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    I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding the socionics descriptions of Ne that I've come across (which is bad, since it's supposed to be my creative function). I thought I understood it pretty well in MBTI terms, though. Are they pretty much the same in both systems? Are there any differences I should be aware of?

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    Yeh, at the very least there would be different in socionics because there is a lot of emphasis on intertype relations and Ne has been to some extent shaped to meet the interactions of the different types (i.e. Ne is slightly defined by its interaction and relation to both Se and Si). If there is some particular aspect of the description you are interested in exploring (like Se/Si socioncs ~ MBTI difference) I'm sure we could help you if you made a more specific request.

    If you're looking specifically for all diferences, I'm not a familiar with MBTI so I'm afraid that's the only difference I'm aware of.

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    Okay, my understanding of the characteristics of Ne in MBTI are:

    "brainstorming"
    using one's imagination.
    open-minded consideration of ideas.

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    in socionics sounds more like considering different options, exploring new possibilities, being excited by new possibilities even if you havent exhausted the old ones etc.

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    If I remember right, MBTI Ne is about idea generation. Socionics Ne is about seeing the essence of things or seeing how things could be or have the capacity to become. Basically seeing things for what they are not. So Ne types tend to look at the world idealistically and with a sense of curiosity like there's always something unknown out there to be found. Of course, that's more the case with Ne-base. Ne-creative tend to be more analytical and look for hidden patterns and come to understand them thoroughly. Basically Ne-types are just never satisfied with taking something as it appears to be, but they can sometimes fail to see the simplicity of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    in socionics sounds more like considering different options, exploring new possibilities, being excited by new possibilities even if you havent exhausted the old ones etc.
    I think this is part of MBTI Ne descriptions, too...I ran out of time earlier writing my first post...

    MBTI Ne is also concerned with patterns, I think...

    MBTI Ni is all about finding hidden possibilities; waiting for that "aha!" moment; combining elements to generate an emergent new idea that hadn't occurred before...It is also concerned with symbols and interpreting meaning. Ni users often find they have a hard time explaining their ideas to others, and how they came to their conclusions, as they often can hardly even explain it to themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    I think this is part of MBTI Ne descriptions, too...I ran out of time earlier writing my first post...

    MBTI Ne is also concerned with patterns, I think...

    MBTI Ni is all about finding hidden possibilities; waiting for that "aha!" moment; combining elements to generate an emergent new idea that hadn't occurred before...It is also concerned with symbols and interpreting meaning. Ni users often find they have a hard time explaining their ideas to others, and how they came to their conclusions, as they often can hardly even explain it to themselves.
    They are mostly very similar to one another, the problem is that many people which to be a certain type and ignore the information that they actually produce. Like, they don't look back and read what they write. common thing in human nature.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Ooh I like this topic.

    Nes will doll out suggestions, whereas Nis will absorb the 'purity' of the essence. Generally speaking, Ni is critical whereas Ne is constructive. Deltas are very 'active' in the real world, and like to give out advice, because it's like they're always seeing themselves as helpful. Betas naturally study their own shadows more, and are less likely to be outwardly helpful unless pushed or shoved. (usually by a delta trying to change them)

    Nis want to 'go deeper into something' and pierce down an issue, but Ne is more like 'you should try this instead.'

    (this is all purely true, but you have a lot of variations depending on where Ne and Ni is in your psyche) Ni is very pure, (Ni types more prone to put a 'pretty bow on things) and Ne-valuers suffer from doing the opposite, being too varied and seeing too many things at once. (they are more scattered and bipolar about what they want in life)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Betas naturally study their own shadows more, and are less likely to be outwardly helpful unless pushed or shoved. (usually by a delta trying to change them)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Ooh I like this topic.
    lol, I thought that was funny, but all-in-all pretty accurate.
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    Ne is ideas; NeTi sees how ideas fit into systems; INFj's can produce ideas, possibilities, branch like thinking and coupled with Ni demonstrating can see how events can develop in time. Forgot, Ne observes patterns of behavior as well; not just behavior, but patterns of everything.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Ooh I like this topic.

    Nes will doll out suggestions, whereas Nis will absorb the 'purity' of the essence. Generally speaking, Ni is critical whereas Ne is constructive. Deltas are very 'active' in the real world, and like to give out advice, because it's like they're always seeing themselves as helpful. Betas naturally study their own shadows more, and are less likely to be outwardly helpful unless pushed or shoved. (usually by a delta trying to change them)

    Nis want to 'go deeper into something' and pierce down an issue, but Ne is more like 'you should try this instead.'

    (this is all purely true, but you have a lot of variations depending on where Ne and Ni is in your psyche) Ni is very pure, (Ni types more prone to put a 'pretty bow on things) and Ne-valuers suffer from doing the opposite, being too varied and seeing too many things at once. (they are more scattered and bipolar about what they want in life)
    Could you please elaborate on the bolded? I am interested in understanding what purity of essence means as well as the eagerness of deltas to change betas. I am also unsure of what you mean by Ne's relationship to bipolarity and scatteredness when it comes to what 'one wants out of life'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding the socionics descriptions of Ne that I've come across (which is bad, since it's supposed to be my creative function). I thought I understood it pretty well in MBTI terms, though. Are they pretty much the same in both systems? Are there any differences I should be aware of?

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    Ne and Ni are both based on Time at their core.
    Given an object, person, or group of people treated as a whole, it/they contain certain sets of properties; i.e., what set of data, information, physical properties are available to select from. Each point that exists within a data set can be independently chosen or placed into a subset. In example, a General Store contains multiple different items that are available to choose from.
    So, how does this relate to time? Given the object, the choice of which internal property or subset to choose affects how time will be affected from this point onwards. The same applies when expanding outward. What is "my day" other than an object? Of all the available properties of "my day," I may select any property or set of properties to choose, and subsequently affect how time transpires. Back to the General Store, I could buy plates, cake, and a stereo, and I have a part for "my day." I could buy a hammer, some nails, balloons, some wood, and some darts, and build myself a dart balloon popping game in the backyard for "my day." So, the General Store has the potential to offer me to do a multitude of things in "my day," but does not contain the same potential that a Pet Store would. Within "my day," which store I go to, or if I go to a store at all or just lay in bed, is the potential of my day. Each choice we make is one of potentials.
    When utilizing Ne, energy is exerted to receive information back on the specific potentials available. For instance, if I Ne an SLI, and say, "we could go to an amusement park today." What am I really doing besides making an information request to see if the SLI has "likes amusement parks" in his potential? If I say to myself, "I could go to the amusement park, the general store, or the pet store today," what am I really doing, besides making a request to myself for how much potentiality I have for each? If I am met in return with an internal "no" to all three, then I know the potential for such is not there, and I will likely lay on my couch all day. All Ne is an information request issued by energy exerting to determine potentials.
    How does this relate to Ni? Well, given limitless potentials and possibilities available, the choice of potentials grants us a perception and comparison of how our futures will play out given what potential is chosen as our starting point. We could start from any available potential; however, each potential contains it's own future, which may not be the most conducive to the creation or choice of potentials in "our life." Surely, if I chose to have an expensive party every day for my friends, my potential in the distant future to have an expensive home would be diminished. In this fashion, Ni is a comparison of potentials, of Ne, between the past, present, and the future. What potential we have now, what potential we have in the future, and the same for others, objects, relationships, and society at large, and the lines connecting such... This is Time. This is Intuition.
    Or... I could increase my Space, my Sensing, to expand my potentials available, if my current ones are too difficult to perceive... Hmmm...

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    I'll just drop quotes.

    Ne is generally associated with the ability to recognize possibilities, create new opportunities and new beginnings, recognize talent and natural propensities in others, reconcile differing perspectives and viewpoints, rapidly generate ideas, and be led by one's intellectual curiosity and stimulate curiosity in others.

    Types that value Ne prefer to try out an opportunity rather than consider all possible ways in which it could not work out. They pick a few options and stick with them, in contrast to introverted intuition Ni types who pick one option and continue to doubt that option.

    They enjoy discussing unusual insights into the nature of the world and crazy out-there ideas, like space elevators. Typical Ne quadra humor juxtaposes seemingly unrelated phenomena.


    So I'm likely to write a book about a topic, hate the topic, scrap the entire book, rewrite the book, think what I did was better before, and then eventually try and rewrite what I did before from memory. Ne is probably what my friend did when I told him that he should simply write his book. He decided to then start rhyming to me after I wrote a poem. I then was quite unamused at this, as he wasted about an hour doing this. I wrote a poem, which was not much better, but at least I have the poem. He then learned emojis exist, and played with that for a while. That's probably not Ni/Se. And also probably not Te/Fi. It could be Ne/Fi, but then I need to shuffle some people around. I already do, but I'm not worrying about it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Person View Post
    One aspect of for me is that it's keen on generating new knowledge, unproven yet potential knowledge, and applying it. This knowledge doesn't have to be interesting or clever, it just has to be unconventional. My ILE friend and I demonstrate this by making up funny little stories on the fly by trying possibilities on as real facts and seeing what happens, in their imaginary development. It's humorous. Ne-ego physicists demonstrate it by reaching bold new assumptions no one else would find reason to jump to as brainstorming hypotheses, and because of Ne's sheer intuitive capability, it often lands on something useful. ie. Nikola Tesla and Albert Einstein, ILEs. An emphasis on usefulness is a large difference between Ne ego vs just Ne valuing.
    I would add that for IEE, at least, it's not so much an _intent_ to brainstorm/generate new ideas as much as various ideas that might fit just start popping up naturally.
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