You can be an introvert or self-conscious extrovert ... do not you guys read up?Originally Posted by Nicky
So I'm the most introverted person here?
Higher scores do point towards introversion and lower scores extroversion, but not always ... the age of a person and their experiences in life is also a factor in it, but not completely. It still coorelates to a certain degree.
Actually, I should probably mention that 'samskara' in concept may have had more to do with influencing Jungian typology than most, people who have a specific personality type and tendencies based on the experiences of a past life. Jung may have been attempting to make a system that explained the law of karma fully as the consequences of good and bad actions, and how to maximize a persons ability to reach enlightenment.
http://www.deekaypages.com/samskara/default.htm
Samskara
'Samskara' is a Sanskrit word, which means to improve, to purify, to refine and to make perfect. In short, the process by which all impurities in man are removed and positive qualities are developed is known as Samskara. It may be called a sacrament rather than a religious rite or ceremony. The number and methods of Samskaras are discussed in the 'Gruhya Suthras'. Samskaras are popularly known to be 16 in number as in the word 'Shodasha Samskara.'
Garbhadana, Pumsavana, Seemanthonnayana, Jathakarma, Namakarana, Nishkramana, Annaprashana, Karna Vedhana, Choodakarma (Chowla), Upanayana, Mahanamni, Mahavratha, Upanishadvratha, Godana, Samavarthana and Vivaha - are the 16 Samskaras. Out of these, first eight sacraments are to remove impurities in man caused by the womb and the semen. The next seven rites are to acquire knowledge, these uplift the soul to the spiritual level also. The last one, Vivaha (wedding) or the marriage ceremony makes a man perfect by filling the lacking-portion.
http://www.commsp.ee.ic.ac.uk/~panch...0Samskaras.pdf
This one is a good one. Note the phrase: "The variety of rites and rituals related to the samskaras help in the formation and development of personality."
And the award for "going most off-topic in a thread" is awarded to.....
nevermind
Remember to keep things simple and not any simpler like Einstein once said.
I am actually more on topic than most, just many do not know enough about the theories and beliefs to comment or even care to know enough for that matter unfortunatelly.And the award for "going most off-topic in a thread" is awarded to.....
nevermind
true, i should have never made a correlation towards introversion/extroversion.
Locus of control seems to me to relate with an assertive--|--unassertive dichotomy towards others. In fact when it comes to a person's so-called "friends" influencing you, i find this quote quite relevant:
- "It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but even more to stand up to your friends." - J. K. Rowling
From the friend who calls in excitement about his newly received *whatever* to the friend who instant messages you with news of his cooking achievement or the friend who checks up on your progress. It would seem to me that certain "friends" need to be put in their place otherwise I don't get a chance to live for myself.
Remember to keep things simple and not any simpler like Einstein once said.
The number 16 is 2^4. You're not going to connect all the things that contain that number to the 16 socionics types, right?
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
No, it does correlate with introversion and extroversion in that it has to do with degrees of self-awareness, it seems to me just that locus of control is more like a measure of the kind of freedom one has over his or her life and extroversion and introversion is more of a measure of the degree.
How many more of these hints to I have to hand out? Scroll down to Jung ...
The number 16 is 2^4. You're not going to connect all the things that contain that number to the 16 socionics types, right?
http://www.atributetohinduism.com/quotes61_80.htm
To quote from the novel Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand:
- "I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." — John Galt
Introspection in the sense of looking within for the answers to life's problems would seem to correlate with the notion that an internal locus approximates with "being one's own boss" which I don't wish to generalise to introverted types since we should discuss the likelihood of this attitude in each of the 16 types.
Remember to keep things simple and not any simpler like Einstein once said.
Jung in Psychological Types examines Indian Philosophy from a psychological perspective in glowing terms. His theories have some intuitively and aesthetically resonant qualities. Simple but precise and partially derived from Indian Thought:How many more of these hints to I have to hand out? Scroll down to Jung ...
The number 16 is 2^4. You're not going to connect all the things that contain that number to the 16 socionics types, right?
http://www.atributetohinduism.com/quotes61_80.htm
I've cut the BS that is written after this, that partially is all that was needed to refute your position.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
"Being one's own boss" is a deceptive definition, because it is ignoring the fact that chief characteristic of someone with a inner locus of control has a natural awareness of right and wrong, and maximization of a persons ability to do natural right and naturally avoid the wrong. This also requires an ability towards high self-control and reservation towards those who promote bad karma, and will seek good karma. Someone with a high locus of control may typically spend his or her time following "crowds" of people who often tend to encourage bad karma, and have a harder time finding enlightenment.
A disability to see things from the point of view of others and to misunderstand the importance of a proper understanding of the philosophy behing philosophy is not a refutation, it is something else and not a very good something for that cause.Jung in Psychological Types examines Indian Philosophy from a psychological perspective in glowing terms. His theories have some intuitively and aesthetically resonant qualities. Simple but precise and partially derived from Indian Thought:How many more of these hints to I have to hand out? Scroll down to Jung ...
The number 16 is 2^4. You're not going to connect all the things that contain that number to the 16 socionics types, right?
http://www.atributetohinduism.com/quotes61_80.htm
I've cut the BS that is written after this, that partially is all that was needed to refute your position.
Non sequitur."Being one's own boss" is a deceptive definition, because it is ignoring the fact that chief characteristic of someone with a inner locus of control has a natural awareness of right and wrong
As above. You're not justifying the claim.and maximization of a persons ability to do natural right and naturally avoid the wrong
How does this correlate with E or I is still totally unclear.This also requires an ability towards high self-control and reservation towards those who promote bad karma, and will seek good karma. Someone with a high locus of control may typically spend his or her time following "crowds" of people who often tend to encourage bad karma, and have a harder time finding enlightenment.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
The 16 types that stem from coupling the Jung's descriptions of functions are not particularly and significantly related with the 16 samskara. That's all.A disability to see things from the point of view of others and to misunderstand the importance of a proper understanding of the philosophy behing philosophy is not a refutation, it is something else and not a very good something for that cause.Jung in Psychological Types examines Indian Philosophy from a psychological perspective in glowing terms. His theories have some intuitively and aesthetically resonant qualities. Simple but precise and partially derived from Indian Thought:How many more of these hints to I have to hand out? Scroll down to Jung ...
The number 16 is 2^4. You're not going to connect all the things that contain that number to the 16 socionics types, right?
http://www.atributetohinduism.com/quotes61_80.htm
I've cut the BS that is written after this, that partially is all that was needed to refute your position.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
It is hard to understand from someone who comes from a Western viewpoint that in Eastern tradition and Culture it is Introversion that is prized above Extroversion, In Western culture it is flipped in that it is Extroversion that is prized over Introversion. This has to do with Eastern societies tending to be moral ones and Western societies tending to be amoral ones.Non sequitur."Being one's own boss" is a deceptive definition, because it is ignoring the fact that chief characteristic of someone with a inner locus of control has a natural awareness of right and wrong
As above. You're not justifying the claim.and maximization of a persons ability to do natural right and naturally avoid the wrong
How does this correlate with E or I is still totally unclear.This also requires an ability towards high self-control and reservation towards those who promote bad karma, and will seek good karma. Someone with a high locus of control may typically spend his or her time following "crowds" of people who often tend to encourage bad karma, and have a harder time finding enlightenment.
Again, this doesn't explain ANYTHING! And you're adding value judgments, that make the whole thing even more unclear. You mean that E is less moral? It could be, but why?It is hard to understand from someone who comes from a Western viewpoint that in Eastern tradition and Culture it is Introversion that is prized above Extroversion, In Western culture it is flipped it is Extroversion that is prized over Introversion. This has to do with Eastern societies tending to be moral ones and Western societies tending to be amoral ones.Non sequitur."Being one's own boss" is a deceptive definition, because it is ignoring the fact that chief characteristic of someone with a inner locus of control has a natural awareness of right and wrong
As above. You're not justifying the claim.and maximization of a persons ability to do natural right and naturally avoid the wrong
How does this correlate with E or I is still totally unclear.This also requires an ability towards high self-control and reservation towards those who promote bad karma, and will seek good karma. Someone with a high locus of control may typically spend his or her time following "crowds" of people who often tend to encourage bad karma, and have a harder time finding enlightenment.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Good ... glad you've finally come to a conclusion that is neither right or wrong.
It explains everything, you just don't get it is all ... I'd continue, but the liklihood is that you'd just reply with more argumentation and continue to miss points detremental to understanding the principle.Again, this doesn't explain ANYTHING! And you're adding value judgments, that make the whole thing even more unclear. You mean that E is less moral? It could be, but why?It is hard to understand from someone who comes from a Western viewpoint that in Eastern tradition and Culture it is Introversion that is prized above Extroversion, In Western culture it is flipped it is Extroversion that is prized over Introversion. This has to do with Eastern societies tending to be moral ones and Western societies tending to be amoral ones.Non sequitur."Being one's own boss" is a deceptive definition, because it is ignoring the fact that chief characteristic of someone with a inner locus of control has a natural awareness of right and wrong
As above. You're not justifying the claim.and maximization of a persons ability to do natural right and naturally avoid the wrong
How does this correlate with E or I is still totally unclear.This also requires an ability towards high self-control and reservation towards those who promote bad karma, and will seek good karma. Someone with a high locus of control may typically spend his or her time following "crowds" of people who often tend to encourage bad karma, and have a harder time finding enlightenment.
Not that this helps any, but, mcnew...I couldn't even figure out what you were attempting to support.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
I am not really supporting anything, just explaining where everything came from; the problem is that not everyone knows enough about Eastern and Western philosophy to follow and others like FDG misunderstand and respond with weird out-of-place arguments like they are trying to refute some invisible enemy or something.
Anyhow, I wasn't saying that extroversion is amoral, I was saying western societies are typically amoral and value extroverted tendencies over introverted ones. Eastern societies are typically moral and value introverted tendencies over extroverted ones.
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ENTj - intuitive subtype - 8w9, sp/sx
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