Christiano Ronaldo

[FDG]

Starfall had posted something about him, some time ago, which she (rightfully, imho) connected to his "erotic style" - a story told by one of his exes about the way he preferred to approach girls (very indirectly a slightly gamely). Let's see if she notices this topic.

His bodily movements and style of play are also typically EJ - look at how consistently energetic yet rather stiff he is, video example, even his dribbling is painfully rational:



compare to EP:

So he's an ENFj because he takes dives on the field and cries? Sorry but that's just asinine. So, I'm not a fan of non-American football (soccer) but of what I've heard of Ronaldo, he doesn't really act in a way that's weird for a soccer player.

Eh, so you admit you don't know anything about soccer, yet still blurt out your opinion out of something you have "heard".

goggles: Andrea Pirlo is INFp-Ni, so he's a type - check his long standing friendship with Gattuso, ISTj-Se (I take IP temperament and N type as a given in Pirlo's case).

Very interesting. What positions do you think IJ types are especially good for?

IME IJs like "central" positions: central midfielder, defender, attacker. Probably because you don't have to run as much, given that you're already placed in the middle of the pitch; plus, you can easily create a mental structure of how your and the other team interact with you, something which IJs seem to enjoy.

that's my guess, if not than SEE> creative

How can you believe this guy is either irrational or introverted is beyond me. You truly do not deserve the mod title.

[07490]

Wow thats a nice goal i have ever really seen. Again i dont Watch sccorer that much. But maybe the american defense just suck ha.

[goggles]

I'm really not sure how much we can say someone is this or that type based on how they run or what position they play in soccer.

That being said, how much do you know about soccer? Central midfielders (and sidebacks) are often the most fit and do the most work and running on the entire team. They have to run forward to attack and track back to defend, they have to move about constantly whether they are on or off the ball making runs or hassling opponents. A good example of such players would be Gattuso and De Rossi, Park Ji Sung, Nedved. You can be a world class midfielder through just sheer effort and hard work like Gattuso.

The players who do the least amount of work are usually the strikers and you've conveniently put two of the laziest ones in your post. Both Ronaldo's just stand around (the fat one was guilty of this especially) and wait for the ball to come to them. Their responsibility to the team is to simply score goals (it does not matter how).

I do agree with you about Pirlo, he VI's as an Inxp but I still think he is logic over ethics. Gattuso I think is an SEE and the fatty an estj but I'm just VI-ing.The fatty might also be ISFP or ENFP, not really sure.

[FDG]

How much do YOU know about soccer? There is one specific kind of central midfielder which runs a lot, but NOT all central midfielders (far from all) play that kind of role. You've conveniently named only those who are known for their incredible stamina.

Both Ronaldos don't stand around waiting for the ball at all, they are not "typical" strikers - an example of a typical striker would be Inzaghi, Vieri, Trezeguet, etc. (all introverts).

Gattuso is an obvious ISTj, Ronaldo "Il Fenomeno" is ESFp. Now, If I have to give a detailed analysis of every one of these players then I'd have to spend all my life doing it.

[Anglas]

Cool post FDG
so messi is irational?

[FDG]

Cool post FDG
so messi is irational?

ISTp makes sense for him, IMHO. He's clearly introverted, and likely thinking.

[goggles]

Yeah whatever, they might not be typical strikers but they still stand around and do nothing for most of the game. Ever see any of the Ronaldo's track back and defend? Nope. The only time they do anything is when their team has the ball.

Inzaghi, Vieri, Trezeguet - yep, they all stand around all day and do nothing as well.

Ok, they're not as lazy as I'm making them out to be but most strikers don't do a lot for the team. Carlos Tevez is one who does, but he would be a rare example. Mario Balotelli and Berbatov is more typical and they are not hard workers.

I have included midfielders who are known for their incredible stamina because I wanted to provide examples of a particular role I was writing about - central midfielders. There are others as well, Patrick Viera, Sissoko, Scoles, Gerrard, Lampard, Seedorf and they all have a pretty solid work ethic. They do different things in slightly different ways but you really can't call any of them lazy.

Give me some central midfielders who you think "don't have to run as much, given that you're already placed in the middle of the pitch".

[Anglas]

that's because midfielders task is help to defenders in defence and help forwards in front.

[goggles]

yes, pretty much.

[Jarno]

Guys stop discussing, he's ENFj.

oke, i was curious, old thread.

so enfj, i guess this explains his babyface.

[suedehead]

Probably Ti-SLE.

[darya]

Don't see EIE for Ronaldo as much as I try - he's all pretty boy metro and I understand the EIE typings, but he still seems like a metro SLE (or maybe SEE. I'd even buy ESE before EIE lol). Not seeing any Ni in this one.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

He looks like he does Falcon gay porn back in the 90s, when gay porn was kinda hot and actually arousing.

[blank]

People on this forum have no idea what EIE typing is, Jesus Christ. Same people who think Gilly is EIE because he was a complete dick faced douchebag. Ronaldo is easily a sensor, probably SEE.

[darya]

People on this forum have no idea what EIE typing is, Jesus Christ. Same people who think Gilly is EIE because he was a complete dick faced douchebag. Ronaldo is easily a sensor, probably SEE.

I agree that he's a sensor - and not because he's a football player, before anyone says that.

[Anglas]

Clear rational type

[yeves]

seems extraverted

[wasp]

He's ILE as fuck. "Se" is merely a means to an end.

Naive, boyish good looks and those signature Ronaldo temper tantrums and the fact that he threw a desk at his teacher when he was younger because, "He disrespected me." which lines up so well with what I know to be true of ILEs. The fact that he dropped out of school to pursue futbol because he saw potential in himself runs counter to anything written about Se-egos. There's all this controversy surrounding his disrespectful attitude toward his teammates and I think it comes from a place of not allowing a person's status/success/power to influence his treatment of them (well, that and narcissism) and I wouldn't peg any Se-egos I know to "think" that way (let alone EIEs? are you kidding me?) and how well he treats his fans, friends, and family in comparison. He isn't as into the mindless debauchery culture popular among famous athletes and that's probably another contributing factor to his disrespect toward his teammates. The man may be a douchebag, but he's a self-made douchebag.

People have weird ideas about what constitutes as an intuitive or sensor and how each individual IE operates in any given type's stacking.

[Olimpia]

I'm confused regarding how people type him as an Intuitive.

I know this is a cliché of mine, but he does seem like an ESI-Se to me.

In the video suedehead posted, once he starts talking he pretty much goes into ESI mode.
Talking about good relationships, how people treat him "good" etc.
The conversation is very streamlined. He's only talking about his past experiences and relationships with people, and how much they matter to him.
Compare him to Russell Brand (his Supervisor IMO) – he goes off on tangents all the time, talking about all kinds of ideas and whatnot.

Anyway, he's definitely Se ego IMO. If we can agree on that, I am happy.

[Chae]

Observation:
He makes a lot of statements in this one, predominantly so. More ethical than logical as well, see his example with politeness, family, and fans. Ep temperament seems extremely unlikely. Leaves us with EIE, IEI, ESI [slight chance], and even EII.

[Kernel]

It is pretty clear that he is Se ego and i think ESI.

EDIT: Now I'm 90% sure he is SEE.

[Pookie]

Lol at this thread

[silke]

He's ILE as fuck. "Se" is merely a means to an end.

Naive, boyish good looks and those signature Ronaldo temper tantrums and the fact that he threw a desk at his teacher when he was younger because, "He disrespected me." which lines up so well with what I know to be true of ILEs. The fact that he dropped out of school to pursue futbol because he saw potential in himself runs counter to anything written about Se-egos. There's all this controversy surrounding his disrespectful attitude toward his teammates and I think it comes from a place of not allowing a person's status/success/power to influence his treatment of them (well, that and narcissism) and I wouldn't peg any Se-egos I know to "think" that way (let alone EIEs? are you kidding me?) and how well he treats his fans, friends, and family in comparison. He isn't as into the mindless debauchery culture popular among famous athletes and that's probably another contributing factor to his disrespect toward his teammates. The man may be a douchebag, but he's a self-made douchebag.

People have weird ideas about what constitutes as an intuitive or sensor and how each individual IE operates in any given type's stacking.

Ne-leading was my impression of him, too, though I would choose Ne-IEE > ILE. He does seem to have some features of a "childlike" type, looking like he could be in a boy band when he's already over 30. The ESI and SLE typings don't seem to be that far off since types in same supervision rings share some similarities.

Enneagram: "assertive" type seems clear - 8w7>7w8 so/sp

[wasp]

Ne-leading was my impression of him, too, though I would choose Ne-IEE > ILE. He does seem to have some features of a "childlike" type, looking like he could be in a boy band when he's already over 30. The ESI and SLE typings don't seem to be that far off since types in same supervision rings share some similarities.

Enneagram: "assertive" type seems clear - 8w7>7w8 so/sp

The bold always fascinates me when I see it in older representatives of childlike types. Anything else that makes you think IEE-Ne?

He fits the Don Juan stereotype most commonly associated with IEE males and the manner in which he assessed and realized his own athletic potential does ring Delta to me - pursuit of creative potential - but I think of him as more democratic than aristocratic. There's a glaring contrast between how he treats his fans and those worse off than him - which is exemplified in his charity work - and how he treats his fellow teammates, whom he refuses to respect merely because they're well-established. There's a lack of aristocratic association, which I do see in Messi, but protecting the underdog could be attributed to either Ne-lead. With that said, it'd be pretty funny if they were duals since Messi (EII imo) is unanimously typed SLI on 16t. ehehe

I remember the day I posted that was the day I did hours worth of research on Ronaldo because I wanted to understand how he worked. It was interesting how differently people perceived him before and after becoming aware of how he was outside the negative reputation he'd garnered.

[The Reality Denialist]

Damn. I was sure sure about LSI but then..: For me it is not a problem.
This pattern repeats itself again and again...:
Fi-, Ti-. Ni+ mobilizing.


Goes in his value system to rip it apart. ESI.

[Chae]

Looking/staying youthful != ego. It's good genetics combined with a mad skillful beauty doc! Ronnie is as 3 as it gets, all those ego trips and self-aggrandizing, he wants to be the best, vanity alert, rose to fame after being bullied to prove his worth, center of attention, etc.

[WinnieW]

Looking/staying youthful != ego.

Yes.
Unless you have the idea that you have to be that way, it is rather unlikely that "looking/staying youthful" has anything to do with Ne.
I guess this is related to Sensing and Feeling.

Interestingly logical operators "!=" from programming languages have made their way into argumentation culture.

[The Reality Denialist]

If you are Ne then you are hip or what Albert?


-Yes, most definitely.

[Chae]

Yes.
Unless you have the idea that you have to be that way, it is rather unlikely that "looking/staying youthful" has anything to do with Ne.
I guess this is related to Sensing and Feeling.

Interestingly logical operators "!=" from programming languages have made their way into argumentation culture.

Yes, that's more probable.
I got it from @AbZero who does programming

[Jarno]

EIE ?

[on a peaceful hiatus]

EIE with a dominant subtype (I type everyone as EIE I know I know, but that's just because I only post in EIE threads)

I find it interesting that the most famous woman soccer player, Megan Rapinoe, is also an EIE.

[Lolita]

I think he’s SEE-D. He expresses Fe by smiling and being engaging with the host and such, but he’s very private and he’s actually very Fi oriented. He talks about how people treat him and he values their politeness and kindness. He doesn’t like to get attention for attention’s sake not like EIEs do. He doesn’t use Fe to be bragging about something he hasn’t achieved. He doesn’t brag at all. He shows how he feels about something which is anchored from within (Fe expresses his Fi)

[Lolita]

His Se is too strong and his Fi comes out in the way he respects the relations of people to him like his coach. He talks about how no one is like him, he thinks he’s always the best in his mind, he believes in himself and all the hard work at developing his skills is what makes him the greatest, etc. He’s very Gamma. Serious about his profession and work. “I don’t do the work because I have to. It’s part of me.” “I have to be myself.”

[Tarnished]

SEE

[InterPrizeWes]

I don't think he is leading because whenever he does break down and start crying it prompts millions of people in the world to basically think, "fucking hell, stop crying". We can't sympathize with him because it looks like (and is, although not to him) an overreaction.

Although I'm sure he is not that way in real life his emotions seem to range only from slightly annoyed to very annoyed and despair. People dislike him for that more than anything else, I think.

An "only-me-first" attitude is usually an asset in the sporting world eg. John McEnroe (could he be leading?).

An person has a wide range of emotions that he/she wears very plainly and very naturally. They are, initially anyway, popular and charismatic because their emotions can readily be seen and we can quickly relate to them (that's my theory). That and having ethics in their ego block (is that right?) means that they better understand what motivates us, what makes us hate, fear and love, what makes us feel envious or jealous () or what makes us rage or cry or feel joy . This would apply for any ethical type over a logical one.

An example of who I think is leading would be Gabriel Batistuta. I've made another thread about him and he has some strong going in almost every single picture (not just my pics but pics on Google as well). He is usually wearing a big smile or a big frown or he's shouting at something (I know, he just scored, so what?). He has very few pictures where he expressionless unlike Andrea Pirlo who usually looks like this:


I'm pretty sure Batistuta is an ese because he looks almost exactly like someone I know for a fact is an ese. On a different note however, it would appear according to wiki that Mr. Batistuta has some interest in coaching the Australian national team.

Andrea Pirlo could be the most interesting of all players, coaches, and influences in soccer.

He was kind of fluid, mermaid like, sensitive, a dreamer, artistic. And he even has more empowered mindsets than anyone else. So he's always a totem to blizzards in the volcanic maestro of the midfield passing galore.

[InterPrizeWes]

I think that Zidane was better than both Ronaldos. Zidane torched, extricated, unleashed, envisioned, poised, grabbed, elevated, masqueraded, he did all the mastery of intellect to physical sync drills and markers of strategic gem.

Zidane dribbled better than any winger or left/right back I have ever seen, the more traditional area to be good at dribbling. And his field vision was just enormous, to pick out passes the crushed any opposition. Like if you watch every highlight of the 1998 Final, Zidane should've had a few assists, should Henry have been playing instead of those chump strikers. So I guess it's justice that Zidane scored 2 himself. All in all, a Brazil team that was for the most part controlling the game was assassinated by Zidane.

Then Euro 2000 for Zidane is more legendary than anything, just total control, beyond mere assassination, as by then, they knew he was their best player, and got him the ball more. He would even be Golden Ball in 2006, and would've been 3 time Franch Champion, if not for Gianluigi Buffon of Italy at the 104th minute, and Pirlo (I talked about him above) at the 19th minute.

[qaz00]

EIE-Fe
He definitely doesn't VI SEE on this photo lol

[on a peaceful hiatus]

EIE-Fe
He definitely doesn't VI SEE on this photo lol

I remember seeing a couple of times that fans were running on the pitch to him and he went into this very passive state, no confrontation, basically trying to get away from them. he's this hyper-efficient dominant subtype who follows rigid routines that only rational types would do. the constant changes in his appearance, which are very characteristic for EIE, are visible in his different hairstyles.

[SGF]

I think that Zidane was better than both Ronaldos. Zidane torched, extricated, unleashed, envisioned, poised, grabbed, elevated, masqueraded, he did all the mastery of intellect to physical sync drills and markers of strategic gem.

Zidane dribbled better than any winger or left/right back I have ever seen, the more traditional area to be good at dribbling. And his field vision was just enormous, to pick out passes the crushed any opposition. Like if you watch every highlight of the 1998 Final, Zidane should've had a few assists, should Henry have been playing instead of those chump strikers. So I guess it's justice that Zidane scored 2 himself. All in all, a Brazil team that was for the most part controlling the game was assassinated by Zidane.

Then Euro 2000 for Zidane is more legendary than anything, just total control, beyond mere assassination, as by then, they knew he was their best player, and got him the ball more. He would even be Golden Ball in 2006, and would've been 3 time Franch Champion, if not for Gianluigi Buffon of Italy at the 104th minute, and Pirlo (I talked about him above) at the 19th minute.

Yeah, fuckin badas..

[khcs]

Christiano Ronaldo - INFP Gorky