Results 1 to 40 of 63

Thread: Beauty and the Beast

Threaded View

  1. #22
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    So I would say that while everything you said is true of the prologue, the Beast we see in the rest of the movie is simply a different person.
    Actually I'm saying he is the same person, however, in enneagram terms the beast goes from being an unhealthy 3 to an unhealthy 4. The character shift that occurs is e3 -> e4, he goes from being a heartless narcissistic prince to a withdrawn self-ashamed beast. I mean the literal beast thing and stuff is just there for the kids, but the actual plotline or story arc of the beast's character is concerning a 3 to 4 heartfix shift. The beast is basically an unhealthy 4. Here are the quotes from 4 - Enneagram Type Four: The Individualist on unhealthy 4's.

    Quote Originally Posted by unhealthy 4
    Level 7: When dreams fail, become self-inhibiting and angry at self, depressed and alienated from self and others, blocked and emotionally paralyzed. Ashamed of self, fatigued and unable to function.

    Level 8: Tormented by delusional self-contempt, self-reproaches, self-hatred, and morbid thoughts: everything is a source of torment. Blaming others, they drive away anyone who tries to help them.
    belle by contrast is an e2 heartfix, trying to help him out and his attitude is reproachful, aloof, and self-loathing. Thinking and instinctual characteristic play very little in the disney story, the story arc is mainly feel good fairy tale stuff inject with disney animation, musicals, and kid friendly characters.

    The reason I object to e8 is mainly because the e8 is a lot more practical, action oriented, body fixated, and extroverted. A typical 8 wouldn't be in a castle all emo and aloof and upset for no reason, a typical e8 would be productive and out making connections and trying to make stuff happen in a practical action oriented way. e8's rarely get all emotional, they tend to be more instinctive and bodily centered than introspective, soul-searching, or contemplative. Their orientation is outward, involved in the action, and less focused inward.

    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    The prologue is basically straight from the fairytale.
    Yea I looked up the story on wikipedia, apparently it came from a french story that was written sometime between the medevial age and the modern era. Apparently in that story, there are some differences, but the basic concept is the same that is presented in the prologue.

    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    The beast character we see in the rest of the movie is the character Disney made up, who is totally different, just like Ariel is (slightly) less spoiled than the Ariel in the fairytale, and Hades is more jocular than he is portrayed in Greek mythology, and Esmerelda is less stupid than in the book.
    Yea there is a lot of disneying in the story, like there is no candlestick and teapot character, those are the typical fun kid friendly characters. Then there is no musical stuff. Second of all there is no gaston in the original literature. He was added probably to portray the contrast between him and the beast. Also originally the beast isn't literally a beast. Then there are minor flubs in the story... like belle just doesn't accidentally stumble into the castle or whatever, the "beast" apparently kidnaps her father, a merchant on business, and forces her to stay in the estate with him. All the animation and musical stuff are to make it fun and kid friendly, and the story was reordered slightly. It's pretty much in the fairy tale spirit, because after a while all those little tales and whatever got re-written in Europe's romanticism period and adopted by disney in the 20th century.
    Last edited by male; 12-10-2010 at 06:36 AM.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •