But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Me and my limited pop-culture knowledge ahoy...
Alpha
ESE-Fe: Nausicaa (animated film)
SEI-Si: Neville Longbottom (Harry Potter)
ILE-Ne: Wheatley (Portal)
ILE-Ti: Professor Farnsworth (Futurama)
LII-Ne: L (Death Note)
LII-Ti: Ritsuko Akagi (Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Beta
EIE-Fe: Devon (Quest for Camelot)
EIE-Ni: Frieza (Dragon Ball) (could also be LIE-Ni)
IEI-Fe: Dumbledore (Harry Potter)
SLE-Se: Tuco (Breaking Bad)
SLE-Ti: Vegeta (Dragon Ball)
LSI-Se: Bagheera (Jungle Book) (?)
LSI-Ti: Mikami (Death Note)
Gamma
SEE-Fi: Jesse (Breaking Bad)
ESI-Se: Harry Potter (Harry Potter)
ESI-Fi: Tinkerbell (Peter Pan)
LIE-Te: Scrooge McDuck (Disney)
LIE-Ni: Walter White (Breaking Bad)
Delta
IEE-Ne: Koda (Brother Bear)
IEE-Fi: Mowgli (Jungle Book)
EII-Ne: Snow White (?)
EII-Fi: Gohan (Dragon Ball)
LSE-Si:Soichiro Yagami (Death Note)
SLI-Te: Archimedes (Sword in the Stone) (could also be ILI)
SLI-Si: Kenai (Brother Bear)
IEI-Ni: Phyliss Dietrichson (Double Indemnity)
IEI-Fe: Jennifer Check (Jennifer’s Body)
SLE-Ti: Vincent (Collateral), Terminatrix (terminator 3), Megatron (Transformers)
SLE-Se: Wolverine (X-Men)
ILE-Ne: Joker, Sauron (Lotr)
ILE-Ti: Gordon Gekko (Wall Street)
LIE-Ni: Keyser Soze (Usual Suspects)
LIE-Te: Negan (Walking Dead)
IEE-Ne: Elizabeth Iselin (Manchurian Candidate)
IEE-Fi: John Robie (To Catch A Thief)
LSI-Ti: Daniel Plainview (there will be blood)
LSI-Se: Thranduil (lotr)
EIE-Fe: Magneto (xmen)
EIE-Ni: Kylo Ren (Last Jedi)
SEE-Se: Baby Firefly (House of a 1000 corpses)
SEE-Fi: Kathryn (Cruel Intentions)
ESE-Si: Macreedy (Bad Day At Black Rock)
ESE-Fe: Gabriel Sheer (Swordfish)
SLI-Si: John Wick
SLI-Te: Mr. Blonde (Reservoir Dogs)
ESI-Se: India Stoker
ESI-Fi: Lorraine (Atomic Blonde)
ILI-Te: Lisbeth Salander (Girl with Dragon Tattoo), Nina Myers (24)
ILI-Ni: Kurtz (Apocalypse Now)
SEI-Fe: Marla Singer (Fight Club)
SEI-Si: Peyton (Hand That Rocks The Cradle)
LII-Ti: Niander Wallace (Blade Runner 2049)
LII-Ne: Emperor Palpatine (Return of Jedi)
LSE-Si: Don Logan (Sexy Beast), Vern Schillinger (Oz), Jack Bauer (24)
LSE-Te: John Krease (Karate Kid)
EII-Ne: Katherine Trammel (Basic INstinct)
EII-Fi: Hannibal Lecter (Silence of Lambs), Christina Scofield (Prison Break)
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Alpha:
LII: Spock (star Trek)
ILE: 10th doctor (Doctor Who)
SEI: scarlet witch (Marvel)
ESE: Goku (Dragon Ball)
Beta:
LSI: Darth Krayt (Star Wars Legacy)
SLE: Vegeta
IEI: Sephiroth (Final Fantasy)
EIE: Orihara Izaya (Durarara)
Gamma:
ESI: Mulan (Disney)
SEE: Kamina (Gurren Lagann)
ILI: Raven (Teen Titan)
LIE: Lex Luthor (Superman)
Delta:
EII: Superman
IEE: Aang (Avatar)
SLI: Indiana Jones
LSE: Sherlock Holmes
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William J. Blazkowicz - Stierlitz
Agent 47
Korg
Vegeta - LSI, Gorky
Palpatine - EIE, Hamlet
Tal'set - SEE, Cesar or LIE, Jack
Cyrus the virus - SLI
I've had so many ppl who don't even know about mbti tell me I'd like Walter White and insinuate I'm like him but not a villian, but it really bothered me how weak and unimaginative he seemed...maybe it was the direction conflicting with my own preferences...I couldn't get on board.
as one in thrall of cheap patriarchy, i love the character of riddick and although i don't know that i see him as the most badass fictional character, he popped to mind. he's not really different from characters like xena. it's a character that starts out warped and out of touch with ethics to some extent that goes on a journey from anti-hero to hero. riddick didn't quite finish this journey and the last movie was so bad qualitatively (even though it furthered the character arc because now riddick had to confront the question of compassion for those who he might generally see as not worthy of it, which is one of the things separating him from feeling humankind is worth enough to save) that i don't think they'll make another. but still i eat up cheesy things, and i always give more leeway to anything nearing the sci-fi/fantasy genre because i'm accustomed to bad films.
Spoiler Alert !!
I'm interested in how forumites would interpret Cliff Booth's TIM. Please don't bring any other system just used Socionics without mentioning any socionics schools because it only adds confusion, just go with your prefered school (you're biased regardless !). Don't analyse him and try to not be influence by the narrator's opinion. Just use the force or gut or intuition or whatever. What is that type according to you ? I't a type image calibration question. Thank you in advanced guys for your cooperation.
@Distance @SilentFace @necrosebud @Squirrel @BrainlessSquid
@fiorale Adam Strange @Lord Pixel
That's interesting. I've noticed that you have the tendency to "psychoanalyse" people and fictional characters. It's beyond socionics and Typology in general imho. Are you in field of psychology by any chance ?
Anyway, your opinions are very valuable. Indeed, Cliff Booth is more of an Idealized image, archetypal one could say, not so much a realistically written character. It's for this reason that I selected this archetypal character in particular because when people will try to type him they will tap into their type images and try to match it with the character.
You, Adam and Lord Pixel have well defined type images, that why I mentioned you guys apart from the other forumite I mentioned .
this helps too !
Lack is the Muse of all Poets
Starting from the top down, i get ESI impressions of '' guardian'' via character role. Nixing the other 15 types.
Point 1: def. ethical for other's regard, guarding from any defamation thru empathy concerns or channels.
2) Se type in ego, present minded in one dimension with da here and now force.
3) Not Fe, has no regard for it, he cares nothing about blending and sharing group values - in any togetherness, and mavericks his emotional independence.
4) Ne low, da PoLR, his perceptions of the world are that it is ''uncontrollable,'' tantamount to unpredictable, which is what that sentiment reveals.
Everything about the character is judging the distances and moving in thru them, toward the relations department.
As a guess the video author here is ESI himself, is also another impression i have.
Pick a strawman and you'll find a scared crow
The good news in knowing you are wrong is you are right
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I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
Johan also fits constructivist very well.. And negativist.. Negativist doesn’t = negative behaving person, but focusing on what lacks and the ways he gets others to commit suicide is this. I’d expect an iei more to use a fantasy that death can give in freedom..
EIE is really the only fit looking at it.. NF, Fe ego, dichotomies.. Not 1D Te..
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
Well, that's interesting. When I watched the series, I thought to myself that if I went through what he did, I would almost certainly end up being the exact same. Even if I didn't go on a murderous rampage, I would still develop the same type of detachment and nihilistic resentment towards people and society. (Which I guess I already possess on some level, since I was able to identify and relate to it almost subconsciously.)
The thing about Johan is that his character isn't as granularly developed or "revealed" as others in the story, plus he's got a bit of that fictional superintelligent "good at everything" angle to him, so boxing him into a socio-type is difficulting. That being said, his most prominent traits are probably his detachment and aloofness, which to me signals receptive-adaptive (IP) temperament and schizoid personality makeup. And considering his closest and most effective ally and right-hand man is portrayed as blatant Se-base, I think IEI/ILI makes sense.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
I don’t think he’s an Fe polr for ILI, but with abuse.. There is context to it of course, my own abuse even being why people misinterpret me as being an eie (out of stereotypes or what eie is, it isn’t even an accurate portrayal of eie in some models).. But there is a degree of a propensity someone will react to, a pull, if you will. It’s important to realize Johan is a psychopath and not a sociopath, meaning he was born this way already and was impacted worse in a secondary process through the abuse.
An emotivist with trauma and abuse would more react to their abuse as I have; with more emotional sentiment.
Going by dichotomies, Johan befits a constructivist and negativist. Because EIE’s are constructivists, they are more in control of their behavior than iei’s. (Though traumatic cases with ptsd would make exceptions, but he is still in control of his behavior, psychopaths as of current time are thought to not be able get ptsd, which maybe they do but it more is with intrusive thinking than emotion).
https://www.wikisocion.net/en/index...._and_emotivist
Even when Johan cries for the boy who lost his parents, that is well, could be some unrealized ptsd, but it is constructivism. Not that it’s the best definition of constructivism for this context.Constructivist
- Tend to minimize the emotional elements of interaction, preferring to focus on the 'business' elements.
- Have emotional 'anchors' (eg, books, films, places) which they use to support their internal emotional state.
- Can become 'emotionally hooked', and can have a strong reaction to a particular part or section regardless of their feelings towards the entirety.
- Have greater difficulty disassociating from others' emotions and experiences than from requests for action or consideration.
- “I prefer when people offer concrete solutions instead of comfort or sympathy.”
The indirect “request” Tenma made to want the president dead made him even target that president, the request of action, though Johan also did this for psychological manipulation and to frame him.
He is not capable of really forming relationships, Johan is not. Of course he’s a psychopath, but he will other than for his sister, completely throw away relations has had and be unable to maintain it. He relies more on the manipulation of peoples’ moods and emotions purely to impact the person, rather than build close relationships other than with that one boy. (Unless it’s end series that I missed).
Te PolR also just doesn’t check out for Johan.. He has no issue devising efficient plans of what will work and getting the facts in objective reality, he is far more present in external reality than in his own intra-psychical sphere.
It can argue that the way he has thrown himself in the direction of physical harm numerous occasions that adversely affect health and comfort is polr Si.
The only thing that doesn’t work as traditionally for Johan as an eie is EJ temperament, but when you go beyond stereotype of a present commander, he is still a leader who can take charge, he has done this in Kinderhine, with the discriminatory, racist individuals, etc.
(Also no, I am not old, even though this is an old series, I watched Monster around 2 years ago and watched 46 episodes of it.. Had some of my older friends tell me about it)..
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I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
The detachment and aloofness I would just put on his pure psychopathy. A schizoid rejects emotions altogether, and whilst this man has subdued expression, he moves towards manipulating others’ moods for impact of his agenda. The schizoid removes their own self from interacting with people altogether out of fear of emotional intrusion and letdown.
Like a true extrovert, he leads with an orientation of focus of the external world, it isn’t of his own, subjective vision (unless I missed).. He reads and judges the emotions of people and formulates a plan there-on. The most Ni lead Fe secondary serve thing in the series I saw was how he foresaw a vision in the kinderhein, but it is one instance and if he were a true introvert, subjective, inner mechanisms would lead in all of his thought process and decision making.
And the Te PolR I just don’t believe works. You can even just say if he hypothetically had any ptsd that is nonexistent in conception yet, for psychopathy, that it is dissociation that causes him to be subdued even further.
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
I don't know but I do intend to write them. C.S. Lewis said one of the main reasons he started writing was to be the author he wished he was exposed to as a child.
Write the fiction you wish you could have read when ye were but wee lass/maiden. Solid advice IMO.
Beatrix Kiddo is my favorite badass ESI
Palpatine is LII. SLE always portrays his supervised as evil, when he is in Truth upstanding.
The Trope namer for Rooting for the Empire.
EII: Obi Wan (Star Wars)
IEE: Luke Skywalker (Star Wars)
LSE: Robb Stark (Game of Thrones)
SLI: Link (Zelda)
SEE: Anakin Skywalker (Star Wars - Prequel)
LIE: Light Yagami (Death Note)
ESI: Jon Snow (Game of Thrones)
ILI: Neo (Matrix)
IEI: The Narrator (Fight Club)
EIE: Miroku (Inuyasha)
SLE: Dio Brando (JoJo)
LSI: Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)
ILE: Jack Sparrow (PoC)
SEI: Todd (Breaking Bad)
LII: L (Death Note)
ESE: Draco Malfoy (Harry Potter)
Special mentions:
- SEE/SEI: Goku. Looks way more alfa to me so it's hard to type him SEE; same problem typing Sonic.
- LSI: Sauron;
- IEE: Frodo Baggins
To me Near is ILI. L is a clear LII. To me the development unfolding over time its more his tool rather than what's matter him the most. His Ti lead approach in things is stereotypical. Fe suggestive also strikes way more than Fe polr. He his very receptive of Fe and quite chill too. Alfa seems also the most probable quadra for him.
Near is the opposite. Clear Ni, Fe PolR etc. Also way more in line with gamma.
Miroku doesn't seem to me LII in any way. I don't know why a LII should be "the savior" type. They are quite chill and keep in the place, barely moving. At least, ILE could be a better option. He is Extravert for sure, or an introvert with strong Fe.
Sonic is sensor, not intuivie. Doesn't give a shit about Te too.
Why copycatting though? I thought it was a curios idea to just type finctional characters for every type with making a list.