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    Default Which hurts more, PoLR or suggestive?

    In your opinion.

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    PoLR, of course. Suggestive is just work.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Suggestive. I don't know what to do about Se as directed at me. I expect people to apply Se to me very gently (that is, volitional pressure only as necessary). If an SXE were bearing down on me as forcefully as possible (especially an SLE, because an SEE would be all clouded by emotion that I could make fun of), I feel like it would be much more painful, ultimately, than just Te making me focus on stuff that doesn't matter.

    Of course, one of the most annoying things about your conflictor is the "leaking" of their demonstrative, which is your suggestive.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Suggestive is the weakest function, but PoLR is the most painful.

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    III Third Channel: Here, there is a striving (often impossible to fulfill) to be in harmony with the world and yourself. A person reacts painfully to any kind of pressure applied through this channel. The psychological function residing in this channel becomes, as a result, vulnerable to outside intrusion. Because of this, the third channel is called - Channel of the Least Resistance, or Vulnerable Channel.

    IV. Fourth Channel: This channel is usually called the Suggestible Channel. A Person is most susceptible to outside influence through this channel. The psychological function residing in this channel is the weakest of the four. A person is not at all confident in matters dealing with this function and obviously requires outside correction. However, on the conscious level, the person is nearly oblivious to information in this field and hardly perceives it at all.
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    Well, I think both cause annoyance in different ways:

    Criticism of POLR is highly irritating to me.

    If someone devalues my suggestive I think it's unpleasant, and if i had to be in a relationship with them I would think they're egotistical. I dont think criticism of it does anything bad--if anything, I feel like the person cares. It's more unpleasant if it's not addressed at all.

    Along those lines:

    Criticism of my HA or creative function is insulting, perhaps because those are key missions in my life. I think you had it right in your book actually tcaud, wasn't that something you mentioned? I think it rings very true for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Criticism of POLR is highly irritating to me.
    Not to me. I'm just like, "Well, duh! I'm a white triangle polar. What did you expect?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Not to me. I'm just like, "Well, duh! I'm a white triangle polar. What did you expect?"
    LOL but that's just because you know socionics!!

    oh wait i think the other major thing that happens with my POLR is i feel really self-conscious about it.

    Maybe it depends on the IM involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Suggestive. I don't know what to do about Se as directed at me. I expect people to apply Se to me very gently (that is, volitional pressure only as necessary). If an SXE were bearing down on me as forcefully as possible (especially an SLE, because an SEE would be all clouded by emotion that I could make fun of), I feel like it would be much more painful, ultimately, than just Te making me focus on stuff that doesn't matter.

    Of course, one of the most annoying things about your conflictor is the "leaking" of their demonstrative, which is your suggestive.
    HA!! I knew it!! you're not IEI!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    HA!! I knew it!! you're not IEI!
    me too
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    HA!! I knew it!! you're not IEI!
    lol. Um, okay. Does that make me Se-polr? lol.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    lol. Um, okay. Does that make me Se-polr? lol.
    Yeah, actually it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Suggestive. I don't know what to do about Se as directed at me. I expect people to apply Se to me very gently (that is, volitional pressure only as necessary). If an SXE were bearing down on me as forcefully as possible (especially an SLE, because an SEE would be all clouded by emotion that I could make fun of), I feel like it would be much more painful, ultimately, than just Te making me focus on stuff that doesn't matter.

    Of course, one of the most annoying things about your conflictor is the "leaking" of their demonstrative, which is your suggestive.
    I guess I'm kind of repeating the basics, but I'll just give my impression which is probably what you're referring to. I don't see a lot of Se dominants as stereotypically that "forceful" as in the dominating and rigid kind of expectation, especially girls of course. I see the power and self-control, but usually not the attempt at force or directness in application. I mean I know some Si-creative caregivers who are definitely more forceful and appear to hold that fake Se-stereotype. But it's often that EJ energy of "getting it done no matter what." So you of course might just not be attracted to EJs and I'm sure you're already aware of that, and I'm not attracted either, force or not. Often it is just that EJ "plan and direct" mindset that is a turn off, and not saying all of them are exactly that either, but they all have a certain directness and nonchangeablity about them. So when the plan comes about it feels like you're being sucked into their trap, even when they just feel they're acting normal. Se dominants are usually cool/controlled in their immediate environment, along with being more free and indirect like there's always something new/undecided. Since Se is about having direct attention of what's there, just seeing and involving yourself as things are, with no extra thought, I definitely see willpower coming in to play. And although type doesn't necessarily always determine that someone is forceful and throws volitional power at people all the time, with Se-extroverts I can see what you're talking about. They can be authoritarian and have an uncalculated stubbornness (if thats the best way of putting it) or just an uncalculated power about them that can be overwhelming, but with Se its still controlled and indirect--sort of hard to explain. Its a very temporary stubborness, an impulse on a leash, not rigid. So Se's typical acting and adapting, holding the vision and power of the present, to me is different in that it's usually more open, nondirect, more able to acquiesce, and doesn't feel as awkward as an EJ might, trying to be the administrator and force frame their plans and expectations on me or the situation, and the good thing about it is that it is usually more rational and steady, with less room for making small mistakes, but might not fit with other agendas. I think IJs see that EJness in a different light than myself, as definitely a positive thing, as though it's in control and on route to vision, where as the Se dominance has rather the vision of immediate physical tactics Ni types need, instead of the firmer ideological vision (but they're two different types of control, so there needs to be further explanation as to why one is more attractive over the other to the various types.) The easiest explanation is the simple difference of rationality vs irrationality, I presume.

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