SLOAN type and Socionics

[KeroZen]

Part of the sorting problem will be to determine WHY a person has problems converting from one system to the other:

Case A: person adheres to one particular type description more than the other (text only) but has no deep knowledge or understanding of the functions (case of j/p indetermination in both systems, assuming the first 3 dichotomies are identical and not skewed/mixed) ex: one adheres to INTJ but another to INTP only due to details in text descriptions

Case B: person adheres to MBTI function order in a description and think there should be a j/p switch (case of rational analysis fighting against anomalies) ex: person under-looking descriptions trying to make sense / be logical.

I could see more cases but anyway, knowing the level of knowledge the user has and what makes him think he is one type more than another in one system should be taken into consideration.

For instance if the user took a fake MBTI 40-questions online test only once and identified only lightly to the result, the form could safely invite him/her to discard that result and pass a real socionics test (with url(s)) altogether...

See what I mean?

[KeroZen]

Aleksei:

Interesting but you spot several cases of I/E switches too...

Thus far the only ones I've witnessed around me were debunked at some point, but they all revolved around an introvert wishing he/she was more extroverted and forcing himself in extroverted operation mode for better social fitness/integration.

How much frequent is it? I'm saying that because Ganin's article is more for the 1:1 match for "E" types side.

I've never seen people scoring "I" but proving to be "E" thus far, but I can understand it for the ENFp case for instance. In fact no, I don't agree with your chart here because as an IEI I identify way more to ENFj (my mirror) than to ENFp (my contrary, even if having the same function order translates in very strong similitudes in motives aka same algorithm but different vector angle)

[Crispy]

EIE : ENTP
EIE : ENFP

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

[Aleksei]

KeroZen, I'm not saying INFp and ENFp are the same type, or even close to it. What I'm suggesting is that the way ENFP works in MBTI brings it closer to Beta than Delta NF. As I'm using a stylus to type this out I'm not particularly inclined to type out a treatise as to why (that'll come in due time), but suffice it to point out the difference, that I'm ENFP in MBTI. And no, Crispy, this is not up for debate.

On I/E switches, I was just comparing subtype descriptions (Gulenko's descriptions to be exact) to what MBTI type they sound like. Generally speaking though, Fe-creatives are very weakly expressed introverts, so they go with either weakly-expressed introverts (ISFP), or weakly-expressed extroverts (ENFP). INFPs are generally a tad too withdrawn for a proper fit.

[golden]

SLUEI
(3.8% of women; 3.5% of men)

Um, don't they have anything nice to say about SLUEI? Come on, there must be some upside to it. The other thing is, the test I took was ridiculously short, about 3/4 of my responses were in the middle (not extreme), and my results were very close to the middle overall, with the exception of emotional stability. I think I can say for sure I'm "limbic" and "inquisitive," and the others are in doubt.

prone to addiction, often late, does not think things work out for the best, impatient, discontent, negative, opinionated, acts without thinking, preoccupied with self, easily frustrated, not that interested in others, act at the expense of others, becomes aggressive when they feel hurt, acts wild and crazy, frustrated and angry when people don't live up to expectations, slow to forgive, takes charge, does not behave in way that is acceptable to society, pessimistic, agnostic/atheistic tendencies, not usually happy, not calm in crisis, does not accomplish work on time, spontaneous, not on good terms with everyone, demanding, misbehaved, improper, avoids responsibilities, not willing to let things rest, acts out frustrations on others, has a need to maintain high levels of excitement, rarely prepared, often bored while working, aggressive, asks questions nobody else does, hard to reason with, likes to be the center of attention, acts without planning, retaliatory, asks many questions, quick to correct others, more pleasure seeking than responsible, not hard working, disorganized, loses things, unable to control cravings

At least my career and hobby are on here:

favored careers:
author, freelance writer, philosopher, playwrite, novelist, memeber of the performing arts, poet, screenwriter, film director, philosophy professor, actor, entertainer, filmmaker, film producer, creative director, theater industry, music journalist, actor, broadcast journalist, activist, music performer, art director, songwriter, travel writer, english professor, artist, editor, arts and media industry, egyptologist, art curator, theater teacher, pschoanalyst, film critic, diplomat, journalist, freelance artist, dictator, college professor, dj, composer, comedian, psychotherapist, photojournalist, tv producer, music producer, casting director, magazine editor, bookseller, record store owner, comic book artist, museum curator, entertainment lawyer, news anchor, political analyst, book editor, sociologist, political scientist, film editor, theologian, dancer, archeologist, clinical psychologist, international relations specialist, advertising executive

And many of the jobs I would never in a million years do are also here:

disfavored careers:
child care worker, nurse, office worker, adminstrative support, office manager, sporst management, medical assistant, executive assistant, pediatric nurse, secretary, accountant, athletic trainer, physician assistant, personal assistant, early childhood educator

[darya]

SCUEI
(3.3% of women; 5.3% of men)

[Pookie]

RCUAI or something.

[Aylen]

I did the short 40 questions test.

Big Five Test Results

Extroversion	||||||||||||	48%
Orderliness	||||||||||||	44%
Emotional Stability	||||||||||||||||	62%
Accommodation	||||||||||||||	54%
Inquisitiveness	||||||||||||||||	70%

The Big Five is currently the most accepted personality model in the scientific community. The Big Five emerged from the work of multiple independent scientists/researchers starting in the 1950s who using different techniques obtained similar results. Those results were that there are five distinct personality traits/dimensions. Here are your results on each dimension: Extroversion results were medium which suggests you average somewhere in between being assertive and social and being withdrawn and solitary. Orderliness results were moderately low which suggests you are, at times, overly flexible, random, scattered, and fun seeking at the expense of structure, reliability, work ethic, and long term accomplishment. Emotional Stability results were moderately high which suggests you are relaxed, calm, secure, and optimistic. Accommodation results were medium which suggests you are moderately kind natured, trusting, and helpful while still maintaining your own interests. Inquisitiveness results were high which suggests you are very intellectual, curious, imaginative but possibly not very practical. Your Global5/SLOAN type is RCUAI Your Primary type is Inquisitive (the hyperlinks above contain more thorough descriptions including preferred/dispreferred careers) You scored as introverted and intellectually curious. I recently started a discussion forum for introverted intellectuals, if interested visitintrospectives.org

Global 5: sloan RCUAI; sloan+ xcua|I|; primary Inquisitive; R(52%)C(62%)U(56%)A(54%)I(70%)

Inquisitive


(4.8% of women; 10.4% of men)


more interested in intellectual pursuits than relationships or family, detaches to analyze factors from multiple perspectives, regularly uses ideas and tools to transform understanding, enjoys playing with random interconnections between ideas and patterns, would describe self as a nerd in high school, likes science fiction, introspective, good at fixing things, more comfortable around adults as a child, feels both special and defective, knows the darkside of life well, is not bothered by going long periods without speaking with people, more intellectual than sensual, can be bitter, problem solver, relys on mind more than on others, driven by curiousity, feels best when working, minimalist

Some of it fits. Some totally off. I can be wild and crazy too.

RCUAI

avoidant, often late, patient, rarely prepared, non-aggressive, slow to judge others, withdrawn, unconcerned with image, relaxed, avoids crowds, easy going, not demanding, low maintenance, unambitious, not domineering, private, thinks before acting, concerned with the feelings of others, not wild and crazy, not controlling, does not like to show anger, hard to offend, dislikes the spotlight, uninterested in leading, not competitive, overly nice, not physically affectionate with most people, not bothered by disorder, level emotions, does not second guess self, agnostic/atheistic tendencies, not picky about food, not relationship obsessed, unproductive, unimposing, plain in appearance, disorganized, loner, lower energy level, very curious, uninterested in prestige/fame, not superficial, likes difficult reading material, does not get worked up about most things, fearless, flexible, trusting, does not stick to plans, easily distracted, interested in science, unconcerned that people have trouble reading them, a good loser, modest, not swayed by emotions

*the descriptions listed here are made up of personality items. people who scored high on this type scored higher on the above items compared to the average. (more info)

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favored careers:

philosopher, philosophy professor, scientist, research scientist, novelist, author, astronomer, astronaut, freelance writer, archeologist, researcher, environmental scientist, scholar, physicist, anthropologist, forest ranger, museum curator, theologian, bookseller, biotechnology, guitarist, game designer, aerospace engineer, college professor, geologist, pilot, egyptologist, video game designer, audio engineer, poet, ecologist, biochemist, animator, genetics researcher, forensic anthropologist, wildlife biologist, computer programmer, paleontologist, chemist, freelance artist, assassin, comic book artist, cartoonist, engineer, art historian, strategist, psychoanalyst, artist, research psychologist, environmental engineer, historian, computer engineer, sailor, computer animator, political scientist, non profit sector, forensic scientist, history professor, software engineer, screenwriter microbiologist

disfavored careers:

executive, manager, fashion designer, fashion editor, stylist, office administrator, executive assistant, businessman, interior designer/decorator, sales manager, business manager, real estate agent, administrative assistant, office assistant, personal assistant, business administrator, business consultant

[Pink]

Your Global5/SLOAN type is RLUEI
Your Primary type is Egocentric

avoidant, withdrawn, not usually happy, does not believe in human goodness, loner, moody, avoids crowds, depressed, overwhelmed by unpleasant feelings frequently, agnostic/atheistic tendencies, unsure where life is going, impatient, avoids eye contact, does not think things work out for the best, discontent, negative, suspicious of others, uncooperative, socially uncomfortable, hard to get to know, not punctual, low self confidence, pessimistic, lonely, does not finish work on time, does not like to lead, attracted to things associated with sadness, ambivalent about the problems of others, feels defective, fears failure, often bored, ambivalent about the suffering of others, unproductive, avoids unnecessary interaction, easily frustrated, does not finish many things, lower energy level, focuses on fantasies instead of reality, ambivalent about the needs of others, easily annoyed, rarely prepared, disorganized, quiet around strangers, slow to forgive, hard to understand, not that interested in others, skeptical, wounded at the core, self absorbed

favored careers: philosopher, freelance writer, novelist, author, astronomer, book editor, freelance artist, scholar, bookstore owner, bookseller, screenwriter, philosophy professor, poet, cinematographer, artist, playwright, librarian, comic book artist, art historian, publisher, archeologist, scientist, composer, video game designer, egyptologist, museum curator, researcher, paleontologist, anthropologist, musician, genetics researcher, historian, theologian, research psychologist, art director, research scientist, songwriter, history professor, linguist, computer animator, professor of english, illustrator, painter, assassin, cartoonist, library assistant, travel writer, curator, film critic, environmental scientist, filmmaker, journalist, english professor, aerospace engineer, political scientist, computer scientist, art curator, audio engineer, archivist, art education, college professor, academic, technical writer, webmaster, animator, psychoanalyst, music journalist, geneticist, astronaut, research assistant, software developer, website designer, movie director, web developer, film editor, copywriter, digital artist, editor music therapist, geologist, web designer, biologist, biochemist, mercenary

disfavored careers:
supervisor, sports management, event planner, wedding planner, even coordinator, manager, business administrator, administrator, businessman, childcare worker, hospitality manager, hospitality worker, coach, office manager, sales associate, business manager, athletic trainer, kindergarten teacher, preschool teacher, office administrator, human resources manager, health care worker, public relations manager, personal assistant, customer service representative, customer service employee, administrative support, business owner, early childhood educator, social services worker, office worker, secretary, fundraiser, receptionist, sales manager, nurse practitioner, pediatric nurse, executive, executive assistant

[Amber]

Extroversion	||||||||||||||	52%
Orderliness	||||||||||||||	60%
Emotional Stability	||||||||||||	50%
Accommodation	||||||||||	36%
Inquisitiveness	||||||||||||||||	68%

The Big Five is currently the most accepted personality model in the scientific community. The Big Five emerged from the work of multiple independent scientists/researchers starting in the 1950s who using different techniques obtained similar results. Those results were that there are five distinct personality traits/dimensions. Here are your results on each dimension: Extroversion results were medium which suggests you average somewhere in between being assertive and social and being withdrawn and solitary. Orderliness results were moderately high which suggests you are, at times, overly organized, neat, structured and restrained at the expense too often of flexibility, variety, spontaneity, and fun. Emotional Stability results were medium which suggests you average somewhere in between being calm and resilient and being anxious and reactive. Accommodation results were moderately low which suggests you are, at times, overly selfish, uncooperative, and difficult at the expense of the well being of others. Inquisitiveness results were moderately high which suggests you are intellectual, curious, imaginative but possibly not very practical. Your Global5/SLOAN type is SLOEI Your Primary type is Inquisitive

SLOEI
(3.1% of women; 2.2% of men)

demanding, controlling, aggressive, retaliatory, does not forgive easily, opinionated, domineering, does not accept what others say, believes that appearances are important, likes to be the center of attention, not patient with people who annoy them, easily annoyed, quick to judge others, preoccupied with self, show off, feels you have to be tough on people to get things done, prone to addiction, not good at sports, frequently pursues impressive achievements, takes charge, competitive, frustrated and angry when people don't live up to expectations, not on good terms with everyone, second place rarely feels good enough to them, antagonistic, able to stand up for self, acts superior to others, hard to satisfy, bothered by disorder, impatient, becomes aggressive when they feel hurt, decisive, abrupt, impulsive, more dominant than submissive, finishes most things they start, desires some level of fame in their community, unable to control cravings, acts out frustrations on others, easily frustrated, can become overwhelmed by events, does not readily admit mistakes, moody, not very religious

*the descriptions listed here are made up of personality items. people who scored high on this type scored higher on the above items compared to the average. (more info)

back to personality types
favored careers:

scholar, college professor, politician, university professor, political analyst, diplomat, philosopher, ambassador, reporter, academic, corporate lawyer, political scientist, news anchor, dictator, philosophy professor, lawyer, international relations specialist, international businesss specialist, author, ceo, executive, journalist, psychoanalyst, judge, english professor, financial analyst, editor, project manager, researcher, broadcast journalist, analyst, marketing director, publicist, business consultant, consultant, manager, policy analyst, business manager, performer, business administrator, entertainment lawyer, strategist, psychotherapist, investment banker, advertising executive, travel writer, performing arts, financial planner, media industry, fashion editor, publisher, screenwriter, magazine editor, broadcaster, freelance writer, sociologist, genetics researcher, marketing specialist, management consultant, technical writer, psychiatrist, actor, economist, geneticist, businessman, research scientist, art historian, model

disfavored careers:

childcare worker, mechanic, nurse, nanny, missionary, firefighter, stay at home parent, soldier, auto mechanic, physical therapist, body piercer, construction worker, police officer

[Persephone]

Apparently I can work as assassin, astronaut or mercenary.
Sounds great.
Equivalent of INTP in MBTI.


Your Global5/SLOAN type is RLUEI
Your Primary type is Inquisitive

Extroversion results were moderately low which suggests you are reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and private.
Orderliness results were medium which suggests you are moderately organized, structured, and self controlled while still remaining flexible, varied, and fun.
Emotional Stability results were moderately low which suggests you are worrying, insecure, emotional, and anxious.
Accommodation results were moderately low which suggests you are, at times, overly selfish, uncooperative, and difficult at the expense of the well being of others.
Inquisitiveness results were moderately high which suggests you are intellectual, curious, imaginative but possibly not very practical.

favored careers:

philosopher, freelance writer, novelist, author, astronomer, book editor, freelance artist, scholar, bookstore owner, bookseller, screenwriter, philosophy professor, poet, cinematographer, artist, playwright, librarian, comic book artist, art historian, publisher, archeologist, scientist, composer, video game designer, egyptologist, museum curator, researcher, paleontologist, anthropologist, musician, genetics researcher, historian, theologian, research psychologist, art director, research scientist, songwriter, history professor, linguist, computer animator, professor of english, illustrator, painter, assassin, cartoonist, library assistant, travel writer, curator, film critic, environmental scientist, filmmaker, journalist, english professor, aerospace engineer, political scientist, computer scientist, art curator, audio engineer, archivist, art education, college professor, academic, technical writer, webmaster, animator, psychoanalyst, music journalist, geneticist, astronaut, research assistant, software developer, website designer, movie director, web developer, film editor, copywriter, digital artist, editor music therapist, geologist, web designer, biologist, biochemist, mercenary

[Moonbeaux Rainfox]

Extroversion	||||||||||	38%
Orderliness	||||||||||||||||||	70%
Emotional Stability	||||||||||||||	60%
Accommodation	||||||||||||||	52%
Inquisitiveness	||||||||||||||||	60%

Your Global5/SLOAN type is RCOAI Your Primary type is Organized

[The Exception]

Extroversion |||||| 26%
Orderliness |||||||||||||||| 62%
Emotional Stability |||||||||||| 42%
Accommodation |||||||||||| 48%
Inquisitiveness |||||||||||||||||| 74%

The Big Five is currently the most accepted personality model in the scientific community. The Big Five emerged from the work of multiple independent scientists/researchers starting in the 1950s who using different techniques obtained similar results. Those results were that there are five distinct personality traits/dimensions. Here are your results on each dimension:

Extroversion results were low which suggests you are very reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and private.

Orderliness results were moderately high which suggests you are, at times, overly organized, neat, structured and restrained at the expense too often of flexibility, variety, spontaneity, and fun.

Emotional Stability results were moderately low which suggests you are worrying, insecure, emotional, and anxious.

Accommodation results were medium which suggests you are moderately kind natured, trusting, and helpful while still maintaining your own interests.

Inquisitiveness results were high which suggests you are very intellectual, curious, imaginative but possibly not very practical.

[Skepsis]

RCOEI; primary Inquisitive; R(68%)X(50%)O(54%)E(66%)I(74%)

RLUEI description and favored careers seems to fit a little better.

[Narc]

RCUEI is what I typically get.

[Disturbed]

Usually sLuen (or SLUEN) for me. Limbic is the only one that's really more than 6%age points away from 50%.

[Aquamarine]

I did a test cause I couldn't be bothered to read through all 32 types. I got RCUAN. I don't agree with some of the stuff on it though. But a lot of it fits.

uncompetitive, unadventurous, level emotions, not bothered by disorder, not spontaneous, dislikes the spotlight, does not like to display anger, backs down when threatened, risk averse, unambitious, disorganized, messy, unconcerned with prestige/impressiveness, not detail oriented, not manipulative, slow to acquire skills, patient, not relationship obsessed, not aggressive, not wild and crazy, not physically affectionate with most people, underachiever, easily deterred, no interest in leadership, inattentive to the social hierarchy, not superficial, independent, not self absorbed, does not look for hidden meaning in things, modest, can be easily deterred, patient, embarrassed by praise, tolerant, not guided by moods, not very inquisitive, not easily frustrated, not prone to jealousy, easily confused, forgiving, not punctual, easy to satisfy, rarely prepared, private, avoids crowds, attached to conventional ways, not interested in science, slow to judge others, not open about feelings, not prone to addiction, positive, patient, not interested in abstract ideas, feels ordinary, willing to try new things, not materialistic


favored careers:

animal trainer, construction worker, zoo keeper, firefighter, tattoo artist, race car driver, mechanic, guitarist, preschool teacher, police officer, graphic designer, childcare worker, soldier, military employee, carpenter, truck driver, cook, auto mechanic, computer animator, construction manager, video game designer, wildlife biologist, photographer, pilot, horse trainer, paramedic, special education teacher, technician, mechanic, veterinarian, veterinary tech, forest ranger, bounty hunter, mercenary, cashier, animator, nurse, illustrator, career in art education, electrician, body piercer, special education worker, music performer, plumber, elementary education teacher, chef, social services worker, kindergarten teacher, baker, bartender, artist

disfavored careers:

university professor, executive, project manager, event coordinator, ambassador, supervisor, academic, business manager, international business specialist, business consultant, strategist, ceo, philosophy professor, scholar, business administrator

[FreelancePoliceman]

I get RLOAI.

withdrawn, loner, not wild and crazy, does not like the spotlight, worrying, crowd averse, afraid to draw attention to self, easily hurt, fearful, prone to low physical fitness, fears mistakes, prone to health problems, hard to get to know, risk averse, unable to speak up for self, becomes overwhelmed by events, not self confident, depressed, embarrassed by praise, prefers organized to unpredictable, apprehensive about new encounters, not good at telling jokes, easily intimidated, quiet around strangers, socially unskilled, easily offended, avoids being a bother to anyone, anxious, plays it safe, not spontaneous, some attraction to things associated with sadness, easily discouraged, apologetic, private, requires lots of time alone to recharge, self loathing, avoidant, second guesses self, low energy level, values solitude, not physically affectionate with most people, not competitive, lonely, hesitant, thinks before acting, not aggressive, very clean, feels unattractive, stressed, proper, values rules and regulations, plain, avoids small talk, resigned

I wouldn't say I'm "easily hurt" or "self loathing." I admit it can be difficult to speak up for myself but I do if I'm pushed. I think my jokes are OK. I wouldn't say I'm difficult to get to know. I've never considered myself or been told I'm easily offended. I can be competitive. Don't think I'm particularly clean. Don't know what "proper" means or what it means to value rules and regulations. The rest is fine.

[RBRS]

I've been thinking that SLOAN might be the perfect external subtyping system for socionics, even better than psychosophy. Anyways

Extroversion results were moderately low which suggests you are reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and private.

Orderliness results were medium which suggests you are moderately organized, structured, and self controlled while still remaining flexible, varied, and fun.

Emotional Stability results were low which suggests you are very worrying, insecure, emotional, and anxious.

Accommodation results were medium which suggests you are moderately kind natured, trusting, and helpful while still maintaining your own interests.

Inquisitiveness results were moderately high which suggests you are intellectual, curious, imaginative but possibly not very practical.

Your Global5/SLOAN type is RLOAI
Your Primary type is Limbic

[EUDAEMONIUM]

Shit man ok

Yeah these were brutal.

[EUDAEMONIUM]

SCUEI
(3.3% of women; 5.3% of men)
not afraid of doing the wrong things, does not value rules and regulations, prefers unpredictable to organized, does not accomplish work on time, needs to maintain high levels of excitement, out for own personal gain, not afraid to draw attention to self, more pleasure seeking than responsible, not bothered by disorder, retaliatory, thrives on the rush of risk taking, unpredictable, asks questions that nobody else does, often does not know what they are doing, spontaneous, first to act, not easily hurt, not apprehensive about new encounters, does not readily admit mistakes, not a perfectionist, not apologetic, disorganized, socially comfortable, outgoing, calm in crisis, fearless, atheist/agnostic tendencies, good at getting people to have fun, opinionated, not easily moved to tears, sexually immodest, adventurous, unconventional, aggressive, often late, high energy level, likes the spotlight, ambivalent about the needs of others, worry free, acts without thinking or planning, bad at saving money, selfish

favored careers:

philosopher, philosophy professor, film director, comedian, rock star, international spy, freelance writer, filmmaker, ambassador, movie director, screenwriter, diplomat, movie producer, astronaut, dictator, cinematographer, novelist, author, entertainer, playwrite, politician, performer, creative director, radio broadcaster, assassin, freelance artist, actor, music performer, dj, media industry, broadcast journalist, music producer, musician, egyptologist, poet, art director, performing arts, film critic, political analyst, fighter pilot, theater industry, tv producer, travel writer, strategist, photojournalist, reporter, scientist, songwriter, theater director, composer, film editor, broadcaster, college professor, casting director, astronomer, pilot, news anchor, radio dj, activist, anthropologist, psychoanalyst, sound engineer, entrepreneur, mercenary, artist, political scientist

[InkBlue]

>Extraversion 7/100
>Neuroticism 100/100
>Conscientiousness 44/100
>Agreeableness 75/100
>Openness 95/100

RLuaI
moody, not good at sports, low energy level, unable to speak up for self, avoidant, depressed, withdrawn, attracted to things associated with sadness, easily frightened, feels defective, lonely, no self confidence, easily discouraged, avoids crowds, backs down when threatened, easily intimidated, socially unskilled, loner, unproductive, late with work, prone to health problems, focuses on fantasies more than reality, self loathing, wounded at the core, easily hurt, often sad, becomes overwhelmed by events, fearful, rarely prepared, fears doing the wrong thing, often aware how the color and lighting of a room affects their mood, feels untalented, quiet around strangers, prone to addiction, doubting, anxious, easily confused, frequently overwhelmed by unpleasant feelings, weak sense of purpose, relates to broken and discarded things, unsure where life is going, continually losing things, fears drawing attention to self, avoids unnecessary interaction, often bored, second guesses self, embarrassed by praise, worrying, resigned, prone to jealousy

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