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    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism
    Stoicism (Greek Στοά) was a school of Hellenistic philosophy founded in Athens by Zeno of Citium in the early 3rd century BC. The Stoics considered destructive emotions to be the result of errors in judgment, and that a sage, or person of "moral and intellectual perfection," would not suffer such emotions. Stoics were concerned with the active relationship between cosmic determinism and human freedom, and the belief that it is virtuous to maintain a will (called prohairesis) that is in accord with nature. Because of this, the Stoics presented their philosophy as a way of life, and they thought that the best indication of an individual's philosophy was not what a person said but how he behaved. Later Stoics, such as Seneca and Epictetus, emphasized that because "virtue is sufficient for happiness," a sage was immune to misfortune. This belief is similar to the meaning of the phrase 'stoic calm', though the phrase does not include the "radical ethical" Stoic views that only a sage can be considered truly free, and that all moral corruptions are equally vicious.
    I don't know a whole lot about stoicism, but from what I've heard/read stoicism seems like a good representation of what pure Te is. It's essentially a way of approaching the world indifferently and totally impartially so as to have totally clear and unbiased way of handling it. The stoic will admit to his guilt because it is true. The stoic is indifferent to his personal attachment to anything and he does what he does because that's just how it should be. He does not react to pain or pleasure, he just recognizes it's existence and acts according to what would result in the greatest good. It's about having a picture without letting emotions disrupt the clarity needed to know what needs to be done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    I don't know a whole lot about stoicism, but from what I've heard/read stoicism seems like a good representation of what pure Te is. It's essentially a way of approaching the world indifferently and totally impartially so as to have totally clear and unbiased way of handling it. The stoic will admit to his guilt because it is true. The stoic is indifferent to his personal attachment to anything and he does what he does because that's just how it should be. He does not react to pain or pleasure, he just recognizes it's existence and acts according to what would result in the greatest good. It's about having a picture without letting emotions disrupt the clarity needed to know what needs to be done.


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    i find it appealing and i wouldn't mind having it associated with Te. Te feels stoic to me, but i don't know if it really is, like, objectively.

    but i think i've also heard it described in conjunction with Ti before, so i'm interested in how it would be Te>Ti or maybe approached differently between the two or something (if it could be).

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    after reading Logos' post i don't think that what i had in mind was actually stoicism, but something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    after reading Logos' post i don't think that what i had in mind was actually stoicism, but something else.
    Yeah same
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    I think Stoicism has both Te/Fi and Ti/Fe valuing supporters in the ancient world. The texts of Seneca, for example, seem very Ti-ego/Fe-seeking. He's a bit softer than the others regarding the 'expression' of emotion, as he distinguishes between the 'print' of the emotional experience, and the continued obsessive study of them. I think he's alpha NT, at least.

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    A stoic in my mind is someone who works hard labour everyday for 12 hours, comes home and plays with his kids and helps out aroind he house and does it again and again without quiting slogging through the adversity.

    Everything else is a little intellectual.

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    I have a completely irrational distaste for this kind of mentality. I can't explain why it bothers me so much, except for the way it comes across as arrogance and falseness. I can't help but think that they're judging a person for having emotions, especially "negative" emotions. This especially makes me angry "a sage, or person of "moral and intellectual perfection," would not suffer such emotions." Man, what bullshit. Sorry.

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    It doesnt come off as so much as a lack of . Wait. What is the difference?
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