2 kinds. 1 personal grant from an investor, which I am the least interested in or a grant, provided my grant writer does a compelling job of getting me the grant.Originally Posted by CILi
2 kinds. 1 personal grant from an investor, which I am the least interested in or a grant, provided my grant writer does a compelling job of getting me the grant.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
That was very noble of you Words. I like your posts, for the most part, and hope to continue seeing you contribute to discussions like you did in this post
That's more related to Ni, we've been over this before ->http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tml#post641023I'll help you see the connections and patterns (called activating your Ne-hence your Ne activation and my Ne creative); if you want it.
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
I want to puke.I'll help you see the connections and patterns (called activating your Ne-hence your Ne activation and my Ne creative); if you want it.
I owe you an apology as well. I didn't realize it, I thought I was just generating discussion, but my INFj friend pointed out that I provoked you by saying you didn't get along with Shagbag... I'll try to do better next time to keep my nose out of your business with other users. Then, I was just asking lots of questions like I do, to generate discussion, and to understand other people's viewpoints; but I can see how that can come across as harassment too, especially if I put you on the defensive from the start. So, in one word, sorry.
I think it would be awesome if you came out with some official break through. I can just imagine the reactions here on the forum.You're welcome to read about it when I've attained enough funding to test it on a big scale and publish the results in a journal.
Sooooo.... you're saying I should do something, but I can't do it anyway? Because I'm used to ignoring the process? That's encouraging....
LOL; you ignore it naturally, so, how can you do it when you ignore it? It wouldn't be fun to do it I think. Yeah, LSE ignore Ti. They ignore systems and go for efficiency. I like that. So, don't do it.
My boss is LSI; I dislike Ti in action because he's made something like 300 systems in the few years I've worked with him and each time he makes a new system, I have to make a routine and change it so often to accomodate the new system that I feel inconsistent and highly stressed.
I like Te, so ok I'm telling you to ignore it.
It's interesting that in SEE, they will put aside rules and systems if it doesn't help them accomplish a certain objective and with LSE, they will ignore making systems in favor of efficiency; also, LSE will ignore making rules, because rules guide systems, but that they favor justice, that may not be in association with systems and may actually be a confine of judging function, sticking to things that are right or wrong (morals, good and bad).
I'm over analyzing, sorry.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Ni sees events...in time...That was very noble of you Words. I like your posts, for the most part, and hope to continue seeing you contribute to discussions like you did in this post
That's more related to Ni, we've been over this before ->http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tml#post641023(not patterns and possibilities as they unfold)
Here's Ne:
Ne "Possibility" - NeFi, NeTi
A certain event is spreading in multiplying directions of potential events.
Ne observes and analyzes developments as static external possibilities that can be immediately acted apon. Ne thinks "learning a language is good in and of itself because it has innate potential." About the outcome, Ne says "well, that could have developed in any of these different ways, so it wasn't really set in stone." Ne absorbs information just because it has potential of development in and of itself. Ne takes an instance and develops it in many different directions of potential development.
Wiki on Ne leading:
He easily sees parallels between different situations [aka patterns], areas of knowledge or skill, and people, and likes to establish contacts across different fields of knowledge and social groups, which allows him to be part of many things at once. He enjoys considering differing viewpoints and perspectives and seeing if they can be reconciled.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 10-17-2010 at 07:41 PM.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Ni sees events...in time...
Here's Ne:
Ne "Possibility" - NeFi, NeTi
A certain event is spreading in multiplying directions of potential events.
Ne observes and analyzes developments as static external possibilities that can be immediately acted apon. Ne thinks "learning a language is good in and of itself because it has innate potential." About the outcome, Ne says "well, that could have developed in any of these different ways, so it wasn't really set in stone." Ne absorbs information just because it has potential of development in and of itself. Ne takes an instance and develops it in many different directions of potential development.
Wiki on Ne leading:
He easily sees parallels between different situations [aka patterns], areas of knowledge or skill, and people, and likes to establish contacts across different fields of knowledge and social groups, which allows him to be part of many things at once. He enjoys considering differing viewpoints and perspectives and seeing if they can be reconciled.
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
My stepfather is a Te base (probably LIE). He also wanted to know the practical use of Socionics when I told him about it. He goes along with my attempt to type him, though.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Influence.
It's a very practical reason.
So are enhanced decision making, and knowledge that is uncommon to others.
This is what makes me INFj...Lol. I don't mean to offend you, since you seem really nice (I agree with your mom!), but are you sure that you're EII? You seem different than the other EII/INFj's on the forum. Most of them come across rather shy, and you seem more bold and outgoing. You strike me as an extroverted feeler. And I think it comes across rather sensing when you prove yourself with your experience, how long you've been studying socionics, and whom you studied from. I would guess you're SEE/ESFp?
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/685019-post18.html
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Lol. I don't mean to offend you, since you seem really nice (I agree with your mom!
Superficially, yes, it could easily seem that way. It's humorously ironic in that Maritsa typed several delta NFs as SEE when she first came here, and only recently and perhaps reluctantly agreed to see some of them as actually not SEE.
Yes. In some ways.Lol I guess a lot of people disagree with you Maritsa?
However, I believe she is EII. I think if you can understand why Lobo, Minde, Marie84, and Maritsa (et al) are all EIIs, then you can come to understand socionics more fully. Martisa certainly has her way of going about things. . .
I wouldn't know for sure until I met her, but from my interaction with her, she seems like a peculiar EII example with un-typical cultural influences, for most Americans at least.
Even EIIs can be dogmatic in their interpretation or execution of their viewpoints. She sees herself as defending and preserving the truth, which she learned from a very respectable source/s, in her mind.
Good observation.
Interesting that you found your type, Mountain Dew. My guess from those pictures of you were of some ISTJ. But both can look similar and you smile too much, really. Seemed too happy and friendly for an ISTJ.
As a probable LSE, I was attracted to socionics in the same way I was attracted to every kind of occult, secret, hidden or little known system of knowledge which can be seen in everyday life and can bring some self-knowledge and knowledge of others. When a friend first told me about Socionics in an Enneagram forum I posted in sometimes, I was at first kind of amazed about the complexity of the system but also thought 'what a waste of time!' because the system seemed too complex to be something understandable and applicable in a short span of time. It´s been one year and one month since I started reading about Socionics and most of what I´ve learnt was either from this friend or from Ashton, in a more one-on-one manner through the internet. I think that socionics has this kind of 'esoteric' aspect, you cannot understand it properly unless you have some people as teachers who have already been into this for years and are able to explain to you a lot of stuff that isn´t written in wikisocion.org and similar websites.
But I totally agree with you about the part of being out, working or studying, or with friends, doing something as we perceive it, more CONCRETE and PRODUCTIVE. I really think the internet is addictive in a way and because you can work or do productive stuff using your PC, it also follows that you are going to have that temptation to visit websites which are useless and just fun, or forums like this one, which do not bring any concrete reward for your whole effort of understanding the thing - in fact this forum brought me a couple of 'internet enemies', some people here disliking me out of the blue.
But it´s just an internet forum and many times Te is more than good because you know that this is just some virtual - thus totally abstract and devoid of any real bearing on your life - place so you can ignore or just not visit the forum.
I hope the latest changes made here by the admins to make this place less of a trolling hell really go well as they have been going and so people can waste less energy on completely irrelevant arguments and flaming and the like and focus more on Socionics in a serious manner.
The more I read the more it does seem like far fetchedness to me. I'm just here for the banter now on chatbox pretty much.I was at first kind of amazed about the complexity of the system but also thought 'what a waste of time!' because the system seemed too complex to be something understandable and applicable in a short span of time. It´s been one year and one month since I started reading about Socionics and most of what I´ve learnt was either from this friend or from Ashton, in a more one-on-one manner through the internet. I think that socionics has this kind of 'esoteric' aspect, you cannot understand it properly unless you have some people as teachers who have already been into this for years and are able to explain to you a lot of stuff that isn´t written in wikisocion.org and similar websites.
Do you know your type?
Knowing your own type can help you a lot in your everyday life, knowing the IEs can help you even more. It´s not as useless as it seems at first sight and that´s a kind of plus to it because most people dismiss it as useless theory and they don´t get this kind of 'secret' knowledge ever. But hold in your mind that you won´t be able to take more than that from Socionics, like making money for example. Or getting things you want. Getting to sleep with some girl or guy. Many people seem to think that this duality thing is going to get them laid, but it won´t. You have to be a fairly interesting person with some life off a screen to get laid and that is a rule, unless you're a totally attractive female.
I think i'm SLI but i'm still considering LSI for some reason or other.
Yeah, well that's the thing, I want to get laid, make money and get various things I want, so I don't know what use the secret knowledge isKnowing your own type can help you a lot in your everyday life, knowing the IEs can help you even more. It´s not as useless as it seems at first sight and that´s a kind of plus to it because most people dismiss it as useless theory and they don´t get this kind of 'secret' knowledge ever. But hold in your mind that you won´t be able to take more than that from Socionics, like making money for example. Or getting things you want. Getting to sleep with some girl or guy. Many people seem to think that this duality thing is going to get them laid, but it won´t. You have to be a fairly interesting person with some life off a screen to get laid and that is a rule, unless you're a totally attractive female.
These two can be very similar but totally different in their Quadra values, so if you can distinguish that, you´re done with this.
It is of use to know yourself, which functions you are using and manipulate them, to control yourself and not be controlled, psychologically. You can be aware when you're using Si or Te, or Ti, and in that manner you can then use your functions as you intend for any given situation. I think self-knowledge is enough. To get laid and make money you are better off with self-knowledge.Yeah, well that's the thing, I want to get laid, make money and get various things I want, so I don't know what use the secret knowledge is
Sorry to be a buzz kill, but I don't resonate with anything that Maritsa lists when describing her Super Ego and Super ID, and only somewhat resonate with her self-described Ego; whatever type you or anyone else wants to think I am is fine, but we are not identicals
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
Yeah, this is what i'm trying to work out. I think I resonate with Delta values. At the moment i'm thinking there's other things which could be of more use to me, like understanding the opposite sex.
I suppose an example of socionics, is that someone I was involved with recently, at first I thought they were ESTj, then over time began to think this person is ESTp. Very controlling, always has to be the 'leader', disregard for others feelings except their own, little empathy, doesn't like discussing personal bonds, how we relate to each other, opinions on people or things, preferring instead to go, 'hey have fun' and laugh and in loud atmospheres.
Of course, could be that i've got socionics wrong and not got the persons type correct. One thing that bothered me was a disregard for peoples physical space, always forcing the environment to bend to how they want it instead of trying to 'merge' with it and make it more internally pleasing.
So I then think, it could not be type related and just something else, or it could be socionics and it's a clash of Se vs Si and Fe vs Fi. Either way I would have gave the relationship a go regardless, and the knowledge, well what does it change? Things will work out as they are, even if the knowledge is directly applicable here or it is just something else.
Possibly. I think something which is a good thing to learn is patience. That could be related somehow to weak Ni, or just a lifestyle thing.It is of use to know yourself, which functions you are using and manipulate them, to control yourself and not be controlled, psychologically. You can be aware when you're using Si or Te, or Ti, and in that manner you can then use your functions as you intend for any given situation. I think self-knowledge is enough. To get laid and make money you are better off with self-knowledge.
I agree with you 100%. You are very different from maritsa, so much so i don't think it plausable you are identicals what so ever.
I think Ryu the Pocahontas and Queen Mother Maritsa are both on crack.
Calling Ryu 'Pocahontas' sounds offensive. And with the new forum rules, this should not be tolerated. Just my 2 cents here. He should get a warning for flaming.
Okay. Maritsa is EIE.
This thread is now about EIIs more than LSEs.
What's offensive in Pocahontas you rule abiding UFO spotting and saluting gentleman ?
Thanks.hahaha
Nothing better than a bit inspiration in the evening. My muse Obersturmführer plays the right tunes, it seems.
Your muse? Wouldn´t she be a she? Are you into kind of falling in love with me or something like that?
Alright. Have it your way, Juliet.
Yes. I already talked about it with the mods and admins present on this board. They said, something like this will enrich our already rich forum and will bring more people, more tolerant people to the discussions. People who value interpersonal bonds between man (that is me) and woman (that is you).Are you into kind of falling in love with me or something like that?
What I'd say here is about what socionics is and is not: it is not about how gentle or aggressive someone is, it isn't about most superficial things. It's about how and why things are what they are.
I know an IEI who is an accounting major, very studious, reserved, disciplined, and calm. I know another IEI who is very outgoing, dramatic, theatrical, into the arts, much more into relationships and being promiscuous, and so on.
The differences between them are not socionics related (you could try to soup it up in some of the subtype theories, but, they are still the same socionics type). They were room mates together and they got along terribly because they didn't gel at all. I don't think Maritsa and Minde, or even Ritella and Minde, or other EIIs are all going to be the same and get along well or do things in the same way.
So when you say "they are no the same" or "not identicles" - alright. But I hope such a feeling is based on what socionics is (psychological type), and not but the most easily observable aspects of a person's personality.
The new forum rules seem to have had a positive impact on your posts here, Mr. Absurd. You seem to be starting to talk in a civilized manner. That should be a great motive of commemoration for all forum members. Keep up the good work you´re doing. Cheers for you.
I agree with you 100%. You are very different from maritsa, so much so i don't think it plausable you are identicals what so ever.
It's sort of a gray area since it's not an obvious slander; it really would depend on Ryu stating he was actually offended by this and even than, the Mods would have to discuss whether it's considered slanderous
While I agree with you I think it's better to form opinions on peoples types (in this sub-forum) subjectively, like "IMO (in my opinion) Maritsa is EIE" or what not. This just helps to stop flame wars from occurring
this is sweet, thank you :redface:
This is where I'm rather confused, because I don't see how you can be applying Socionics over superficial qualities and stereotypes in this case, unless we have a vastly different understanding on what the IE's mean, which is possible; this isn't the first, and probably not the last time, I've disagreed with you
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
Yes. The part about the Mods having to discuss it is kind of obvious. Unless Xerxes made himself a new Mussolini in this forum, which I don´t think he did.
I wanted to call the attention of Mods like yourself to the possibility of flaming and even the decision of the treshold in which a statement is considered a flaming. This is just pure contribution to the forum and should not be met with hostility or any negative bias because my intents are not to stimulate a ban on anyone neither nor to put any negative energy here. I think people should just behave by the laws which have been in place. Which is what is mostly happening.
If that's how Maritsa's type eventually pans out, would you feel comfortable saying she shares much more in common with you (Beta, IEI) than with Marie (Delta, EII)?Marie uses. Maritsa uses
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fwiw, when I write on the internet I can use a lot of emoticons and exclamation marks when I know that if I was to say it irl my face and intonation would be quite poker, or at least, nothing like the emotion I convey over type talk.One uses Fe looking writing often or maybe I am wrong and it is Se but often it LOOKS LIKE THIS!!!!!!! especially when she is angry or upset
If Shagbag can be EII, I don't see how Maritsa can't be one either.
Actually, the new forum rules have had a positive impact on -YOUR- posts, obersturmfurher. I'm sure most people here appreciate that.The new forum rules seem to have had a positive impact on your posts here, Mr. Absurd. You seem to be starting to talk in a civilized manner. That should be a great motive of commemoration for all forum members. Keep up the good work you´re doing. Cheers for you.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Yes, you are SLI.
I'm saying this because it is obvious that you do put Si before Te, even though you do observe moments of Te, it doesn't take precedence over Si.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 10-21-2010 at 03:24 AM.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I´ve been thinking about that a lot, Maritsa, and I am surprised to hear this from you. You always seemed convinced of me being ESTj . Lately though, I have questioned my type because of various reasons. But why do you think I am SLI?Yes, you are SLI.
I'm saying this because it is obvious that you do put Si before Te, even though you do observe moments of Te, it doesn't take precedence over Si.
At first, I thought socionics might help me put some terminology to understanding people and their differences, and how I get along better with some rather than others.
Now I see socionics as very subtly addressing certain elements of the psyche that are extremely clear; and I see how socionics is related to a person's mental framework. Almost like their psychological skeleton. What they do with that skeleton varies, but the skeletons are the same.
Enneagram deals with emotions and instincts; which is different from socionics, in the sense that it addresses a different aspect of what creates someone's personality.
It is useful to have terminology to refer to various phenomenon.
Socionics is an incomplete system in terms of what a person is and does... but I think that phrasing is off; to me, socionics wasn't supposed to be a complete system, or to me at least it never tried to be complete. It has it's own, restricted area of jurisdiction. It only seems useful within the context of understanding other things (first and foremost, understanding people and having experience with knowing people is key...)
Yes I agree it also had a positive impact on my posts because I like rules and I usually respect them.
Thanks for that, my possible dual
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