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    I know it must appear totally contradicting to my statements about me before, but I often avoid doing something new or to make new experiences because I think it's not worth the effort. It's hard to explain. Even if I emphasized my apparent use of , I still feel like that. I'm still open for new and also unrealistic ideas and projects. For instance, if I would have the chance to join an arctic expedition or a world trip, I'd gladly accept it. And this would be definitely something new to me.

    But on the other side, I'm probably one of these guys who say "It was better in the past." when I'm getting old. Of course not in every regard, but still. For example: I really like to play computer games for several years now. But for some time, I don't seem to want new ones, just replay the old games. I rather play a game of which I now it's good than trying out a new one I might don't like at all.

    An other thing is that I'm about to move because of my studies. I'm homesick before I even moved out. Of course, it's normal for everyone, but others I've asked said they would be happy to meet new people and all that, which is not really interesting for me. (Okay, introversion would explain this one.)

    I'm not sure what the reason for this attitude is, maybe it's just a reluctance to change.
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    Sounds a bit like constructivist/emotivist. I'm no fan of Reinin dichotomies, but this one makes sense unless it's overinterpreted (like "new/old", "buisness/fun" being used in general rather than differentiating where inert/contact logic/ethics matter). I don't agree with all points, but I think there's something to it, especially about emotivists seeking new emotional experiences while constructivists tend to have "emotional anchors" such as books or places. xNTps have contact logic and inert ethics, they're more likely to be bored by and seek out new knowledge or concepts than new experiences. For xNTjs, these seem to be more stable - as in, they're more persistent and less likely to be quickly bored by them, they have the patience to stick with them and develop theories - while emotionally they enjoy new experiences more than familiar ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    Sounds a bit like constructivist/emotivist.
    Yes.

    Or he is simply getting bored of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    I don't agree with all points, but I think there's something to it, especially about emotivists seeking new emotional experiences while constructivists tend to have "emotional anchors" such as books or places.
    It's interesting that you say that. When I read through all reinin dichotomies I could identify myself very well with having 'emotional anchors'. That's why I think I'm rather a constructivist.

    I just wanted to write my own perspective about that, that's why it's clear why you don't agree with all of that above. Sometimes it's like I already got enough of the world 'out there' and seek a place where it's quiet and peaceful. On the other handside, I feel the urge to explore the world to it's limits, but always on my own or in a small circle of like-minded people. It doesn't really make sense at all.
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    All the LIIs I know dislike change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    All the LIIs I know dislike change.
    Yes, maybe this is the reason. I wasn't aware of this attitude for a long time, but I'm definitely a nostalgic person who is also sceptical about changing life situations.

    EDIT: No problem, Aiss. I see what you meant.
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    Looks like a stereotypical rational title.

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Oh, I didn't know that this was a known fact about Alpha NTs. But that's good, this explains a couple of things if I typed myself correct.

    I thought this aversion to change would rather be an issue of sensory types.

    EDIT: @Director Abbie: Do you mean the title of this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    EDIT: @Director Abbie: Do you mean the title of the thread?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    If my routine is so boring why would I keep doing it for years, hmmmmm?
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    The temperaments are usually cited as playing the biggest role (as should extensions like DCNH). Specifically, the spectrum extends from static rational to dynamic irrational.

    But I also think that:

    Ego = easily accept, look forward to, and constantly generate your own creative changes/additions/interpretations to these aspects. See people who don't live up to your own vision as needing your help. Often get impatient and annoyed with people who attempt to restrict your field of application.

    Superid = look for others to provide novelty and change in this area, but hold on to (and cherish) a traditional set of memorized routines for oneself. As a side note: Don't necessarily get annoyed with people who can't generate novelty in this aspect, but don't find them that interesting either. STAY THE HECK AWAY when people flout these aspects, whether or not on purpose.

    Superego = expect changes to occur and the need for you to act on and anticipate them (because these functions are in the mental ring). However, very easily gravitate to a lower resolution reality, one without changes, that's comprehensible and easier to live with. Dealing with constant changes and novelty in these aspects is painful because it means YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT!!!

    Id = don't look for novelty or change at all. This is the most conservative part of the psyche. You have the tightest grip on information of this kind and don't see any reason to experiment with it rather than applying it directly and with brute force. You act almost totally within the context of providing for the momentary needs of the situation.

    More or less. It'll vary slightly depending on the exact function and how well you've developed it (e.g. role and HA may approximate closer to ego and id, respectively, in certain individuals).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Same. Alpha as a whole seems pretty change-averse IME. Which makes it funny when they talk about how loves novelty and what not, when in practice it isn't true at all. The most boringly routine, tasteless, stagnant people I've known were typically Alpha—usually NT. The SFs aren't as bad about it at least.
    I would not say that Alphas are averse to change, but are merely creatures of habit seeking refuge in known comforts and pleasures. So I think it is proper not to call Alphas change-averse without first examining the nature of the change itself, as one would likely find all types and quadras resistant to certain types of change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    I'd agree LII's are often staid, routine, tried-and-true people (and I see it in myself); but I thought Reinin tagged them Emotivist (and ILI the opposite).
    Of course you're right, I didn't mention that. But even if this dichotomy is not correct for me, the majority still is. You hardly find everything right which is stated by the dichotomies about you. There are also somehow contradicting facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    My SLI sister is known for having a favorite movie at a given span of time (usually weeks) where she watches it again and again every few days (up to 10-20 times), hence constructivist.
    Yep, that's what I do. It's the same with computer games in my case. Even after years, I still get back to my old favourites.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    I would not say that Alphas are averse to change, but are merely creatures of habit seeking refuge in known comforts and pleasures. So I think it is proper not to call Alphas change-averse without first examining the nature of the change itself, as one would likely find all types and quadras resistant to certain types of change.
    That's a good suggestion. The bolded part is exactly what I meant. However, this description would make them partly constructivist. Maybe this is also a dichotomy which intensity is defined by another dichotomy. Just like 'Judiciousness' is strengthened by introversion and 'decisiveness' by extroversion.
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    I meant all the points here. I originally quoted the descriptions but figured they aren't all that quoteworthy after all and never edited that sentence, sorry.

    I wouldn't say I dislike change as such - it only works for what creates an emotional response in me. If I'm relaxed, I'd jump at the chance to read a new book, but if I'm not, I'd rather reread an old favourite. On the other hand, when I'm learning things, I enjoy it, but then I'm soon bored and seek something new. I'd rather look for mental than emotional stimulation, if it makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    Sounds a bit like constructivist/emotivist.
    It also sounds like Si. Jungian Si.
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