Not that dualism. Dualism is the process of contraries. Light/Dark, etc. ie if one cannot be one thing then it is automatically the other.
I now end my lesson in mixed meanings.
Not that dualism. Dualism is the process of contraries. Light/Dark, etc. ie if one cannot be one thing then it is automatically the other.
I now end my lesson in mixed meanings.
Hm... Actually, I looked at Depp again, and now I think he is SEI. I don't know what you mean by extraverted feeling, but that is the first thing that comes to mind when I see Depp. He is an entertainer at heart and is always changing his expressions, his appearance, his voice. He never seems serious. He has a highly expressive face and is concerned with creating a certain emotional impression on others.Originally Posted by Rocky
Would you reconsider that? Depp has no feeling (especially of the Extraverted kind) that I could possibaly see.I think Johnny Depp is a narcissistic guy with strongJohnny Depp is ENFp?
Do we also get Freddy Mercury? Yes? And Keith Richards?. He likes to act up all the time and draw attention to himself. At the same time, he is rather effeminate despite being rowdy and cocky. I would say EIE, but I could also see SEI or ESE.
.I don't picture ISTps as being mellow. I think of them like Ennis from Brokeback Mountain (I'm not calling ISTps gay here - it's just an example ) who has all this emotion churning inside him but keeps a stoic facade going
Emotions churning is not an accurate depiction... Think of them as a neighbor that comes over without calling...
Anyways...
Jude Law is definitely an ENFP... his girlfriend there looks something else though, possibly ISTP (her outfit says otherwise though)
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He is showing
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You know, the ENFp women around me are so beautiful, and have such a strong desire to be good.. jeez. I wish they didn't annoy me so, because if they didn't then... ROAR!!!!!!
Life's a bitch.
thing.
Perhaps. But what would be the motivation for an SLI to always be clowning around so much? When SLI's do clown around and try to act emotional, it either 1) comes out sensual/physical instead of emotional, or 2) comes out of their Super-ego functions and looks really strained and uncomfortable.He is showing
The emotional expressions of the SLIs I have met usually were limited to a uniform smile, that they are wearing. I wouldn’t say that it looks strained, but I remember sometimes asking myself whether it’s real or they are acting, but there are always exceptions. I don’t think that a POLR
The motivations might be various and I’m just guessing.
What do many people do if someone is very restrained, acts unemotional and likes to keep a large psychological distance towards them? They start to get suspicious and insecure and because they don’t know how to interact with them they see this person as cold, weird, different and may try to reject and isolate him/her. I was surprised when I once heard a girl saying about a SLI “His an absolute egotist.” (I assume it was about his need to keep a certain distance.) So, what could an SLI do in that kind of a situation? He (like Johnny Depp, if he’s a SLI) could try to become a more “normal” person to gain acceptance and attention by showing more emotions and joking (but a SLI’s conception of what is “normal”, is of a different kind.) Maybe clowning around was a good strategy to gain more (positive?) attention and obviously it worked in a way that he became a popular actor. Perhaps he’s just continuing to behave in that way, because he doesn’t sees (or needs) a reason to change something in that.
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That's the Super-ego behavior I'm talking about. But people use their Super-ego functions when they feel they're in a threatening situation till they've gained acceptance, then they gradually relax and switch over to their stronger functions. I don't see any signs that Depp is planning to finally drop the clown mask and the dramatism and just be a normal guy with no more clowning around... Hence, I find it easier to believe that he has strong
Okey, but what if for some reason he still feels threatened and can’t relax? There’s still a lot of anger in him.
Doesn’t this sound like a weak Fe?:
Depp, 41, was silent for a moment, then added that if the gods really wanted to smile on him, they would also help him avoid one other thing; an Oscar nomination for his steadfast, low-key portrayal of Peter Pan author J.M. Barrie, in Finding Neverland, because that would mean he'd actually have to attend the Oscars, and while such a thing would not, of course, match the nerve-shivering hell of constructing a Barbie train set it could, nonetheless, lead to some discomfort, just as it did when he and Paradis went to the Oscar after the Pirates nod. "All Vanessa and I could think of was "When and where can we go smoke?" he said, frowning "And "Where can we get a drink?" And "When is it over?" And "Please. don't let me win" It was such a shock, to get the news that I'd been nominated. My first reaction was "Why?" On one level I was flattered; but it's not what I am working for. And when I didn't win the Thing - oh, I was ecstatic. Absolutely ecstatic. I applauded the lucky winner [Sean Penn] and said "Thank God!"Although he might be a borderline case…He said that public functions cause him extreme anxiety - "anything like that, where you are expected to act in a certain way. I can't go out and do that. I can't do it. It's not in me. It feels awful to even try.
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Could also be related to introversion...
I think I can rule out EIE and probably ESE at this point, though.
From his interviews it doesn't sound like he's straining in his parts (more cutting and pasting in a second...)
INTERVIEW WITH DEPP AFTER 'PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN' (a movie where he is very goofy and full of
(emphasis added)UGO: How has your relationship with Hollywood changed?
JD: For five years, I've been living in France and in the States to some degree a little bit, because I'm not a resident of France. But it has done wonders for my relationship with Hollywood. And also having kids, just in terms of not really- - I'm so removed from it that I don't know anything. I mean, I don't know who anybody is. I don't know who's famous. I don't know who's not famous. I don't know who's rich, who's poor, who's successful, who's a drag. I don't know anybody. I don't know what made money and what didn't make money. And it's great.
types). At the very least, this is more an introverted trait.
I don't think Depp is straining or trying to meet people's expectations in his acting. On the contrary. That's why I don't think we can attribute his behavior to Super-ego functions.JD: So once I got off and started doing movies, regardless of what's going to happen, I was doing the things that I wanted to do. I feel really lucky that I've been able to do those movies and play those characters. So, I'm really proud of all the films, all the experiences. Performance, that's another thing. That's none of my business. It's not for me to judge.
...
UGO: Are you up for a sequel?
JD: Yeah, I would love it - the amount of fun that I had on this film was criminal, really. There were moments when the director and I would sort of look at each other and just go, 'Can you actually believe that we get to do this and we're getting paid for this?'
Here's a good interview that is more personal.
http://www.johnnydeppfan.com/interviews/intrvu95.htm
Here's a few lines from another interview:
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/inte...terviewee/depp
(my emphasis added)Q: You seem to be enjoy projects where you get to do highly stylized acting, like "Sleepy Hollow," "Ed Wood," "Fear and Loathing" and "Edward Scissorhands." What's the appeal? Is it more fun than method acting or just playing it straight?
A: It's much more fun. I mean it's fun to try to invent a character from the ground up -- obviously using the basis of Washington Irving's character -- but build him from the ground up. Make him interesting, different, and push him as far as you can go where you're just on the verge of believable and not so believable. Or even, quite possibly, almost bad acting. (There's that smirk again.)
...
Q: So what's fun for you is to get at the heart of these exaggerated, stylized characters.
A: I'll tell you what's fun is to try something that maybe hasn't been beaten to death. To try and do something a little bit different. I mean, what's the risk? The risk is you fall flat on your face, or you make an ass of yourself, or you get fired. But there's always other things. So yes, it's fun. With characters like this Ichabod Crane, or with Raoul Duke from "Fear and Loathing" or with Edward Scissorhands, you know it's only going to happen one time, this opportunity to do this. So you just take your best shot. Somebody hands you the ball and you run as fast as you can.
I agree.
He’s just doing his thing. He enjoys freedom very much.I don't think Depp is straining or trying to meet people's expectations in his acting. On the contrary. That's why I don't think we can attribute his behavior to Super-ego functions..
JD is obviously a contrdictory personality, it seems to me that he has traits from both SLI and SEI. He can be calm and serious for a while, but in the next moment he just goes nuts with hisseem to be almost equally strong. It’s his unstability that attracts attention.
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The outbreaks of anger can be characteristic for both SLI and SEI, but “It’s very close to the surface” sounds like Super-idJD: There were times when it wasn't even that I was xxxxed up. Just that I was mixed up or angry and didn't know where to turn or what to do. I didn't have any perspective. You're loaded with anger and resentments. It's very close to the surface. And if somebody pushes the wrong button, then the demons come out. (laughs) There were a number of years when I was controlled by those demons.(I think) . And then he loughs about the “demons come out” like he is venting the inner tension. He probably uses his
I think it sounds like a SLI statementBL: Are you getting better at expressing you emotions now?
JD: It's always tough.
It seems that Depp has to force himself.BL: With the girls you went out with, would you find yourself having to get loaded in order to say what you wanted to say?
JD: Yeah, I went through that, for sure.
BL: Do you think that made you a difficult person to be with?
JD: I'm sure I was pretty difficult already, but booze or whatever doesn't make anything easier. I would love to be one of those guys who can go out and just have a few drinks and get a little goofy with my pals. Maybe I was that way when I was a teenager, when there was a little more innocence about my life, but when you start doing it to escape from something, you're compounding the problem.
BL: Are you conscious of the relationship between your bottled-up emotional life and what you can express as an actor?
JD: Every actor is different and every actor has a different process. But I think you don't have much choice if you want to do your best. You have to use that stuff.
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OK, interesting. I will need to do more research on him to figure it out.
Johnny Depp was typed as an ENFJ in MBTI, that contrasts heavily with you guys typing him as an ISTp using socionics. I personally believe he is an INFp from his behaviour in interviews. He seems to be very quiet in person, and you can read his emotions easily as well, which would indicate strong
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
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I don't care what anybody* else says. I try not to let others' subjective opinions (as opposed to the facts they present) influence my decisions. I don't believe it like I don't believe in the typing of Tom Cruise as ISTP.
*note that systems don't type people, but individual people do. So it would be incorrect to say that any perticular system "types" someone, since all it is is a bunch of personal opinions. Even using the same system, people come to different conclusions.
ISFj sounds about right for Cruise IMHO.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I think that Tom Cruise is ISFj, too.
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Why would Tom Cruise be an ISFj? I'm not criticizing your opinion, I just like to understand how you came to that conclusion. Subjectively, I believe that Tom Cruise is either an ENFp or an ISTp. If you notice his behaviour is extremely irrational in Oprah as a result of his love for his partner (I never fully saw it, only a glimpse). This leads me to believe thatISFj sounds about right for Cruise IMHO.
Also, Tom Cruise is known to be controlling of his life partner in terms of safety for the baby's health and her health, which indicates strong
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
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6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Stop right there. That's enough to believe he is not ISTP.
My opinion? ENFJ.
Good point, the church of scientology could conflict with theStop right there. That's enough to believe he is not ISTP.
My opinion? ENFJ.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
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6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
He lacks internal empathy. He is a Narcissist. I dont know why you guys bother trying to type him nor do I understand why the general theme around here is to select those that are extremes. As for Scientology, I wouldnt doubt an ISTp could be involved. Im sure there are tons of religious ISTps. The only thing that would tell against this is the way he uses it. The manner is not fitting via the theory. That said, personally I think Scientology is full of dog shit but whateverGood point, the church of scientology could conflict with theStop right there. That's enough to believe he is not ISTP.
My opinion? ENFJ.
For the record, any type can get involved in any religion, including SLI's in Scientology, as crazy as that may seem.
I think you're looking too far into the implications his attachment to Scientology has on his type. Cruise is known for being one of the most liked people in Hollywood and for being great to work with. He's gotten some bad press recently, but that hasn't changed who he is.
Celebrity ENFps
I thought of some ENFps and i thought i'd share
I also put pictures, so we can notice their phisical resemblances
Ville Valo (the vocalist of HIM, the Finnish rock band)
Joss Stone
Julia Stiles - the actress (i've watched her in the movie "save the last dance")
I know that most socionists would type Robin Williams ENTp, but I 've always seen him as an ENFp. At least that's how I think my dual should appear.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
I would definately type Robin Williams as an ENFP. His roles in what dreams may come & Patch Adams seemed quite emotional and frenetic ;0)
ENFp (Unsure of Subtype)
"And the day came when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk it took to blossom." - Anaïs Nin
HIM is one of my favourite bands. Well, I think Ville Valo is from delta, but an ISTp not an ENFp. I have seen some interviews with him where he acted in a very ISTp-like way.
Joss Stone is probably an SF type (ESFp?) and Julia Stiles is other personality type, maybe ST, I don't know.
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ISTp is the stereotypical goth guy. I don't know if that's because so many ISTps listen to metal music or it's because goth people act like stereotypical ISTps. (gloomy, egotistical, quiet, serious, enjoying music in a Si-way, etc).
Robin Williams does look more ENFp than ENTp. And I do see ENFp as a possibility. (PS! His comedy central stand-up show is the best stand-up I have EVER seen. We compare all the comedians to him and we always have to admit, that Robin Williams is still the best!)
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
Yuppy, I'm happy you like HIM, I like too.
In that case, i'll post the most awesome video with Ville, where you'll see why he is an ENFp. (look for the face/body expressions, i find them clearly ENFp-ish)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbZJIwOlLS4 (from a LIVE concert)
As for J. Stone and J. Stiles, just watch a few videos on youtube :wink:
They are both ENFp
Should I post the links?
Juanes the latin pop star
Don't say it so loudly, please!
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
haha... HIM is one of MY favourite bands!!! :wink:Don't say it so loudly, please!
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
HIM IS ONE OF MY FAVOURITE BANDS!!!
I'll admit that I've never heard of this Ville Valo (whateva) guy, but his appereance and everything strikes me the same way Tommy Lee does.
I thing I heard about Ville Valo long ago:
He drinks and smokes a lot. He smokes so much that he even smokes on stage. He ruined his mellow voice because of this. Preserving the sensation even if it ruins him. Is that Si-ego?
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
Just admit it Rocky, Ville is so ENFp.
I've added these three celebrities that I believe are ENFp:
Brittany Murphy
Sandra Bullock
Alicia Silverstone
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Jude Law
Socioniko.net said he is so he must be
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Oh, we had a thread like this as well,
http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3862
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