lol, of course it was a sweeping hyperbole. I don't expect all Deltas to love Disney Renaissance films, and I expect lots of people from all other types to identify with them. It's just that Disney tends to have a thematically Delta streak (Walt Disney was ENFp, so I'm sure he set some sort of precedent in that regard).
Also I was just joking when I said "get out"
Hmm, you may be right. I'm just going off of gut reactions to his character, but I guess ISFp could also work.
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Peter Pan-- ENTp (I know I suggested ESTp before, but after watching the movie with my son this weekend, I am changing my mind)
Tinkerbell-- ISFj (female Aggressor style, in any case)
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Double post. I hate my phone so much.
I could accept Pan as a caricature of ILE. He is extraordinarily infantile. He doesn't want to grow up. He doesn't seem to perceive women as sexual beings; he just wants a mother. He is also the embodiment of the dark side of innocence. He doesn't do heartless, "bad" things because he is malicious; he does them because it's funny or interesting, etc. With this being said, I have never seen the play nor read the book, so I'm going off what others have seen in them. And I just realized I'm going on about the non-Disney version. *facepalm* If that one matches what I described above, then I could see it. ^.^;
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
...but break my heart for I must hold my tongue.
I like a lot of your typings Poli. I personally think INTj Jafar is worth considering. I mean, he certainly seeks power, but I don't think power seeking is necessarily beta automatically. Alphas can be ambitious. I quite like ISTp Philoctetes, as well as SLE Timon (although I suspect that EIE would end up being a better typing). ESE Sultan is a definite yes in my book. I personally think the Genie is ESE as well.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
I'm not sure I've observed any Gammas in Disney lol. The lackeys/sidekicks tend to just be Alphas from what I've seen: Genie, Timon, Pumbaa, etc.
Alice in Wonderland strikes me as a bit of an out-lier to me tbh. It just seems like a general Ne hodgepodge of uh, stuff. Any semblance of J functions seem to be replaced with more Ne lol.
Also I'm in total support of Rafiki being Ne-INFj.
UNDENIABLY the best example of an SEI in Disney has got to be Chien Po from Mulan. Yao is also a good example of an SLE and Ling ILE.
I think Alice is probably either INFj or ENFp, going off memory. Saw the movie a long time ago, but it seems right.
Wow, Poli.
I'd almost forgotten about this thread...
Anyway, I like the above two typings. Especially Snow White (Cinderella might be ESI, though).
My SEI sister-in-law reminds me of Snow White, all smiles and cheerfulness as she goes about her chores, seemingly in love with everyone and everything. It sounds sickening the way I'm describing it, but really it's a rather contagious attitude when I'm around her.
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– Arthur Schopenhauer
Lets talk about Cars. That's a favorite in this house.
I love Disney movies!
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Just watched beauty and the beast again and noticed I haven't added anything to this thread..
Belle is kind of typeless because she has no character flaws, but she seems like an IEI. I also think that having no character flaws is partially the reason so many types identify with her, as we are only getting a superficial view of her.
this part really doesn't seem like something an Fi base would wish for. It seems Se seeking, plus being beta and wanting to be away from the delta town she is in. I think if she were Fi leading, she wouldn't have a problem with this lifestyle. I also don't think she supervises her father.Me, the wife of that boorish, brainless . . .
"Madame Gaston!"
Can't you just see it?
"Madame Gaston!"
His "little wife", ugh! No sir!
Not me, I guarantee it
I want much more than this provincial life!
I want adventure in the great wide somewhere
I want it more than I can tell
And for once it might be grand
To have someone understand
I want so much more than they've got planned
imo, the whole movie is beta's view of delta, but it's not obvious enough for deltas to dislike it. It also shows a preference for Ni Se over Ne Si, as Belle's ILE father is this wacky, clumsy inventor, and Mrs. Potts being the stereotypical ESE kind of overbearing mother. (she could also be SEI I suppose but I lean towards ESE) All of the other/main protagonists are beta - Belle, Beast, Lumiere, Cogsworth, and Chip. It makes sense for this to be seen from a beta perspective, with an IEI who is bored of the small town she lives in, frequently escaping and becoming enthralled by the stories she reads. Then because of the events that took place, she finds herself in a magic castle with talking household items. (ahem, 4 much?) The only problem being the beast, as he is keeping her prisoner and she is unable to see her father (and of course he's also very hot tempered).
SIDE NOTE!
The most questionable of the betas being belle and the beast, but why would the beast surround himself with Fe Ti types exclusively? He listens to their advice on how to advance the relationship with Belle.. I just really don't see an SLI listening to his quasi, conflictor, and supervisor on such matters, or choosing to keep these types as his only company. And the same goes for him being LSE, but instead it's his contrary, superego, and business.
/end side note
Lumiere - EIE
Cogsworth - LSI
These two definitely fit the Beta rational duality that some here have experienced or witnessed. Lumiere is almost the star of the show it seems lol. Be Our Guest seems like a showy beta song too. Also note the beta views of alpha when maurice came in the castle acting all careless and everything - I don't remember what he did to lumiere but I remember him twisting the crown behind cogsworth lol
Chip - IEI. I think he is Belle's identical, as he looks up to her, and was so upset about her leaving that he secretly came with when she left to see her father. And he possibly supervises his mom.. Not that it's very visible because he's so young but it was just a vague impression that he didn't take his mom very seriously when she reprimanded him.. Mostly I just think he's Belle's identical because of what I said before, and because he's obviously Fe creative.. SEI isn't totally ruled out but I doubt it.
Gaston - I'm surprised (well, kind of) at how few people here realize that this is how unhealthy LSEs act. The entire town is like deltaland and he's their hero and Belle is the only one who sees through him. Gaston is small minded and chauvinistic, which is how many LSEs can be - especially in the eyes of their conflictor.
Le Fou - IEE. Lets gaston walk all over him.. I would say EII because of that but he seems EP, especially Ne base.
Beast - beta ST
I'm going to add some quotes in and finish this later, I'm tired lol