I've been typing Britney Spears SEE.Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky
I've been typing Britney Spears SEE.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
EII-Ne > IEE
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In MBTI, ISFP and ENFP is a mistype that happens.
Imo, MJ is an ENFP mistyped as ISFP.
Now in terms of socionics, very difficult. IxFp with Fe subtype atm.
PEDO
IEI
He was an EIE-Ni. Most EIE-Ni don't make work that original and high quality, but he was one of those EIE-Ni whose work was quite original and high quality. The world has never seen anyone else quite like him.
EII-Ne
SEI (VI)
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No.
EII (VI)
Ha, my bad I shouldn't have quoted you... I wasnt correcting you, but I came to post that exact video that you used...... so thought id quote your post, rather than post the exact one after.... we are allowed to see different things and have different opinions
No, we don't.we are allowed to see different things and have different opinions
ENFP
Sometimes you don't have motivation because you lack purpose.
Sometimes you don't have purpose, because you lack self-knowledge
Sometimes you don't have self-knowledge because you lack love
Sometimes you don't have love because you lack self-love
Sometimes you don't have self-love because you lack guess what? Ask Gulenko!!
The thing with Michael Jackson is how shy and Introvert he was in private, at a close psychological distance. I just want to remind myself that we all have two modus operandi which are equally a part of our TIM, one for the socion and one for our "privacy". Model G describes that aspect very well. It is a given, a well known fact about human behavior since Antiquity or even more far in time. We don't behave or talk about certain things with people we know very well compare to people we barely know. Although that can be more or less pronounced it's nonetheless a reality. Now, here is the thing, Extraverts will inevitably look and feel more introverts at a close distance and vice versa. That's just the way we are. In fact Michael was about as Introverted in private as he was Extraverted in public. Michael Jackson was an EIE.
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Beta NF. Not sure which.
Leaning more towards EIE-Ni
MJ is EIE
Everyone I don't like is gamma.
EII
MJ is SEI
He was always talking about his bodily pain, no idea why anyone would type him as Si-PoLR
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EIE
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
- Strongly extraverted
- Intuitive
- And dynamic speech
Could be EIE or LIE. The latter is more likely due to weak Fe and a nervous giggle, which is typical for role-Fe.
ISFP
Black & white is a shallow divide, division is the color that multiplies
Taking things at face value is good only for a spell
To experience is simple, to explain is divine
Hearts of stone are a dead giveaway: no movement
There has been some myth in the MBTI community about "ISFP" being artistic and talented performers. I haven't read it for a long time, but I remember it from years back when I first got into typology. But it's a misunderstanding. Highly talented performers, singers, dancers are often EIE/ENFJ. It's really common. Fe and Ni combined gives them a talent for expression, style&taste, rhytm, dramatic curve and time perception.
The SEI type definitely has an appreciation for fine impressions, "aesthetics". But it's very passive and they can't express it. It's extremely rare that they can translate it to art, although that sometimes happens. They lack the required rationality and their sense perceptions are just so vague that it usually leads to nothing. Not to speak of dancing and intensive performances. That's not for this type.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
The vid is Fi Se Tallmo, if you have not watched it, there are plenty of forum posts of their interest in art, usually painting, on Reddit and other places for this type.
There is an idea of Se lacking verbal ability in Ti Se types too, where Ne in its place transfers ideas to that physics space. I'm guessing role Ne in ESTP/ESFP gives them more verbal options. Otherwise the reverse by itself makes no sense, unless Te/Fe is that option. ??
I think this theory is born out of action from creative functions nixing verbal.
Black & white is a shallow divide, division is the color that multiplies
Taking things at face value is good only for a spell
To experience is simple, to explain is divine
Hearts of stone are a dead giveaway: no movement
IMO there's no reason to attribute smile to Fi and to believe that people who are good at dance are Se-egos.
Why don't you look at the whole type, and she's not slotting that as the one/ two reason.
Black & white is a shallow divide, division is the color that multiplies
Taking things at face value is good only for a spell
To experience is simple, to explain is divine
Hearts of stone are a dead giveaway: no movement
Yeah I know the vid talked about FiSe. "ISFP" sometimes refers to SEI, somtimes ESI. It depends of who's typing. Mbti is inconsistent because they're talking about P type although base is claimed to be Fi (rational). If you read the the descrptions however, ISFP seems SEI and ISFJ ESI.
You cant learn typology using mbti sources because they never learned to observe the types. It's a mess and all kinds of claims are thrown out without the proper foundation in experience. You need ITR etc. to connect the concepts to real life. Socionics is the best way to learn typology if you actually stick to it. Of course there are problems also, but it gives the right tools for many people to learn the types correctly over time.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
EIE
But I wonder about his subtype. He seems soft for an EJ. Makes me think he's a harmonizing type.
Michael, especially in later interviews, keeps talking about his bodily sensations. I don't think an Intuitive type, let along an Se-valuing type, would be able to be that in tune with their body to go into lengthy detail.
Yes, totally Harmonizing. And I agree about EIE also.
When performing one can really see his rationality. It's pretty difficult to have that kind of control of movement in time. EIEs are good with timing. I've had EIE dance teachers and some of them are extremely picky with body movements. It's like everything has to fit exactly into the flow of the movement. It's almost unreal. An extremely "unnatural" relation to the body.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
IEI ofc
my ideas about socionics:
https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
the section will be updated ever other month or so.
this is a VI thread with IEI examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)
and this is a thread with EIE examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples
Talking about observation. Does anyone notice anything special between these two?
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He seems had body dysmorphic disorder - esthetical inacceptance of own look. It's S related disorder and so for N types I'd expect it more often. To harm natural look without reasons is more Se value types fun, which do it with tatoos and other weirdness.
Base Si would be very strange to have such.
There are many many many psychological reasons behind any of this that I wouldn't attribute to a specific function. Not everyone who does these types of things you've mentioned are for self-harm / unacceptance of body shape/size/appearance reasons.
I'm specifically talking about him constantly complaining about his physical sensations, which would be something a N type would usually just pay no mind to/ignore.
are you guys seriously arguing for the possibility that a highly creative person like Michael Jackson is a sensing type? geez this site
my ideas about socionics:
https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
the section will be updated ever other month or so.
this is a VI thread with IEI examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)
and this is a thread with EIE examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples
I think it's way too general to say that intuitives ignore sensations. Especially EIE can be neurotic about health/comfort. That's how the polr often manifests: the person is unable to evaluate the information and is uncertain about it. The polr is not just about ignoring it, it's more about very narrow processing.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Right. Narrow processing. If we want to use Ausra: "A sensoric type trusts their sensations and has no doubts of being healthy or sick: after all, they “feel” it. It is the doctor who must be subordinated to their concrete, real sensations, instead of them being subordinated to the doctor’s unfounded diagnoses. If one doctor “found nothing,” a sensoric type goes to another. To an intuitive type their own sensations seem less objective than the doctor’s diagnosis. The diagnosis is the “norm,” and they behave in accordance with the diagnosis, not in accordance with the way they themself feel."
Michael?
N type means _lesser_ attention on "sensations", lesser abbility for this, infantile dealing with such info, lesser adequate behavior and processing related to this info.
You said that MJ complained about his physical sensations. I don't see how that could speak against Si polr. I've seen plenty of that kind of stuff from them. But overall Si polr is imo possible to observe in EIE but it can be hard to describe. A certain weakness, dissatisfaction, uncertainty of "body sensations". Sometimes too much ("neurotic") attention on health or hygiene. I don't claim this to be a perfect description of Si polr, but something like that.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
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