more money left. I do my own taxes and things like that and the only problem I have with it is getting started. Once it is done I feel relieved and the stress is gone. I have a bill to pay by the 26th this month and I just can't make myself pay it yet. It is not even that hard to take care of. Just one phone call but the idea of calling customer service gives me a headache and they do not take online payments. Making important phone calls and having to deal with a human is worse than a couple clicks. I am the opposite of my friend who prefers talking to customer service and wants that direct communication to make sure everything is ok.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I want to continue to be an oversensitive effeminate ****** that pisses off other gay men by being a typical FAG and not like the hypermasculine war hero they want to sleep with. I want to continue to get on ppl's nerves, but in a semi-loving way. Hell, maybe sometimes I really do just wanna be hated. Like u can stop it all anyway.
I wanna continue to be me, because what else can I be? You can try awkwardly to 'be more' , to be somebody else but at the end of the day as Giles said " we all are who we are, no matter how much we appeared to have changed."
I am truck. Loving, kind, insecure, pathetic, adorable, wise, hard-worker and lazy.
You know that you want to be a chocolate sandwich like me
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I have quite realistic goals: if I had my way, I would be lying in a hammoc in the garden, smoking weed and watching cumshot porn all day long, while playing with my dick.
But there are a few problems: after two days, the weed no longer has an effect on me, and in my country it rains too often. Bummer...
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Shoot Heroin in solarium?
Does heroin work as an afrodisiac? I mean, nothing feels as good as an orgasm when on weed. It makes me feel like I'm a giant dick (pun intended)Shoot Heroin in solarium?
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Only if you want a good mindfuck.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
On the internet I've read heroine works similar to morphine. I had a surgery two years ago and woke up under the influence of morphine, which was quite a pleasant way of coming out of anesthesia. It was cool, but it's not the thrill I'm looking for.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
I want to be what I will be, anything more is silly.
IEI-Ni, DCNH-H, 4w5-9w1-5w4, sx/sp, Aquarius sun, Leo rising
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"From their lives, and not least from their greatest fault--their inability to communicate--we may understand one of the greatest errors of our civilization, that is, the superstitious belief in verbal statements, the boundless overestimation of instruction by means of words and methods."--C.G. Jung on the introverted irrational types
True indeed
IEI-Ni, DCNH-H, 4w5-9w1-5w4, sx/sp, Aquarius sun, Leo rising
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"From their lives, and not least from their greatest fault--their inability to communicate--we may understand one of the greatest errors of our civilization, that is, the superstitious belief in verbal statements, the boundless overestimation of instruction by means of words and methods."--C.G. Jung on the introverted irrational types
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