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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I would agree with SLI self typing because you've said several times that you do like emotions in your mate. I recently interviewed an SLI who said the same thing, but that's not the only connection that I'm making (but, just to let you know, LSE, generally don't like emotions in their mate).

    You also let emotions out before you rationalize, that's the collective unconscious that Jung often speaks about with irrational type. You put Si before Te, almost a lot lately, which is far more then any LSE would ever do. LSE, using Te, are geared towards the objective world, working, doing, doing, and doing. You seem to concentrate on Si far more then Te, although when you do get in the Te mode, you're quite accurate, fast, direct and precise, except unlike TeSi, you don't seem to do a lot of things until you get there, instead observing and when you feel you're most effective then you use your Te.
    Yes... i can see that, although I certainly do have traits of LSE such as talking to Ashton some days ago he mentioned 'Ne-HA' would be like not making up own mind, exploring too many possibilities, and this relates to me a lot. I don´t like the idea of settling down as a lawyer, it would be rather narrowing, but unfortunately everyone has to settle down as something professionally. Also, all my ex girlfriends told me one thing which also relates to that, they all felt as if I was with them only until a 'better one' showed up, two of them broke up with me because they felt I was too scattered around and was cheating on them (and I wasn´t in reality) and could not be trusted. Does this sound like an SLI? Idk... seems an SLI would be much more 'sticking to it' kind of guy who really doesn´t look at any other woman when he´s alone because he´s so much in love. I like cheerful women, to a point, yes, but I also like quiet ones. Quiet ones often don´t seem interested to I interpret lack of emotions as a sort of rejection. When they are cheerful, sometimes I just want peace and get tired of that, which they interpret as a rejection to their cheerfulness () .

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    Quote Originally Posted by None View Post
    Yes... i can see that, although I certainly do have traits of LSE such as talking to Ashton some days ago he mentioned 'Ne-HA' would be like not making up own mind, exploring too many possibilities, and this relates to me a lot. I don´t like the idea of settling down as a lawyer, it would be rather narrowing, but unfortunately everyone has to settle down as something professionally. Also, all my ex girlfriends told me one thing which also relates to that, they all felt as if I was with them only until a 'better one' showed up, two of them broke up with me because they felt I was too scattered around and was cheating on them (and I wasn´t in reality) and could not be trusted. Does this sound like an SLI? Idk... seems an SLI would be much more 'sticking to it' kind of guy who really doesn´t look at any other woman when he´s alone because he´s so much in love. I like cheerful women, to a point, yes, but I also like quiet ones. Quiet ones often don´t seem interested to I interpret lack of emotions as a sort of rejection. When they are cheerful, sometimes I just want peace and get tired of that, which they interpret as a rejection to their cheerfulness () .
    My father knows the value of relationships, other's feelings, commitments, and bonds (this is all Fi activation); but he concentrates on his ego functions which is Si and Te, and you already know what those are; he has been known to want to be very independent and my parents have been married for over 33 years, and I know that my dad is faithful (honestly, I don't know if he's chated or not, but if he has he would never EVER trade my mom in for another woman because he values Fi and he expects that my mom will also be faithful to him). He is a flirt and loves to go out to dance; when he was younger, he went to many parties with his young friends, leaving my independent mom at home with us kids and often coming home buzzed, but he was never violent. So yeah, it's about you finding that girl who will allow you independence to go out and flirt and have fun, but also be very devoted and faithful to you; my dad grew out of this stage and now doesn't want to go out any more, so the couple just stay at home and cozy up together. I think part of this is just a stage for you. Maybe you, like my dad, should not get married young and have fun until you're ready to settle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    So yeah, it's about you finding that girl who will allow you independence to go out and flirt and have fun, but also be very devoted and faithful to you; my dad grew out of this stage and now doesn't want to go out any more, so the couple just stay at home and cozy up together. I think part of this is just a stage for you. Maybe you, like my dad, should not get married young and have fun until you're read to settle.
    Thanks for replying but seriously, IS THIS SO BAD? FIND A GIRL WHO´S WILLING TO ALLOW ME TO FLIRT WITH OTHER WOMEN...A BIT HARD IN THE WEST THESE DAYS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by None View Post
    Thanks for replying but seriously, IS THIS SO BAD? FIND A GIRL WHO´S WILLING TO ALLOW ME TO FLIRT WITH OTHER WOMEN...A BIT HARD IN THE WEST THESE DAYS.
    Believe me, when you find someone you love, you will be very careful to keep your business out of the home and away from your immediate relationship; because, as you said before, you see it as a crime to hurt women's feelings, and I think that's something to admire in you. Just take it easy and don't jump into a commitment until that right person shows up. My mom never saw it as a problem in my dad and two of my previous relationships were with SLI types; I made it clear to both of them that I didn't care how much "fun" they had and how much space and independence they needed in a relationship, just so long as I didn't hear about their activities and that our relationship was not built on quicksand.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by None View Post
    Thanks for replying but seriously, IS THIS SO BAD? FIND A GIRL WHO´S WILLING TO ALLOW ME TO FLIRT WITH OTHER WOMEN...A BIT HARD IN THE WEST THESE DAYS.
    A girl who "allows" you to flirt with other women either is not that into you, or is very confident about how you feel towards her, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Thanks for the link, it´s very interesting, and sheds some light on how I can use easily and why I am brave...it sheds light on a lot of facts about ISTps in general so I recommend anyone who wants to know abt ISTps to read that entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    A girl who "allows" you to flirt with other women either is not that into you, or is very confident about how you feel towards her, imo.
    Yeah, I don't know if i'd feel comfortable with a women who 'allows' me to flirt with other women, which is different from someone who won't let me talk to other women!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words View Post
    Yeah, I don't know if i'd feel comfortable with a women who 'allows' me to flirt with other women, which is different from someone who won't let me talk to other women!
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    I guess I'm one of those repressive women who would not be happy with her man flirting with other women. And I would not request only to not hear about it, because that encourages dishonesty and deceit. Honesty and faithfulness are huge values to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    I guess I'm one of those repressive women who would not be happy with her man flirting with other women. And I would not request only to not hear about it, because that encourages dishonesty and deceit. Honesty and faithfulness are huge values to me.
    This. Of course, I enjoy flirting, so I should probably work on not being a hypocrite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    I guess I'm one of those repressive women who would not be happy with her man flirting with other women. And I would not request only to not hear about it, because that encourages dishonesty and deceit. Honesty and faithfulness are huge values to me.
    I'm looking for a normal ESTj, who is not like that either.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Default How to introduce socionics to an Ni-H-LSE ?

    I am talking socionics with an Ni-H-LSE. She seems very interested, but I haven't introduced her to her type yet.

    Although clearly LSE, she is not the most vivid representant of this type.

    She is interested in religion, art, crafts, clothes, human relations.

    I haven't talked socionics with LSEs before, so wondered if someone has some hints. It always feels a little senstive to introduce Soc. to new people.

    Any thoughts?

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    Maybe it would be interesting to see what type she ends up picking for herself and see if it coincides with your typing. If it doesn't coincide, then you can discuss it with her
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Maybe it would be interesting to see what type she ends up picking for herself and see if it coincides with your typing. If it doesn't coincide, then you can discuss it with her
    Hey, good idea. I almost never do that, because peoples types are so obvious, that I am not even interested in their opinion. But I think I should do that. The problem is that it's hard to find good type descriptions, and machine translations are hard to read. It can make newcomers suspicions, what is this gibberish?

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    I'm against introducing socionics to anyone, despite my own interest in the subject.

    A simple, "Do you know that you could actually predict your relations with other people, who everyone tends to get along with and why? I know of an interesting theory which I have been into for years and have experienced and observed enough to see that there is more than meets the eye" would be enough to pique my curiosity to the max, and to look it up on my own. As for introducing them to actual theory, throw them into wikisocion, the type descriptions, other socionics websites, and into the forum. You'd want to address their questions and point them to relevant threads to aid their understanding.

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    Tell her she's an Ni-H-LSE ESTj-Te INTJ 9w8-3w2-6w7 so/sp/sx, and she'll get right down to it.
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    It's tricky because they want to be loved for who they are and not just because they have one aspect about them that's appealing, and they want to hold knowledge and facts. I would say that you should make it clear to them that you're sharing what you like with them because they are your friend and because, as friends or close relation, you want their feedback and knowledge because they are very good about seeing how things work and how things are structured or organized, but don't burden them, they have their own things to do and don't want to feel like you're just another job. When they make time for you, you'll be sure that they are completely dedicated to spending that time with you and you can bring up Socionics to them then; you can maybe say that "this thing that I'm studying has helped me figure out relationship dynamics and which combinations work well and according to my understanding some of your traits are X,Y, and Z, but of course that isn't everything about a person."

    LSE still have their very well defined hobbies, goals, interests, and work that they do, and if they haven't made Socionics a part of that, it would be nearly impossible for you to fold that into their one other interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowisthetime View Post
    Hey, good idea. I almost never do that, because peoples types are so obvious, that I am not even interested in their opinion. But I think I should do that. The problem is that it's hard to find good type descriptions, and machine translations are hard to read. It can make newcomers suspicions, what is this gibberish?
    well i mean, not via descriptions, but just introducing her to the subject (i like inkstrider's suggestions that way) and after she studies it for a bit, see which type she thinks she is.

    A self-typing can be useful because people know themselves better than a bystander might. Though i have found that it's harder for me to type people that are very close to me and whom i know really well than someone i know less well just because of NTR factors causing confusion. The same could be true of trying to type oneself, especially when it comes to newbies, if they put too much stock into NTR things (e.g. Mt. Dew )
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    well i mean, not via descriptions, but just introducing her to the subject (i like inkstrider's suggestions that way) and after she studies it for a bit, see which type she thinks she is.
    I think it's good that people have descriptions also, not just dichotomies and quadra values, functions. I also gave her links to videos so she can see the types in actions.

    A self-typing can be useful because people know themselves better than a bystander might.
    I think a self typing is important because it forces the person to learn the model, and adress some questions. And also to compare onself to the definitions in socionics. Make the newbie mistakes and then correct them. It's a mental journey that everyone should make. If I give the type to her right away it will be more shallow from her perspective, and it will benefit her less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    It's tricky because they want to be loved for who they are and not just because they have one aspect about them that's appealing, and they want to hold knowledge and facts. I would say that you should make it clear to them that you're sharing what you like with them because they are your friend and because, as friends or close relation, you want their feedback and knowledge because they are very good about seeing how things work and how things are structured or organized, but don't burden them, they have their own things to do and don't want to feel like you're just another job. When they make time for you, you'll be sure that they are completely dedicated to spending that time with you and you can bring up Socionics to them then; you can maybe say that "this thing that I'm studying has helped me figure out relationship dynamics and which combinations work well and according to my understanding some of your traits are X,Y, and Z, but of course that isn't everything about a person."

    LSE still have their very well defined hobbies, goals, interests, and work that they do, and if they haven't made Socionics a part of that, it would be nearly impossible for you to fold that into their one other interest.
    I was discussing relationships with her and then I brought up the subject. It was natural, no problem. But different types have different ways of learning this. I for example never questioned the fact that people are categorized into types when I learned socioncs (I value Ti), but she did it right away. "How is it possible to do that when people are so different, and everyone is unique". So we discussed that. We dated in the summer, but it didn't develop into anything more. I think socionics shows well how people can have a hard time connecting despite liking each other. That's basically what we both felt, so that's nothing new, but socionics puts it in a broather context.

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    The real problem is, most close relationships already align themselves according to socionics. So for people past their 20s, it adds very little information.
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    Default LSE and interest in Socionics

    LSE are attracted to information that is factually accurate, aka scientifically proven. This is because Thought of the extraverted nature comes from without oneself and return to outside (gather facts and relate them to others to show that they are competent according to these facts).Why, how would an LSE ever be attracted to something like Socionics and actively participate in discussion related to this topic?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    LSE are attracted to information that is factually accurate, aka scientifically proven. This is because Thought of the extraverted nature comes from without oneself and return to outside (gather facts and relate them to others to show that they are competent according to these facts).Why, how would an LSE ever be attracted to something like Socionics and actively participate in discussion related to this topic?
    As you can see I spit socionics in every thread, every discussion I'm participating in, this one is not different. First and foremost, I don't think socionics is repository of factual information. A fact is something that actually happened or existed - it is based on observation - and referring to the scientific method, that is saying it is scientifically proven, and at the same time implying Te dominants actually flourish in such environment is a bit stretched to say the least unless you're into hypotheses, predictions and analyses that can be mathematically derived using Bayes' Theorem, you've got yourself not the duals you seek.

    But what do I know. Heck, if an LSE is not be attracted to socionics, that is a still Te dominant bloke, then an LIE is fucked as well, going by your logics or the lack of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Why would an LSE ever be attracted to something like Socionics and actively participate in discussion related to this topic?
    I don't do that boring theorizing stuff. I use socionics as an organized method for stereotyping classifying people. Socionics works. I ask people a bunch of irrelevant questions, come up with a mostly-unrelated type suggestion, they read the description and are astonished at how accurate it is. And I see people of different types interact the way socionics predicts. Sure, it's not proven. But neither is gravity, really. It's just worked perfectly so long that anyone who thinks it's fake is a nut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    LSE are attracted to information that is factually accurate, aka scientifically proven. This is because Thought of the extraverted nature comes from without oneself and return to outside (gather facts and relate them to others to show that they are competent according to these facts).Why, how would an LSE ever be attracted to something like Socionics and actively participate in discussion related to this topic?
    Your denunciation of + as the attraction "to information that is factually accurate, aka scientifically proven" is misguided. Leading functions are nothing more than the information aspect a person is most commonly receptive to and likely to reproduce. In the case of , this equates to the libido's positive attitude toward that which is objective and the activity of said objects, or in other words, how something is "supposed to" behave, act, result in ect.

    However, in accordance with the aforementioned, every objective phenomena has of course, it's own particular modes of operation; a framework so-to-speak. Therefore, we are presented with the question as to "what specific" information is being sought. Owing to the limits of human perception, all too common is the ready acceptance of that which does not actually coincide with science, as such. I know LSE's that harbor belief in God, or astrology and more often than not are they authorities within these spheres of interest. However, because the mind can perceive anything outside itself as objective, it means that the Bible and books on astrology are more than enough to satisfy the longings of a hungry . whether or not it's scientifically accurate is of minor consequence, what matters is that are sources which exist outside the consciousness which serve as verification. A dom, on the other hand, can content themselves with being their own authority on such matters, and are much more likely to devise their own opinions and ideological constructs which can serve as a basis for information.
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    Hi Maritsa. I already started a thread on LSE's and Socionics a year and a half ago, back in 2010. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-and-Socionics That thread already has 170+ replies, maybe we can combine the threads, if possible, moderators? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa Rob View Post
    Your denunciation of + as the attraction "to information that is factually accurate, aka scientifically proven" is misguided. Leading functions are nothing more than the information aspect a person is most commonly receptive to and likely to reproduce. In the case of , this equates to the libido's positive attitude toward that which is objective and the activity of said objects, or in other words, how something is "supposed to" behave, act, result in ect.

    However, in accordance with the aforementioned, every objective phenomena has of course, it's own particular modes of operation; a framework so-to-speak. Therefore, we are presented with the question as to "what specific" information is being sought. Owing to the limits of human perception, all too common is the ready acceptance of that which does not actually coincide with science, as such. I know LSE's that harbor belief in God, or astrology and more often than not are they authorities within these spheres of interest. However, because the mind can perceive anything outside itself as objective, it means that the Bible and books on astrology are more than enough to satisfy the longings of a hungry . whether or not it's scientifically accurate is of minor consequence, what matters is that are sources which exist outside the consciousness which serve as verification. A dom, on the other hand, can content themselves with being their own authority on such matters, and are much more likely to devise their own opinions and ideological constructs which can serve as a basis for information.
    So they're justifying it to themselves by considering the Bible to be a fact?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leckysupport View Post
    Overall I think socioincs on its own is completely useless due to reasons mentioned by everyone else in this thread. In fact I believe it to be so useless that I barely ever discuss socionics with other forum members in private and come to think of it this might be the reason I barely post.
    God, you are my dual and yet you can't think outside of the box in creative ways when it comes to the usefulness of Socionics, can you?

    Socionics can be extremely useful in the following ways and in the following reason:

    In therapy, for instance, you may get a Se base type, who is busy challenging the therapist, wanting to control the relationship, to force them to give rather than for the therapist to share his/her knowledge and help her/him, but if the therapist realizes the Se base's type, he/she may take more cautionary and direct approach to dealing with this initial stage.

    Knowing a person's type may get you to realize what people want from you in the first place. Because you know the kinds of things they are looking for in relationships with people. And, you know their social roles, too.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Hi Maritsa. I already started a thread on LSE's and Socionics a year and a half ago, back in 2010. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-and-Socionics That thread already has 170+ replies, maybe we can combine the threads, if possible, moderators? Thanks.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    So they're justifying it to themselves by considering the Bible to be a fact?
    Bible is socio-political commentary of the days it was written through and your ignorance is astonishing but like they say, ignorance is bliss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    So they're justifying it to themselves by considering the Bible to be a fact?
    You're missing the point. merely distinguishes objective activity to serve as the basis of it's information. The fact that their source is objective is justification enough, and that holds true for all Je types. Again, what they consider "objective" doesn't necessarily correlate with science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa Rob View Post
    You're missing the point. merely distinguishes objective activity to serve as the basis of it's information. The fact that their source is objective is justification enough, and that holds true for all Je types. Again, what they consider "objective" doesn't necessarily correlate with science.
    Give me an example of an objective activity that serves as the basis of it's info, please?

    Actually, I have a pretty darn good example of this, I just wanted to hear your take on it, but here it is:

    I had two thoughts of different topics and instead of sending two txts to an LSE, I sent only one and he asked "how are those two things related." I told him they were not and that I wanted to save space and put them in one txt; then he said "how efficient of you"; I said "I try"

    That's not the best example but it shows how Te is concerned about what's being done. I'm assuming I used my txts efficiently.

    Would me doing a scientific study about Socionics, in doing research, be an example of this?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Jedi, when you "like" Rob's posts aren't you judging the quality of his posts and the explanation hence using Te to do that; aren't you judging the "effectiveness" of his activity/explanations/job?

    "analyzes the rationale and functionality of what is happening or being done or said. "Quality" to a type is how well an object performs the functions for which it was made."

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Man, Idfk. This is too much work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa Rob View Post
    Man, Idfk. This is too much work.
    That would be Si
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I find it particularly infuriating that you can recognize on a dime but not
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