Subjective.Originally Posted by Singularity
Subjective.
Yup but racists jokes onlineenough stereotypes already!
"Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."
C. G. Jung
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Ashton, OP contradicts your statement (ESC seemed to establish a "there are boundaries in friendship" tone, and is trying to understand a POV contrary to that).
Kay, probs not Beta.
I love racist jokes.
What do these signs mean—,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor DarkAngelFireWolf69, Dmitri Lytov
Show your work for the class.
...Wait, don't, I don't give a shit. You've demonstrated already you don't know the first fucking thing about type theory.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor DarkAngelFireWolf69, Dmitri Lytov
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"Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."
C. G. Jung
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Friendship is creepy.
Thanks for the link to the older thread.you sound like a cool mom.i don't think any of that sounds contrary to Si and Fi necessarily. hmm...i think Fi and Si are both very personal to whoever is using them, so how it manifests is going to vary a lot (as with any function, i guess). your ex could have been bothered by what he confronted when he got home, but it would have been highly personalized and not every Si person would be bothered by the same stimuli. the way he reacted to it could be more specific to type, maybe.
as for my SLI boyfriend and i, i'm often the one stressing out about making something nutritionally appropriate for dinner while he's all like, "just throw a couple hot dogs in the microwave, who cares?" maybe irrationality versus rationality? but not Si related imo.
it sounds like your ex was pretty traditional and conservative, which seems to get associated with delta a lot. maybe because of delta's place in the quadra system as maintainers of already existing systems or something, not sure. but irl i don't see these sorts of life outlooks being attributable to type.
anyway, i'm not sure what i could say in terms of what kind of environment an Fi and Si valuing person would appreciate more because i wasn't at all horrified by what you described, haha. maybe aiss might have a good response, she usually does.
EDIT: i didn't notice your question before about what Si is to someone who values it. this is an older post, but has stuck in my head as the description i've read that has most closely matched my own experience (7th post, written by steve).
Si vs Ni perception - Socionix
for me, probably Ni and Se. my demonstrative and polr.
I see what you mean about the elements being a personal thing. Yeah, my ex was very conservative, but he has a great sense of humor (very different sense of humor from mine). He just doesn't like anything that seems brash or inappropriate, and he didn't like me encouraging our child in his ... open-ended flights of fancy, nor in his tendency toward abstract intellectualism.
If the ex came home and the house was 90 percent sparkling clean, dinner was quietly and slowly cooking, and the kid and I were sitting on the couch quietly reading, he seemed pleased.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Yes, I'm beginning to see that I really don't "get" Si and that I'm likely to stereotype Si because it has no real depth or meaning to me. When I encounter what seems like Si to me, it seems like I can know it simply because it makes me really uneasy. Like, almost disgusted. But ... maybe I'm misunderstanding what Si is in those situations.Side off-topic question: do you have the same difficulties I have to understand Si?
Extended off-topic question: do you guys have one function in particular in the 8 which you find harder to understand fully? (in my case it's the weakest and most devalued so no surprise, but what about you?)
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Your ex sounds like a typical guy ---> "I'm home, there's food waiting, I don't have to do any housework, my wife is not nagging me and my kid is not screaming. Perfect."
Every woman I know in my office gripes about this attitude, and they're all Fe. No idea what their husband's types are, but they're tired of having to take care of everything all by themselves.
IEE
yeah. everything starts to be a grind after the newness of babies wears off.
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Why so serious?
Maybe, but I for sure have seen some women's husbands who are happy to join in the disorder and fray. I didn't do much nagging (in my opinion, of course). My husband actually liked me, according to him. So I dunno. We just were a mismatch.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Hi Labcoat
We're still creepy internet friends btw.
*Peers at your signature*
So...
Labcoatttt!!!!!!!
NO!!!!!!!
Ok so more on the matter.
Problems betweenand
valuers:
It seems as if there is sort of a tug of power.
I actually think that's pretty good.Ok so more on the matter.
Problems between
It seems as if there is sort of a tug of power.
Hmm, meant to add Fe/Fi PoLR Contrary partners. It's worse there because neither is capable of accommodating the other appropriately.
With Semi Duality, especially between SLE/ILI and ILE/SLI, I think the complementing functions allow for compensation, but the problem still exists.
I agree with the unbolded part entirely.Ok so more on the matter.
Problems between
It seems as if there is sort of a tug of power.
Then I got confused. Contrary relationships are all between Exxx and Ixxx types. So do you mean that the person who is overall extroverted creates the free-exchange situations, or that the Fe (extroverted feeling) person does it? Änd by the introvert you mean the one with introverted feeling, which is why the exchange should be "sober"?
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Yea my concepts got jumbled as I tried to externalize them, I realized it too late.
Just pleased? My husband would be awed and ecstatic if he ever found me and our kids in this state
My life's work (haha):
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/blog.php?b=709
Input, PLEASEAnd thank you
Lol. Yeah, just "pleased." Forget about ecstasy. But you know, maybe he was deeply thrilled and delighted and I just couldn't read it properly.Just pleased? My husband would be awed and ecstatic if he ever found me and our kids in this state
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Okay, well, as long as you're talking about strictly Fi and Fe as opposed to the big I and E aspects of the conflictors' types, I think what you wrote makes a lot of sense. It's just one of many ways in which full-on conflictors will clash, as opposed to types who are in conflict in Fe-Fi per se.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
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