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    So I'm a pretty strong INFJ in MBTI. I seem to relate better to the EII description than IEI, but I'm hoping maybe some of you might have some good qualifier questions to help me figure out which one I really am, since I have some things in common with both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    So I'm a pretty strong INFJ in MBTI. I seem to relate better to the EII description than IEI, but I'm hoping maybe some of you might have some good qualifier questions to help me figure out which one I really am, since I have some things in common with both.

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    So you are INFJ and relate best to EII.

    Why the heck do you doubt about IEI then?

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    If you're only investigating IEI 'because j and p flip-flop between mbti and socionics, I think the consensus now is that's not true so you might not even need to consider it.

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    Another XXXX=XXXx in the box eh? This is getting way too easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevENTj View Post
    If you're only investigating IEI 'because j and p flip-flop between mbti and socionics, I think the consensus now is that's not true so you might not even need to consider it.
    I understand that. I'm only still considering it because some INFJ's can be IEI's. And also because, when I first got really into MBTI and functions, I could see a lot of Ni use in myself. But then, I've also always had a strong Ne. And Fi and Fe are both quite strong as well. And of all the dichotomies, the J/P was the most difficult for me to figure out, but I finally settled on INFJ because it fit me so perfectly.

    I can't say the same about EII, though it still seems a better fit than IEI, for the most part.

    You know what, though. After just reading the IEI and EII descriptions from wikisocion again, I think the latter is definitely a better fit than I first thought.

    And I can say with absolute certainty that I am not a Beta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    I understand that. I'm only still considering it because some INFJ's can be IEI's. And also because, when I first got really into MBTI and functions, I could see a lot of Ni use in myself. But then, I've also always had a strong Ne. And Fi and Fe are both quite strong as well. And of all the dichotomies, the J/P was the most difficult for me to figure out, but I finally settled on INFJ because it fit me so perfectly.
    First of all, elements and functions differ between systems, especially as they're understood in online communities. I could never relate to Ni-dominance as it's fainted over on some INTJ forums, but socionics made it quite clear that neither was I Ti-dominant. I don't have a problem with being INTP/INTp. MBTI simply doesn't work all this well matching dichotomies with functions.

    Also, I think that hard to determine MBTI P/J points towards a static type, as this dichotomy contrasts typical Ip/Ej characteristics. Though I suppose subtype could affect this as well.

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    If you're confused between strongest functions, sometimes it's easier to type yourself by weakest function (polr), and even by temperament.

    EII: IJ temperament, Polr, hidden agenda, Delta quadra
    IEI: IP temperament, Polr, hidden agenda, Beta quadra

    You can read about all of that stuff here and elsewhere.

    Most people here thought and viewed me as an ENTj for awhile, but I just couldn't relate to what it meant to have a polr and an hidden agenda, which can be interpreted as 'to be powerful'. Just not the type of person I am. I can 'switch hit' for quite awhile and be either EJ or IP, but I'm definitely 'most comfortable' at rest (IP) and not out doing stuff (EJ).

    You can go through a similar process that way with yourself and see what makes the most sense.

    Oh also look at quadra values, editing in above. Delta vs Beta is a pretty big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ananke View Post
    Answer these questions as honestly as you can.

    1. Describe the perfect hierarchy.
    2. What kind of power people (that others seem to admire) annoy you? Why?
    3. Why do people kill others?
    4. Describe the perfect boss (for you) and what she does that makes it easy for you to succeed.
    Oh gosh, those are too deep for me... Not that I wouldn't enjoy discussing them, but it would take me pages and pages to type up all my thoughts, and then to pare it all down and organize it into something structurally sound...there just aren't enough minutes in the day!

    But good food for thought nonetheless
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    organize it into something structurally sound...
    And we haaaaaave a winner! INFj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    And we haaaaaave a winner! INFj.
    Haha, thanks... somehow, this just totally made my evening
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Haha, thanks... somehow, this just totally made my evening
    Lol. I was just kidding. Sort of.

    But also, "Oh, gosh" doesn't sound like a Beta interjection to me. 'Course, that's hemmed in by social background etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Lol. I was just kidding. Sort of.
    And I kinda guessed that, too... It just made me laugh.
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    Also, what about my subtype? I've seen some type identifications on these forums like, "ILI-IEE," etc. (don't know if that's a possible combination, I just pulled it out of nowhere to illustrate) What's that about? I think I'm probably more the Ethical (psychologist) subtype than the iNtuitive (teacher). How would that be shown in a 6-letter type code?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Also, what about my subtype? I've seen some type identifications on these forums like, "ILI-IEE," etc. (don't know if that's a possible combination, I just pulled it out of nowhere to illustrate) What's that about? I think I'm probably more the Ethical (psychologist) subtype than the iNtuitive (teacher). How would that be shown in a 6-letter type code?
    Someone else can explain this better than I can (I'm still learning). That construct you've quoted, ILI-IEE, comes from dual-typing theory--see posts by tcaudillig and others under User Hypotheses and Alternative Theories. The second type in that case is an EM (energy metabolism) type considered to be different from your IM (information metabolism) type.

    Then, let's see, there are subtypes, as you mentioned:

    EII subtypes - Wikisocion

    And see also this thread:

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-subtypes.html

    for information on DCNH subtypes.

    Anyone who knows more or can put this more lucidly, please chime in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Oh gosh, those are too deep for me... Not that I wouldn't enjoy discussing them, but it would take me pages and pages to type up all my thoughts, and then to pare it all down and organize it into something structurally sound...there just aren't enough minutes in the day!

    But good food for thought nonetheless
    Are you kidding? INFj's are action oriented. Just answer the darn questions the best you can and get the job done. You have weak or undervalued Se, that's all I can tell from your writing thus far.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Are you kidding? INFj's are action oriented. Just answer the darn questions the best you can and get the job done.
    Yes, Ma'am Anyway, I've got some time now (since it's almsot 12 AM and I can't sleep. Ugh).

    1. Describe the perfect hierarchy.
    Can you please define "hierarchy"? (There, I've managed to postpone one, at least.)

    2. What kind of power people (that others seem to admire) annoy you? Why?
    People who only care about results, and will go to any means-- even uethical ones-- to get there. People who don't care about the effects their demands, criticisms, etc., might have on another's psyche.

    3. Why do people kill others?
    Lots of reasons-- pleasure, revenge, impulse, psychosis, self-defense, "honor," power, fear...

    4. Describe the perfect boss (for you) and what she does that makes it easy for you to succeed.
    One who will tell me exactly what she wants done, and-- if it's not something that I already know how to do-- will provide instructions on how to accomplish the objective. One who will respect my intelligence and trust me to produce a good end result on my own, once I'm certain I know what I'm doing. One who will give me concrete deadlines, since I work much harder when I have a deadline.

    You have weak or undervalued Se, that's all I can tell from your writing thus far.
    You are most assuredly correct in that assessment.
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    EII; you have my approval.

    BUT, you could also be LSE; how are you with controling your environment? are you rigid? serious? Are you organized, structured, routine like yourself?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    EII; you have my approval.
    Does this mean you can relate to my answers?

    BUT, you could also be LSE;
    Now that's funny...
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    after answering those questions its pretty clear EII.

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    3.Crash and sleep as long as you want
    4.For one whole day do something really enjoyable that has nothing to do with your project
    5.Spend the next day chatting with old friends and having conversations with people you are just getting to know
    6.Return to step 1
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