Quote Originally Posted by greenantler View Post
Well.. I usually look for temperament indicators first, and these have an introverted feel:

Thanks for the reply, let's see if I can answer some of these...


I figured Fe>Te because I'm reminded of two IEIs I know irl who seriously lacks motivation and spends time locked in their rooms playing computer games, but that's a flimsy indicator.

It's sensible, though. In dictionary terms I'm definitely an introvert, but in socionics terms, I'm not sure.


Your introductory post centers on 1) your values 2) people and how you feel about them.

Are values a strictly ethical thing, or do logical types have those as well? I'm under the impression that the judging processes are all based on subjectively valued information and so they all have values. Do I have that right or am I way off base?


May equally be seen as a manifestation of Ti PoLR. Perhaps you could describe in more detail what pisses you off in being given overly detailed instructions. Is it due to you finding these instructions unnecessarily complicating things, and that you could accomplish things way faster without it, or because you want to take your time in doing the particular task by expending the least energy possible?

Hmmm... In a way I would say both. To give you two examples:

1) At work, we have a new Grocery person who isn't very well liked by the people manning the front (I work as a cashier in a grocery store by the way). Essentially, most people find her to be very condescending. The other day our lobby person didn't face the candy. In industry speak, "facing" is where you basically make sure all the rows upon rows of items all look neat and orderly, which involves manually rearranging all of it so that everything's pointed the right way and even. So, basically, the most tedious, seemingly useless job you could be asked to do. I get that it's important to have straight, neat looking aisles so that people see that and feel like the store is clean and nice, but just, please, inflict the task on some other poor bugger, not me.

Anyway, lobby person skipped out on facing the candy and so this Grocery person tells me to do it and essentially manages to imply that I'm lazy and a moron in doing so. I realize its just her personality, but when someone takes half a minute to tell you to do something you know all too well how to do and then takes the unnecessary step of telling you how to do it, well, that makes anyone feel like a moron.

My dad feels the need to do this whenever he asks me to do menial stuff around the house out of some kind of compulsion. Like, in the same breath as he's telling me to do it, he's telling me how to do it too. Like I haven't mowed the lawn before, dad, its not that hard. He often gives me a confused look when I point this out to him and just says, "well, ooo-kay." and leaves me to it.

2) As another example, of expending as little energy as possible, as cashiers, we're expected to suggesitive sales, where we'll have an item sitting at our checkstands and we're supposed to suggest to people that they buy it. Problem is, the stuff we sell is usually the last thing a person would ever need or really even want, so few people actually want the stuff and those that do usually just ask about it and buy it before I even suggest it to them. So I just stopped doing suggestive sales completely. Why waste breath selling something someone doesn't want?

In another example, we usually have a lot items ring up incorrectly. I'm not sure why this keeps happening, so I just assume its a normal grocery store thing. Anyway, its usually the customer who points this out, so from there I have three options

1) Say, "Well I dunno why its wrong, I'm just a cashier."
2) Call the department the item belongs to and verify the price or, just run to the shelf the item is on and verify it myself since that's faster than waiting for some department guy to get to the phone.
3) Just say, "Sorry, I'll fix that for you" and give them whatever price they think the item is supposed to be.

Unless the guy seems really shady or the price is way off from what the computer quotes it, I just go straight to Option 3. The computer is usually wrong in these cases and this way I don't hold up the line behind them or piss them off. Much less energy spent.


Also, how capable do you think you are in getting work done? Do you require a lot of pushing and forcing?
Depends on the work really. At work I will do any little thing demanded of me because when I'm working I can't possibly be looking at a clock so then the time goes by faster and I can get out of there. That and people seem to be very appreciative of my hard work, so, yeah.

With school though, I tend to just wait until the last possible minute. Most of the time I just look at my work and think, "how is this even helping me at all?" I mean, at work there's a reason to be interested in working hard because, well, they're paying me to work hard. With homework I often just feel like every assignment I'm given isn't to further my knowledge or to help me with my education, but rather just because the teacher needs to put something in her grade-book. Hell, just this week I had a portfolio to turn in for my Visual Communications class that I was supposed to spend perhaps an afternoon carefully working on it. I had several opportunities to do this and didn't.

What could I possibly learn from an arts and crafts project, I thought. I know the visual design principles, so what is this going to help me with? So, essentially, I just bought all the supplies I needed from the university store sat myself in front of a computer in the library and in no less than an hour I had my entire project finished and ready to hand. A little patchwork, perhaps, but still better than having no assignment to turn in at all.

And when it comes to housework, fuggedaboudit. I often let papers and books and pens and miscellaneous items pile up and I let dust settle and coffee rings form everywhere and I notice it and it bothers me, but I tend to not get around to cleaning it until, say, three weeks after the fact where I just scrub down every surface, put every thing in its place and fill every place with a thing, vacuum every nook and cranny, and leave my whole space looking like its never been lived in before.

...and then I promptly let it go to hell again almost immediately. But whatever. Point being, getting me to work requires some kind of motivation. Not necessarily external, though that certainly helps.


You say here, that this friend of yours correct your speech slurs. Why are you not offended by him, yet having your grammar corrected by the person above pisses you off? Or are they the same person?
Same person. He does it because he knows that it gets under my skin. Or maybe he doesn't know that and its just a compulsion he has. I'm not quite sure. Point being, it bothers me, but its him, so I just give him shit back and we're all good.

Friend 1 sounds like an Fe-PoLR.
Hmmm... So that would be Te-creative, Introverted, and Irrational? This sounds like it would suit him actually... I should look this up...