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EII
LII
SEI
Something else.
Not my type.
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Fi-valuing. That's the only thing i can say for sure from those pics. The first couple, I was about to say maybe ILI, but in that last pic Fe-POLR goes out the window, and he's kind of pursing his lips like I've noticed EII's tend to do.
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ohI just read your OP's text prior to the pics. Yeah I go with EII, at least by VI.
Why does he think he's mistyped?
p.s. In my current opinion, MBTI types should never be "converted" to socionics types. There is no magic conversion factor. It's a totally different system with a different typing process. And you can't use MBTI type for inter-type relation analysis; converting it is misleading.
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First thought: EII.
Considering VI accuracy, it makes this option very unlikely.
You V.I. more Delta than Alpha, I think. Have you considered IEE? Your certainty on the Ne/Se axis makes me wonder if that's your base function. Also, in my experience IEEs often have difficulty figuring out their type. They can too easily imagine themselves being any type.
Quaero Veritas.
Yeah IEE actually crossed my mind too for him. If it means anything to you CiLI, i'm INFJ in MBTI. I dont think MBTI INFP or INFJ necessarily correlate with emo goths, etc, but I'm getting the impression that the emo goth types are a subset of socionics IEI, but still I wouldn't necessarily generalize that way. For instance, Jennifer Aniston is IEI and I wouldn't say she's an emo goth. And probably there are multiple different types within the goth community (I dont know much about them actually, but they do strike me as a sort of beta NF thing to be involved in).
Also you dont necessarily go "gaga" for your dual. You feel duality only once you get to know each other and are working closely together, and that feeling of duality is what hooks you. Particularly if you're the extravert. You might not even notice your duals at first (i feel like i just directly quoted AushraOriginally Posted by CiLI
). So if you're IEE, your dual would be SLI. I'm a fan of 'em myself!
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well interesting you should mention this CILi, because this is exactly one of the reasons I mistyped myself IEI when i first started. When I was going through the type descriptions I didn't even bother reading the extraverted ones because i figured i am not an "extravert" in the commonly understood sense. I am very quiet and shy, especially in new or uncomfortable situations, and when i open up in a goofy way it's only when i feel relatively safe and appropriate doing so and happens pretty rarely. I tend to prefer being by myself than with people I dont share an Fi bond with, and when i am with the people i share an Fi-bond with, I prefer working to create more Fi with them, not so much Fe.
Too much socializing can wear me down. I've realized now that this happens because socializing + doing all the new and interesting things i want to do + work causes me to cut down on sleep and taking care of myself (probably Si-dual seeking). When i do hang out with friends, or try to make new friends, my emphasis is on creating a relationship (i.e. fi), I actually dont like it when there's too much Fe going on. I dont like loud parties where I have to shout to talk (I am very soft-spoken).
I also didn't recognize myself in the "flirtation" aspect of IEEs, but now that i think about it, I think i do come across flirtier than I realize (and that's another key thing about IEEs--when we dont think we're flirting, people think we are). It's never intentional on my part, in fact when i want to "intentionally" flirt I feel like I cant do it because i'd be too embarrassed, or I feel like i'm doing it in a highly clumsy way, which is also embarrassing.
So, all those out there who like to show off how flirty they are -- that's Fe. That's not IEE-ness. IEE flirtation is done innocently and pretty much unconsciously.
I think when compared to people of Fe-valuing quadras, IEE's do come across as shy people (or at least a subset of us do) even though we are processing info in an extratim way, reflecting back on objects, as opposed to introtim (reflecting through oneself about objects).
In fact i think sometimes EIIs can even seem more extraverted socially than IEEs because they are using Fi more strongly and for that you need to interact with people. My sister is EII and while i think she really is more quiet than me and she lets me do the talking if we're together in a public place, she does tend to reach out to make friends with people a little bit more readily than me. I dont know though, the difference is small that way.
p.s. I also avoid my phoneexcept to suit my ESE mom to make sure i'm ok (and she always wants to talk about just anything like what she bought at the grocery store that day
and to find out what I bought -- not of interest to me, but I humor her), and like you said, to arrange any fun and interesting things to do with friends (brief phone calls). Of course there are the hour-long phone call here and there with a friend i haven't seen in a long time. Those happen maybe once-twice a month.
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See but that's the special thing about IEEs--that we HAVE a filter (and that's what SLIs LOVE because they hate Fe). Life of the party is Fe, often obnoxious Fe-HA like SLEs and ILEs have.
Your IEE within is always showing, dont worry. No need for alcohol.
I really think you're IEE actually, from all that you've said.
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You look IEI, CILi.
Just my two cents.
Hmm. Your descriptions of your social interactions do sound rather like Fi-Superego, or at least weak Fi.
For example:
This sounds like the typical Fi-Superego who has a very difficult time trying to discern whether people like him or not, and winds up just assuming people don't like him unless they indicate otherwise, just to be safe.
If these really are indicative of girls' responses, it would seem to point away from you being a Feeling type. Even EIIs, who are often fairly quiet, are better at establishing social relationships than that. Again, a Logical type seems more likely.
As far as the link between the socionics concept of Extraversion, and being traditionally socially outgoing, technically all Extraversion means is that one is outwardly-focused rather than inwardly-focused. Extraverts focus most of their attention on exploring and influencing things out in the world, while Introverts focus on sorting out their inner understanding of how things out in the world are connected and related to one another. Extraverts do tend to be somewhat more socially outgoing than their Introverted equivalents, but from what I can see skill at socializing and being socially competent/confident is more closely related to Feeling and Sensing. I would say that the dichotomies which most strongly influence social skill are Feeling, Sensing, and Extraversion. This is why ESE and SEE are widely considered the best in the socion at socializing, and LII and ILI the worst.
Of course, social skill can be learned by any type, but LII and ILI will have the most difficulty learning, while ESE and SEE barely need to be taught at all.
Anyway, I would tenatively type you as Alpha NT, but that could change if it turns out you've had some kind of unusual upbringing that has negatively affected your social skill and outgoingness.
Have you ever looked at ILE as a possibility? I'm not saying that's what I think you are, but I do think it's worth a look.
Quaero Veritas.
Hmm. Logically analyzing your self-descriptions makes me think Alpha NT. However, the intuitive "vibe" I get from you is still Delta NF. It's like your self-description doesn't match up with your V.I. and the general tone of your forum behaviour. I must be missing something. Or maybe my Demonstrative function is broken, and picking up inaccurate intuitive vibes.![]()
Quaero Veritas.
On the other hand, admitting to failure in the areas of your Ego strength can be especially hard to take. So that's no help.
Well, I was heavily influenced by my EII mom, so I tend to be rather hypersensitive when it comes to my Role Fi. DarkAngelFireWolf69 calls it an "accentuated" function on his blog. On the plus side, I tend to be very meticulous when it comes to being polite and trying to make sure everybody likes me; on the down side, it means I can sometimes be almost paralyzed in situations that require taking a risk of offending people or making them not like me. In general, I pay more attention to it than the average LII would, but since I'm not really any stronger at it than the average LII, it can cause stress and frustration.
An EII raised by Alpha parents, on the other hand, might have sensitive Ti: paying more attention to whether something makes logical sense or not, but often frustrated by not being very good at being able to tell. Such an EII might also feel somewhat pressured to display positive emotions in order to keep the surrounding emotional atmosphere positive, which would feel increasingly like a distraction from the things he really wants to focus on, especially if he felt pressured to keep his personal opinion on people and things to himself, for the sake of keeping the emotional atmosphere positive.
I don't know if this will be at all conclusive, but consider the following scenario:
Bill comes up to you and says "Jane doesn't like you, because you're shorter than she is."
Which would be your first or strongest response (assuming that both are true):
1) "That doesn't make sense, because I'm taller than Jane."
2) "That's not true, I know that Jane likes me."
Basically, I'm trying to figure out if you're more confident and more focused on the accuracy or inaccuracy of logical arguments, or if you're more confident and focused on assessing people's opinions and feelings about others and yourself.
Yeah, you're sounding fairly Introverted. I'm going to operate on that assumption unless contrary evidence arises.
Hold on, when you say "if not too loving," do you mean your parents were perhaps overly affectionate toward you, or not affectionate enough? People have been known to use that phrase both ways, and this might have relevance to our attempt to determine your type.
It was just a thought, and it seems less likely now, all things considered.
Quaero Veritas.
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I'm not surrounded by every quadra. The lack of Gammas in my family makes Gammas more interesting. They share some of the same values as me, but they were an unknown for quite a while. Even in my extended family I have few Gammas, and they're on my mom's side.
It was just Deltas and Alphas until my SLE brother arrived, so we're a veryfamily. My youngest brother has showed me what pests Betas can be and that being intelligent is often more important than being a compatable type. (If he were stupid as well as annoying, I would have moved out by now.)
I think I'm always going to see you as an ILI because that's your username. Creative subtype too.
It would make a lot more sense if you were an ILI.
Creative Intuitive Logical Introvert.
My impression of you so far is that you seem rather knowledgeable about and accepting of another culture which is not your own. Based on the posts you have made so far, you appear to be someone who is calm, level-headed and mature. Your writings are clear and concise, and without the unnecessary drama. Hope that there are more people in the forum like you.
Btw, do you happen to be an architect by training, or in a profession relating to analytical and planning work? You look like you are from such a field, based on my observation of my friends and acquaintances I have known irl. I know it sounds illogical, but I think people from certain professions have a certain "look" and "feel"....lol.....
Anyway, as for your type, I am inclined to think that you are Delta NF. Not sure which one yet.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Some INXj fo sho
ILI (FINAL ANSWER)
I noticed that Ne and Ni types tend to show a strong interest in other cultures, but Ne types more so. For example, when I am interested in a certain culture, I tend to immerse myself in nearly anything relating to it e.g. history, literature, pop culture (drama, music, movies, entertainers etc.), language, even though it might not have any economical value in the real world. I like cultures/countries which are able hold strong to their traditions, and be technologically advanced and up-to-date at the same time e.g. Japan, Korea.
As for the perspective of an Ni type, they seem more focused in their interest and are more concerned about whether their interest will eventually lead to a certain goal in mind. For instance, an Ni type might consider spending time to learn a foreign language because that certain language will help them to develop their career in future. Just an observation I have noticed amongst the people I have known irl.
As for the comment about "drama", Fi types tend to prefer to be more straight to the point and do not like to exaggerate too much. I have known of some Fe types who tend to use bombastic or "flowery" words to describe something based on imagery, whereas Fi types seem to describe the same stuff using just plain words or providing it with as much facts as possible to describe the physical state. That's probably why I get impatient when reading Shakespeare's works. Lol.
Sorry CILi, i'd meant to respond to this post of yours a few days ago, but then got seriously sidetracked.
I wouldn't call it a dual in itself, but i have made the same observation as you about IEEs (and i think deltas in general to an extent) being a bit paradoxical. I think all types have their complexities, but I do agree that we are a slightly different breed of extraverts than the others. The main thing to keep in mind is that the socionics term of extraversion (extratim) does not refer to the common definition of social extraversion. IEE extraversion is extraversion of intuition, which doesn't necessarily manifest in being highly sociable. I would say, it manifests more in the sense of taking initiative. The other Ne-dominant type (ILE) has an Fe hidden agenda which is what makes them loud and obnoxious (IEEs dont have that).
Why i wouldn't call this phenomenon a "dual in itself" is because we still need someone to help us achieve much needed Si and remind us that we need it, and assist us in our eternal quest for Te.
Oh and as far as whether I would consider myself a typical IEE... that's a tough question to answer. I related very very much to Rick DeLong's extended IEE description (he is IEE too), and in fact that is where, in contrast to descriptions written by socionists of other types, I did finally recognize myself in it, more than any other types i'd considered for myself previously. Some people on the forum whose opinion I respect as informed and reliable think the way i express myself (and look) is very consistent with Fi-IEE. I've compared myself with some IEE celebrities, and the perspective, mannerisms, and demeanor seem very similar. I also find that my intertype relations seem to be consistent with this typing as well. I experienced duality with a pretty clear cut Te-SLI (Jean Gabin's twin, pretty much), I really like Te-valuing, Fi-valuing people, and I put a lot of importance to Si, even though i have trouble getting around to it, often.
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I couldn't disagree more.
The pursed lips, trying to stifle some inappropriate Fe that was generated by embarrassment at the Se involved in getting his picture taken is very very similar to reactions my EII sister and I have.
In addition, the eyes project the smile (Fi valuing > Fe valuing), and the gaze is nice and relaxed (Ne/Si valuing).
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well tbh i'm not sure if i really meant Se. Yeah i or more so my sister would make the same exact expression, yeah even if we were taking pics of ourselves. Just knowing that others would see the pics would prompt the expression i think.
Well let me ask you this... what was going through your mind as you posed for the pics? Were you feeling awkward snapping those pics of yourself?
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Honestly I was not the one who pinpointed my subtype for myself. When i read the subtype descriptions (the very few that are out there), I relate to both, so initially i thought i didn't have a subtype. I guess others kind of felt I fit better into the Fi-subtype, and the one thing I do know is that ITe, a heck of a LOT, and I find Te-SLIs and Te-LSEs more strikingly attractive than the Si-subtypes. And i have to admit that I do share a certain "look" with the Fi-IEEs that i dont quite with the Ne-IEEs.
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LOL!! That's hilarious!
I just want to comment that wrt language learning, i'll try to learn a foreign language if i need it to explore the particular culture i'm immersing myself in. For example, when i was interested in Latinamerican and Mexican culture, I learned Spanish with great gusto--I was in college at the time, and enthusiastically signed up for those courses, went through the whole series; my spanish homework was the highlight of my days! And the fact that i was trying to read all this cultural info in spanish, even after i graduated, really solidified it for me. Knowing spanish has come in handy on the job, but my actual reason for learning it was the immersion. I guess from what eunice said, an Ni-type might be more like "I'm gonna need to know spanish for this job, i better learn it."Originally Posted by CILi
Later I was fascinated my indian culture, so I started learning Hindi so I could understand the indian movies better and the cultural nuances therein. I was also trying to learn to cook indian food, so i needed to know words in some of the recipes (because only authentic recipes would suffice!). I was much much too busy to learn the language in depth at the time, so i never really learned it to a conversational level unfortunately. And the interest has sort of passed by now. Maybe it will come back--i still have the books i bought to help me! It doesn't help the the alphabet is not the roman alphabet (that is always harder for me to pick up). So I will need to be illiterate and just learn it by ear.
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Wow....We seem rather similar.....
I am fluent in Mandarin, but am still learning Korean. As such, when assessing people who are outside my culture and whose language I don't really understand, I tend to focus more on their physical appearance, body language, the gaze of their eyes, content of their speech (from English subtitles), their work of art (e.g. music, novel, poems) etc.
Not that I have an opinion on the level of Ne's involvement in getting to know another culture or anything, but defining one element, type or quadra by what the other is not is rarely a good idea. In fact, it's usually a very bad idea, leading to projections with little to no accuracy. And working with this leads to even worse conclusions.
So you admire typical xSEs? That bodes well for your typing as xII.Ni-wise, the goal-pursuit (i.e. language learning) is rough. I acquire other languages with little effort, but little effort's a little more than I've got. I really admire someone who's got the discipline to put up with daily study.
This thread could use less sarcasm lol!