ESTjs and ISTps how did you get involved with socionics?

[Absurd]

Yes I agree it also had a positive impact on my posts because I like rules and I usually respect them.

That means I won't see anything about tits, rape, ****** and UFOs from you now ?

By the way, you typed WA SLE.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

fwiw, when I write on the internet I can use a lot of emoticons and exclamation marks when I know that if I was to say it irl my face and intonation would be quite poker, or at least, nothing like the emotion I convey over type talk.

Yeah, same issue I had when I first arrived on this forum, and had everyone immediately accusing me of being Beta NF.

I'm much more guarded now in my use of emoticons.

[Absurd]

I'm much more guarded now in my use of emoticons.

I use them all the time. The urge is so strong I can't resist it.

[Airman]

That means I won't see anything about tits, rape, ****** and UFOs from you now ?

No, you won´t.

By the way, you typed WA SLE.

I respect people´s self-typings. If she says she´s ENFp, she´s my probable dual.

[Absurd]

No, you won´t.

Oh come on, why not. One more time. Do it for daddy Absurd.

I respect people´s self-typings. If she says she´s ENFp, she´s my probable dual.

Does probable mean that you're 1% sure she is, or maybe it means you're 1% sure you're SLI ?

EDIT:

You wrote you respect people's self-typings. Can you tell me why did you vote SLE for me, you nazi overlord ?

[Suz]

That means I won't see anything about tits, rape, ****** and UFOs from you now ?

HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE LORD!!

[Absurd]

HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE LORD!!

Yeah, I'm concerned. All of a sudden he became mellow. Could be a fever - 107.6 degrees.

[Marie84]

I don't wish to get into any sort of debate over their types as until I see either in video I will refrain from suggesting what types they are.

Hey I might send pics or possibly a video, if I can borrow a camcorder, to the people on here who I trust, but I doubt I'll ever do so publicly. I prefer remaining incognito on the net; I mean, you never know whose reading this place and what they'll do with the information if they get it *is paranoid*
ftr I'm pretty sure I've only told Parkster my real name...

[Suz]

Hey I might send pics or possibly a video, if I can borrow a camcorder, to the people on here who I trust, but I doubt I'll ever do so publicly. I prefer remaining incognito on the net; I mean, you never know whose reading this place and what they'll do with the information if they get it *is paranoid*
ftr I'm pretty sure I've only told Parkster my real name...

I feel the same way. I dont even share pics publicly of people i know.

[Suz]

Yeah, I'm concerned. All of a sudden he became mellow. Could be a fever - 107.6 degrees.

Lol, delirium!!!

It could be more because of the new rules (Ti).

[Words]

Lol, delirium!!!

It could be more because of the new rules (Ti).

This is what I thought, I find it difficult to imagine an SLI, maybe even an LSE with such a liking and respect for rules as he mentions.

I also seem to keep being reminded that all this stuff about UFOs, ******, Freemasons reminds me of LSI interests, the fascination with the power and the collectiveness and the secrecy with all this sort of stuff, infact it sort of reminds me of user Jimbeam and the sort of things he talks about.

Of course i'm not saying None is definately Beta ST, it's just that there's comparisons there between LSI interests and an LSI forum member.

[Airman]

EDIT:

You wrote you respect people's self-typings. Can you tell me why did you vote SLE for me, you nazi overlord ?

Because you asked people´s opinion in a POLL and you gave all the 16 options for me to choose. So I chose one I think fits you best. Still, I will respect your self-typing in the threads and not talk about it UNLESS YOU ASK MY OPINION ABOUT IT. And it´s not that I think about your type, I just picked what I thought was fitting of you. You remind me of Mercutio with this unpreoccupied sense of humour, this kind of overly-confident demeanour. These are my reasons for typing you SLE, but if you say you're LSI, I will respect that.

[Airman]

This is what I thought, I find it difficult to imagine an SLI, maybe even an LSE with such a liking and respect for rules as he mentions.

I like the rules when the rules show a general improvement. This place was not in the least a serious place. It was a chaos. Rules brought order and also more serious discussion, which makes this a better, cleaner, more credible place. And discussions are more fruitful when there is no flaming. This is why I like the rules.

I also seem to keep being reminded that all this stuff about UFOs, ******, Freemasons reminds me of LSI interests, the fascination with the power and the collectiveness and the secrecy with all this sort of stuff, infact it sort of reminds me of user Jimbeam and the sort of things he talks about.

Of course i'm not saying None is definately Beta ST, it's just that there's comparisons there between LSI interests and an LSI forum member.

I find it hard, if I am really LSI, because I compare myself to other LSIs and there are differences, especially my lack of and instead use of . But really, I am open-minded to being an LSI, SLI or LSE. I consider any of the three possible, but LSI the least probable.

[Words]

I like the rules when the rules show a general improvement. This place was not in the least a serious place. It was a chaos. Rules brought order and also more serious discussion, which makes this a better, cleaner, more credible place. And discussions are more fruitful when there is no flaming. This is why I like the rules.

Then why did you go on about tits and flaming and arguing with people so much if you think the place is better without it, why the sudden change of heart?

I find it hard, if I am really LSI, because I compare myself to other LSIs and there are differences, especially my lack of and instead use of . But really, I am open-minded to being an LSI, SLI or LSE. I consider any of the three possible, but LSI the least probable.

OK, fair enough. My point was that your Se manifests in the Beta interests that I mentioned. I'd say SLI is least possible because what sort of SLI cares about Freemasons and ****** and world domination? I already compared you to Jimbeam so I wonder why i'm repeating myself, maybe it's a rejection by you of the Te information supplied in favour of Ti.

[Suz]

Because you asked people´s opinion in a POLL and you gave all the 16 options for me to choose. So I chose one I think fits you best. Still, I will respect your self-typing in the threads and not talk about it UNLESS YOU ASK MY OPINION ABOUT IT. And it´s not that I think about your type, I just picked what I thought was fitting of you. You remind me of Mercutio with this unpreoccupied sense of humour, this kind of overly-confident demeanour. These are my reasons for typing you SLE, but if you say you're LSI, I will respect that.

I find it hard, if I am really LSI, because I compare myself to other LSIs and there are differences, especially my lack of and instead use of . But really, I am open-minded to being an LSI, SLI or LSE. I consider any of the three possible, but LSI the least probable.

I mean it makes perfect sense that you would think so, considering you and Absurd are most likely from opposing quadras. You just have it backwards. You could be mistyping the "LSI"s in your life. Maybe they are really SLIs or LSEs. Also of note, often I think i am different from my identicals but that's just because I know myself so well. And like Ryu said (in another thread maybe?) its the psychological skeleton that you should pay attention too--identicals can be very different but in a non-type related way. The skeleton that I've appreciated in you so far is clearly beta. But hey take it for what you will. All your socionics is going to be off until you get your type right (I know because i mistyped myself initially).

[Suz]

Because you asked people´s opinion in a POLL and you gave all the 16 options for me to choose. So I chose one I think fits you best. Still, I will respect your self-typing in the threads and not talk about it UNLESS YOU ASK MY OPINION ABOUT IT. And it´s not that I think about your type, I just picked what I thought was fitting of you. You remind me of Mercutio with this unpreoccupied sense of humour, this kind of overly-confident demeanour. These are my reasons for typing you SLE, but if you say you're LSI, I will respect that.

I was subject to Mercutio's humor very often, especially when i first joined the forum, and i can say that his humor is very VERY different from Absurd's. Both have directed humor at me, and the difference just feels like a total 180o.

[Words]

Because you asked people´s opinion in a POLL and you gave all the 16 options for me to choose. So I chose one I think fits you best. Still, I will respect your self-typing in the threads and not talk about it UNLESS YOU ASK MY OPINION ABOUT IT. And it´s not that I think about your type, I just picked what I thought was fitting of you. You remind me of Mercutio with this unpreoccupied sense of humour, this kind of overly-confident demeanour. These are my reasons for typing you SLE, but if you say you're LSI, I will respect that.

I've spoke to Mercuitio a little bit, and i've spoke to Absurd a reasonable amount. Mercutio likes to bait people and test them, Absurd likes to joke about going for beers, having a glass of cider, which is the sort of things I joke about as well so we can talk about beer, relaxing, occasionally exchanged some you tube songs, we both like stuff related to chilling out and relaxing, which is the overall theme we share in common, regardless of the subject of conversation, could be said to be , certainly over .

If we talk about army stuff it's for a joke only, it's not serious, sort of a mockery of power and such, a mockery of . With you, it is different, i'm not interested in a serious conversation about Freemasons and ******, like how you've said you think the Freemasons is a good thing, that you like ******. There's no actual communication (although i'm sure you could fake it or simulate it somewhat), but that could just be because it's your demonstrative function.

Bottom line is that Absurds humour is focused and not focused. I think you should give all the extra information occuring here some genuine consideration, and place it in regards to your own intrinsic and natural preferences.

[Absurd]

You remind me of Mercutio with this unpreoccupied sense of humour, this kind of overly-confident demeanour. These are my reasons for typing you SLE, but if you say you're LSI, I will respect that.

Mercatron is passé. No one dresses her/himself at mercatron's. I never bought anything at mercatron's. Even if I did - humour would be the last thing I would buy. This guy has no sense of humour.

Where does it read I am LSI, hay for brains ?

[Suz]

Mercatron is passé. No one dresses her/himself at mercatron's. I never bought anything at mercatron's. Even if I did - humour would be the last thing I would buy. This guy has no sense of humour.

I agree completely. He would say something (that usually annoys me). And then he would say it's a joke, and I'm like oook??

[Airman]

I've spoke to Mercuitio a little bit, and i've spoke to Absurd a reasonable amount. Mercutio likes to bait people and test them, Absurd likes to joke about going for beers, having a glass of cider, which is the sort of things I joke about as well so we can talk about beer, relaxing, occasionally exchanged some you tube songs, we both like stuff related to chilling out and relaxing, which is the overall theme we share in common, regardless of the subject of conversation, could be said to be , certainly over .

If we talk about army stuff it's for a joke only, it's not serious, sort of a mockery of power and such, a mockery of . With you, it is different, i'm not interested in a serious conversation about Freemasons and ******, like how you've said you think the Freemasons is a good thing, that you like ******. There's no actual communication (although i'm sure you could fake it or simulate it somewhat), but that could just be because it's your demonstrative function.

Bottom line is that Absurds humour is focused and not focused. I think you should give all the extra information occuring here some genuine consideration, and place it in regards to your own intrinsic and natural preferences.

It´s interesting to see that some three days ago you wrote: 'the more I read the more this seems useless theory', and of a sudden you became an Enlightened Master of Socionics. WOW. 3 days. I really admire you.

And about mistery, occult things, conspiracies, and army, ESTj's are said to be very much into this, if you just read THE LSE DESCRIPTION at socionics.org and other such sites, which is not perfect but gives plenty of interesting information.

Still, when I talk about Power in general, War and Armies, (), it is not like something which really thrills me. What really thrills me is not the power , but the hidden knowledge, the secrecy, the secret societies and their secret rites and such things, which is far more related to (gathering information even if it is useless) and perhaps than to . Perhaps it could have some link to also.

I would like to add two things: First, I did not say Freemasonry was GOOD, I said it was a neutral secret thing, with good and bad people in it. Second, I don´t think interaction only through this forum is enough to type someone. Ashton for example was unsure of my type until we had talked a lot one-on-one on MSN Messenger, and then he said I was definitely not Beta, after asking me loads of questions over some two weeks period, and having informal conversations about life in general with me.

I really think Ashton knows a lot about Socionics and he taught me very deep stuff which I could then observe IRL about the Quadras, such as the fact that Betas like to talk about sacrifice and pain as necessary and good in order to be a better person or grow, and this is very characteristic of their Quadra, and this is one thing I don´t like abt them. They view life as a grandiose event full of battles and struggle, where the strongest and most resilient () win, and the others just lose. To me this is a ridiculous aggrandizement of life, which I view as a peaceful continuous flow, often very boring, towards death. And so it is much more important for me to live comfortably and with pleasure () than with strength and power (), because I really see not much use for Se.

[Airman]

this is for the jealous people who don´t like me so type me as beta, lol:

[Words]

It´s interesting to see that some three days ago you wrote: 'the more I read the more this seems useless theory', and of a sudden you became an Enlightened Master of Socionics. WOW. 3 days. I really admire you.

Well, I never said that people don't have types, what I was getting at was that in the context of real life there's many other factors that influence interaction and type is just one possible method. I don't want to think of people I interact with as a set of rules.

Within the confines of socionics, and the confines of the internet, I don't think you display related interests. I guess stuff like you wrote above, this confrontational stuff, I just don't see a need for it and it makes me not to be bothered to talk to you.

And about mistery, occult things, conspiracies, and army, ESTj's are said to be very much into this, if you just read THE LSE DESCRIPTION at socionics.org and other such sites, which is not perfect but gives plenty of interesting information.

Still, when I talk about Power in general, War and Armies, (), it is not like something which really thrills me. What really thrills me is not the power , but the hidden knowledge, the secrecy, the secret societies and their secret rites and such things, which is far more related to (gathering information even if it is useless) and perhaps than to . Perhaps it could have some link to also.

Well yeah, secrecy and all that stuff strikes me as Beta ST, especially ISTj. I could be wrong and if you are ISTp or ESTj then fine.

I would like to add two things: First, I did not say Freemasonry was GOOD, I said it was a neutral secret thing, with good and bad people in it. Second, I don´t think interaction only through this forum is enough to type someone. Ashton for example was unsure of my type until we had talked a lot one-on-one on MSN Messenger, and then he said I was definitely not Beta, after asking me loads of questions over some two weeks period, and having informal conversations about life in general with me.

OK you didn't say it was good but you said "The whole thing seems Beta ST to me. It can also be used for a big power-trip, for attaining some power, and for corruption, because of all these oaths and secrecy and brotherhood thing. I don´t see it as bad though"which in colloqual English if you say you don't think something is bad then at the least you don't have a problem with it, moving towards thinking it's OK, ie good.

Anyway I kinda feel a bit ridiculous with this conversation now, as I don't know why i'm entertaining it. I've nothing more to offer at this point and it just seems your response was a rebuttal in a defensive posture, based on at least your opening comment.

I really think Ashton knows a lot about Socionics and he taught me very deep stuff which I could then observe IRL about the Quadras, such as the fact that Betas like to talk about sacrifice and pain as necessary and good in order to be a better person or grow, and this is very characteristic of their Quadra, and this is one thing I don´t like abt them. They view life as a grandiose event full of battles and struggle, where the strongest and most resilient () win, and the others just lose. To me this is a ridiculous aggrandizement of life, which I view as a peaceful continuous flow, often very boring, towards death. And so it is much more important for me to live comfortably and with pleasure () than with strength and power (), because I really see not much use for Se.

Ah, well I think it's true that those who can endure the most pain and sacrifice in life do tend to be the ones who succeed in life. I'm not sure that's entirely a Beta thing, as there's plenty Delta and Gamma businessmen who've succeeded through working hard. I suppose when it gets to this stage I begin to wonder if you are applying far too much a formulaic approach to things, which although not conclusive, again just makes me think you are approaching things in a fashion.

Of course all of this could be wrong anyway.

this is for the jealous people who don´t like me so type me as beta, lol:

I suppose this is an example of something which irritates me. I'm not interested in competing with you and just because I think you are possibly Beta doesn't mean to say I don't like you. I guess I just see this sort of thing by you as quite possibly looking for an Fe rise, whether you realise it or not it's quite possibly looking to create an argument of Fe/Se themed expression.

But then, if people in Delta really don't like you, maybe that's saying something? I've made quite a few positive relations in Delta in my time here, but none in Beta, so I don't really feel ostracized like maybe you do.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

Well yeah, secrecy and all that stuff strikes me as Beta ST, especially ISTj.

Hmm, I don't think that really has anything to do with socionics. Anyone can be interested in that stuff (or not).

[Absurd]

Puff Daddy

Fantastic taste in music, wouldn't you agree, Shagbag ?

[Words]

Hmm, I don't think that really has anything to do with socionics. Anyone can be interested in that stuff (or not).

Yeah I agree. One of the sources I'm basing a supposition on is something I recall reading in Ricks blog before, something to do with Beta STs and a common fascination for powerful institutions, interest in hierarchial institutions, powerful people. Of course secrecy in many of those things increases the illusion of power.

Oh, I also remember Rick doing an analysis of ISTj Jimbeam based on similar things.

Betas are more interested in power aspects, and Deltas typically more interested in moral aspects over power aspects.

Of course it could be said that interests in ******, UFOs, Freemasons are aspects of Te gathering, but it's not unreasonable to see the common aspect of power, secrecy (and secrecy adds weight to somethings 'threat', Se takes more note). I just haven't seen him interested in anything else, apart from tits and rough sex.

[leckysupport]

Fantastic taste in music, wouldn't you agree, Shagbag ?

PhD - Player hater Degree

[Absurd]

PhD - Player hater Degree

Thanks for the clarification. Can you think of anything else besides Player hater Degree. I'm starting to like this.

[leckysupport]

Thanks for the clarification. Can you think of anything else besides Player hater Degree. I'm starting to like this.

Phallic hemorrhaging Disease?

Edit:

btw, I didn't invent the Player hater Degree thing. It's just a typical phrase commonly repeated by puff daddy and his people back in 1997, which to me for some reason comes off as comical and causes a rush of nostalgia.

Anyway here is ICP explaining the term:

[Airman]

@Words: you seem to really think that I am Beta and close the case, like the jewish Princess, Workaholic.

I don´t see any point in discussing Socionics with either of you. You have a narrow-minded approach to it. You have strange stereotypical notions of Socionics and then you say that it is me who is applying too much of formulae and you go on to say this is related to Ti, in a manner which does not respect my own self-typing.

It is not that 'the people in Delta don´t like me', at all. It´s actually just 2 or 3 people who don´t like me who are Deltas. The rest of them have no problem with me. And I know very well why these people don´t like me, mainly because they are arrogant and they did not like when I put an Ahmadinejad avatar or something else like that, for example a swastika. This is silly. They take everything I said on this forum seriously. Which shows a great nerdiness.

If you do not respect me, I have no reason to respect you, so we better end our interaction right here.

[Absurd]

Btw, I didn't invent the Player hater Degree thing. It's just a typical phrase commonly repeated by puff daddy and his people back in 1997, which to me for some reason comes off as comical and causes a rush of nostalgia.

Haha. It is comical. Thanks.

...like the jewish Princess, Workaholic.

You just called her Aristocratic.

I don´t see any point in discussing Socionics with either of you ... [blah, blah].

Why do you discuss it, then. Wouldn't it be easier to just put them on ignore TWICE just like you did it with me. It works as intended. If you don't believe me just check it for yourself

Mainly because they are arrogant and they did not like when I put an Ahmadinejad avatar or something else like that, for example a swastika. This is silly. They take everything I said on this forum seriously. Which shows a great nerdiness.

Your stupidity is superior than mine.

[Words]

@Words: you seem to really think that I am Beta and close the case, like the jewish Princess, Workaholic.

I don't know what the mods make of this but I reported you anyway. Making references to someones religion and that they are a princess simply because they disagree with you is bullying.

On another note, you should learn how to speak to and about women imo.

[xerx]

@Words: you seem to really think that I am Beta and close the case, like the jewish Princess, Workaholic.

Moderation: Infraction given for using a racial slur. This wasn't a playful joke or an isolated incident, but a pattern of racist behavior that's been going on since you joined. One more time and I'll ban you.

[Absurd]

He won't try it again. He's all about following the rules ...

I think I know where he got that "you and mercatron are the same" mumbo-jumbo from.

[Suz]

@Words: you seem to really think that I am Beta and close the case, like the jewish Princess, Workaholic.

I don´t see any point in discussing Socionics with either of you. You have a narrow-minded approach to it. You have strange stereotypical notions of Socionics and then you say that it is me who is applying too much of formulae and you go on to say this is related to Ti, in a manner which does not respect my own self-typing.

It is not that 'the people in Delta don´t like me', at all. It´s actually just 2 or 3 people who don´t like me who are Deltas. The rest of them have no problem with me. And I know very well why these people don´t like me, mainly because they are arrogant and they did not like when I put an Ahmadinejad avatar or something else like that, for example a swastika. This is silly. They take everything I said on this forum seriously. Which shows a great nerdiness.

If you do not respect me, I have no reason to respect you, so we better end our interaction right here.

lol get a friggin' life...

[Marie84]

I really think Ashton knows a lot about Socionics

I was going to write a big retort to that post and than I read this and said "what's the point?"

[Airman]

lol get a friggin' life...

This is Flaming. You´re offending me. You can´t do that here. You've got to respect the rules like everyone else. I got a warning for some word I said which was interpreted as pejorative towards you. You should get a warning for trying to flame.

[Absurd]

This is Flaming. You´re offending me. You should get a warning for trying to flame.

You should strap mercatron to your chest and yell 'MOVE OR I WILL BLOW HIM !'

[Beautiful sky]

I´ve been thinking about that a lot, Maritsa, and I am surprised to hear this from you. You always seemed convinced of me being ESTj . Lately though, I have questioned my type because of various reasons. But why do you think I am SLI?

I would agree with SLI self typing because you've said several times that you do like emotions in your mate. I recently interviewed an SLI who said the same thing, but that's not the only connection that I'm making (but, just to let you know, LSE, generally don't like emotions in their mate).

You also let emotions out before you rationalize, that's the collective unconscious that Jung often speaks about with irrational type. You put Si before Te, almost a lot lately, which is far more then any LSE would ever do. LSE, using Te, are geared towards the objective world, working, doing, doing, and doing. You seem to concentrate on Si far more then Te, although when you do get in the Te mode, you're quite accurate, fast, direct and precise, except unlike TeSi, you don't seem to do a lot of things until you get there, instead observing and when you feel you're most effective then you use your Te.

[UDP]

This is Flaming...

idk this whole thread seems pretty flamin'

a sort of flamin', to flamin' to function kind of train wreck.


"Too gay to function" is , by the way, a direct commentary on IEIs and Te polr.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

idk this whole thread seems pretty flamin'

a sort of flamin', to flamin' to function kind of train wreck.


"Too gay to function" is , by the way, a direct commentary on IEIs and Te polr.

With that kind of avatar, what do you expect?