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    Default Quadra Progression: Delta »» Alpha

    I found this film from my childhood that does a really good job of illustrating the progression from Delta »» Alpha. Here it is if you want to watch it. About 1 1/4 hours long (the whole thing is available on Youtube).
     











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    It's a science fiction film from the 60s set in a future where human beings are enslaved by a highly advanced species of giants known as the Draags. The protagonist ("Terr") is a human being, originally kept as a pet, who escapes with the scientific knowledge of the Draags to lead the human uprising against them.

    Terr is probably Ne dominant, since he acts as the gatekeeper of information and its transmitter. The first thing he thinks about while escaping, even above personal survival, is grabbing the learning device. He doesn't blink twice at bringing scientific knowledge to the humans, and naturally assumes this role from the start.

    All other quadras are portrayed from a biased alpha-centric perspective:

    Betas were portrayed as capable and unrelenting fighters, willing to go to extremes to aid in the mission, but primitive and feuding amongst themselves. The roving bands of humans fought resource wars against each other, and were initially too divided and backwards to mount much resistance against the Draags. That is, until the Alphas brought forth their knowledge and a new social ideology.

    Gammas are portrayed the worst (really badly ). The Draag counsel-man (ILI) is narrow-minded (not willing to even concede the possibility that humans are intelligent), self-important and warlike. The human shaman (ESI) is a complete reactionary who opposes any kind of progress on the dubious grounds that knowledge of the Draags is evil.

    Deltas were portrayed as open minded, magnanimous and trying to do the right thing, but too constrained by tradition and bureaucracy to really make a difference and see the full possibilities over the horizon. The Draag first minister was probably EII.


    The human society was merry (but particularly Alpha) in many ways: complete sexual freedom; loose, barely formal leadership; organized, but only with the goals of advancing technologically, spreading their knowledge to everyone, and building rockets to allow them to explore / escape to the mysterious "Fantastic Planet".


    IMO.

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    it looks creepier than hitta.

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    Hmm interesting... I must watch this and get back to you.

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    That was the most messed up hour of my life.

    But yeah, it had its alpha moments but didn't seem to actually intend an alpha-centric theme. That is to say that things weren't shown in a bias light, but rather one which was simply entertaining (savages are overtly confrontational because that's fun to watch, protagonist brings knowledge b/c that's a good plot device, Draags are backward because they are the opposition etc) which indirectly ended up pushing certain quadra stereotypes at their best/worst.

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    It struck me that the shaman wasn't really disputing the knowledge because of the evil Draags, but rather because the newcomer was threatening his power as an advisor to the current leadership.
    Bandit camp leader; ESI or LSI imho.
    Savages in general; portrayed as beta by Draags, many fit that stereotype, definitely alpha-beta
    Leader and friends; prob alpha, definitely not an S type
    Draags; mix of gamma-delta; the whine about production and stuff made me lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic View Post
    That was the most messed up hour of my life.

    But yeah, it had its alpha moments but didn't seem to actually intend an alpha-centric theme. That is to say that things weren't shown in a bias light, but rather one which was simply entertaining (savages are overtly confrontational because that's fun to watch, protagonist brings knowledge b/c that's a good plot device, Draags are backward because they are the opposition etc) which indirectly ended up pushing certain quadra stereotypes at their best/worst.
    I think most films that promote certain quadra values end up doing so inadvertently, with the goal of entertainment or moving the plot forward. The writers' bias shines through, nonetheless. There are a number of other plot choices that could have been made to make the film promote gamma values, for example.

    Leader and friends; prob alpha, definitely not an S type
    The only type outside of Delta that would work for the first minister is LII.
    His daughter "Tiva" seemed like an ethical caregiver, SEI or ESE.
    Bandit camp leader; ESI or LSI imho.
    Savages in general; portrayed as beta by Draags, many fit that stereotype, definitely alpha-beta
    Draags; mix of gamma-delta; the whine about production and stuff made me lol.
    Agreed.

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    After watching this I interpretted it differently

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    The only type outside of Delta that would work for the first minister is LII.
    His daughter "Tiva" seemed like an ethical caregiver, SEI or ESE.
    Agreed.
    Ah I meant Terr for leader and friends. And yeh Tiva seemed SF

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    lol I watched this last night before I went to bed, fuckin' awesome.
    I agree with most of jxrtes summary. Tiva and Terr look like an Alpha activation pair (Alpha SF, Alpha NT) and I'm amusing Terr's woman was a dual. In fact she didn't talk much at all so I'm guessing she's ISFp, Terr's ENTp, and Tiva's ESFj. It would make sense, cause Terr beat that (beginning) kid's ass faster than I would expect an LII would. The gamma's are portrayed badly if only because they were completely blind to the humans' potential. Extreme Ne devaluing. Like exterminating a species of chimp that learned how to read. The minister seems very INXj.

    Btw this is the best movie I've seen in years. Seriously, especially visually.
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