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    Default Alpha or Gamma NT?

    Hey there,
    it's been a while now since I registered here, some people might not know me yet. But while I posted in discussions I was told several times that I appear to be an Alpha NT rather than Gamma. Even the extrovert variant was proposed to me. I know that actual introversion/extroversion is not necessarily linked with the socionics term, but I tend to test as a distinct introvert...

    Well, I just want to get some opinions.
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    Did you previously self-type as ILI? I've found that's a pretty common mistyping for ILEs, for some reason. I think because many ILEs are socially reserved, they type themselves as Introverts. But ILE extraversion manifests not so much socially, in being outgoing and confident in social situations, but moreso in the realm of ideas. ILEs are always searching outside themselves for new ideas and possibilities (as opposed to LIIs, who are always focused inward, taking ideas and possibilities and putting them together into a giant logical system, as flawlessly as possible).

    That said, I don't really know you well enough yet to say one way or the other which type you are, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Did you previously self-type as ILI? I've found that's a pretty common mistyping for ILEs, for some reason. I think because many ILEs are socially reserved, they type themselves as Introverts. But ILE extraversion manifests not so much socially, in being outgoing and confident in social situations, but moreso in the realm of ideas. ILEs are always searching outside themselves for new ideas and possibilities (as opposed to LIIs, who are always focused inward, taking ideas and possibilities and putting them together into a giant logical system, as flawlessly as possible).
    Yes, ILI was my original selftyping. There are certains things which seem to be correct in the ILE description, but I read that they are very dependent on other's emotional atmosphere. I can't relate to that much. I'm a loner and very private, I don't hang out where other people like to be. That's what makes it so hard for me to consider an extroverted type. But if this extroversion does show up differently... who knows?

    If I take the long type assistant on socionics.com, I always got LII (I did it twice) but still believed ILI was correct, since the Gamma values seemed to be more suitable. I can't really tell where I get my ideas from, but in many situations I think of something which is already there and have an idea to improve it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    That said, I don't really know you well enough yet to say one way or the other which type you are, unfortunately.
    That's no problem at all, I'm glad you wrote this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    There are certains things which seem to be correct in the ILE description, but I read that they are very dependent on other's emotional atmosphere. I can't relate to that much.
    I think that means mainly that ILEs can't create an emotional atmosphere by themselves, and have to rely on others to do that for them. It's actually because of the fact that ILEs aren't that great at creating or influencing the emotional atmosphere that many ILEs prefer to stay away from people, particularly if the people they're staying away from are not Alpha SFs. As much as ILEs enjoy having fun with people, they get tired of trying and failing to create that kind of atmosphere.

    LIIs, by contrast, rarely even try to influence the emotional atmosphere, that's how bad they are at it. If an ILE feels like an incompetent child in emotional and social matters, an LII feels like a helpless baby.

    ILIs, on the other hand, think it's stupid and annoying to even care what the emotional atmosphere is like. Whether or not people are "having fun" is an entirely pointless question to them, and just gets in the way of more important things. They prefer to disregard it altogether.
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    Haha, nice. That's a good comparison, and also easy to understand. Well, I'm certainly not comfortable in social situations, but if or if not that's the case regarding me is hard to tell. I guess I need to think about this problem for a longer time.

    I did also some function tests before (not sure if it was mbti or socionics) and was always one of my leading functions. ILE have as polr, so I'm not sure how to combine these two facts.
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    I understand your lingo, so I guess you are gamma, not alpha.

    And most likely ILI.

    I'm not 100% sure though, but pretty confident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    I know that actual introversion/extroversion is not necessarily linked with the socionics term, but I tend to test as a distinct introvert...
    I test as introverted all the time. Being a 'loner' doesn't automatically throw you in the introvert pile (although I'm still holding onto the possibility of you as INTj).

    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    If I take the long type assistant on socionics.com, I always got LII (I did it twice) but still believed ILI was correct, since the Gamma values seemed to be more suitable. I can't really tell where I get my ideas from, but in many situations I think of something which is already there and have an idea to improve it.
    1. That test is awful, as well as the rest of that site.
    2. I don't think valuing means you get your ideas out of nowhere. People can only understand what they observe, so it's not like anybody's brain can think of something that has no basis or foundation in what they observe. Even 'new' ideas or inventions have to be inspired or derived from knowledge or observations that the person already comprehends. I'd like to hear what other people have to say to that though.

    Do you still have those photos of yourself, or any new ones?

    I also don't get why people are saying INTp with INTj as a close second. Aside from what I consider Mr. Doomer's type to be, they are fairly different types with very different styles of thinking.

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    The reason I'm certain he's INTx is he has all of the interests of the regular NT and because of this:
    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    I'm a loner who actually has no problem with being alone.
    This is introversion in the extreme.

    Mega would you say you put more value on your personal imagination or your understanding of scientific theories?
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    I think it likely that you are ILE-Ti. Your language has this sort of precision to it based in a fundamental unsureness that I have seen especially coming from ILE-Ti. Te language tends to be more direct and factual.

    Here for instance, are some characteristic weak Fe but highly Fe valuing moments:
    Well, I don't know if it's useful for you or not, but I'll have a try [Concern/respect for other people's time, made explici.] As I said, I'm a loner who actually has no problem with being alone [Justification.] But of course, I have some acquaintances [Justification] from my former school as everyone. Some of these people often party together and became very good friends.

    Your tone comes off as unsure and apologetic, and and there is a lot of explicit justification.

    Of course, I could be totally wrong. It's been known to happen. The trends I mentioned are much more common in ILE-Ti than any LII, at least in my experience. <-- there i actually justified my uncertainty like a good ENTp boy.

    Oh, just looked at the pictures, I'd say you VI very ILE-Ti as well. Especially picture two. I dunno if there are any pictures on here, but you look somewhat similar to Archon Alarion. Also to another Ti-ENTp guy I know.

    Also what Krig said about ENTp extroversion is quite true, and very common of Ti-ENTp's.

    Arctures: delta just produces boring people
    Arctures: but that's how we like it

    vero: who needs a real person
    vero: That's why I date an SLI

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    Kraezz: you just have to do the ****** thing sometimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by shindaiwa21 View Post
    I think it likely that you are ILE-Ti. Your language has this sort of precision to it based in a fundamental unsureness that I have seen especially coming from ILE-Ti. Te language tends to be more direct and factual.
    Thank you. This is a good example, even if you're not totally sure. I think this is the typical style I use when I write posts, and probably also when talking to people.
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    Bill Gates and Paul Krugman are decent Vi matches. Both Ti-ENTp, at least in Ashton-ey socionics. I learned at the feet of this angry yoda look-alike, and still follow his ways for the most part. Different people have different "coordinates" in socionics, so one person's ENTp may be another's INTp. Krugman and Gates are Ti-ENTp in Ashtonland, which is my reference. I probably just said a buncha hella redundant stuff.

    Arctures: delta just produces boring people
    Arctures: but that's how we like it

    vero: who needs a real person
    vero: That's why I date an SLI

    dolphin: someone tell gulanzon adjusting shower water to the right temperature is not si

    Kraezz: you just have to do the ****** thing sometimes

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    Just saw those pics, Ti-ENTp all the way.

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    MegaDoomer from your wall and text and pictures i think LII.

    you said you didn't fit in in social situations, even though you tried - so i'm going to guess you'd like to be part of such things, you just don't know how. ESEs know how include people and try to make everyone feel comfortable.

    you also don't talk about how you feel about things or use much emotional language, so not an ethical type.

    you're probably an introvert because you prefer to spend a lot of time alone, and you seem to expect others to take initiative in getting to know you ("It's not that I never talk about myself, but not many people are asking.")

    you said you hate people telling you what to do or putting you under pressure. so i think you are not seeking , it could be your PoLR.

    do you think this description sounds like you? Logical-Intuitive Intratim - INTj (The Analyst)

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    you said you hate people telling you what to do or putting you under pressure. so i think you are not seeking
    I'm Se seeking, but I don't like it when people tell me what to do or put me under pressure.
    So that's kind of bullshit you are saying, where did you read that, or did you make that up?

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    You're ILI. Embrace tranquilty of mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    You're ILI.
    What revealed my true type in your opinion?
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