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    Default Distinguishing Mirror Types - how to tell apart

    I was bored and just threw this together for fun. Not all traits are exclusively one type or the other. Just traits that tend to point to one type over the other.

    LII and ILE

    LII have a much more serious exterior. Cold and calculating. Usually working something out in their head. Sometimes stiffly conscientious and well mannered. Crush under unexpected pressure.

    ILE are much more personable. Intellectually curious and interested. Unconventional. Clumsy and unnatural under pressure. Often inappropriate or immature.

    SEI and ESE

    SEI are calm. Smooth and slow moving with occasional bursts of energy. Tuned into nature and art. Hedonistic. Not overly perfectionist. Impenetrably friendly. May be irresponsible and lack focus.

    ESE are very engaging. Natural hosts/hostesses. Overly energy expending. Wastes time/energy. Friendly, but not lacking in necessary seriousness. Strong altruistic tendencies.

    LSI and SLE

    LSI are very correct. Disciplined and controlled. Unshakable. Stiff, but still friendly and confident. Broken by the unfamiliar and unconventional. Unsure of the unusual. Slow to adapt.

    SLE are fast-paced and full of energy. Very natural and sometimes instinctual. Quick witted. Friendly. Adaptable. Steps on toes. Fear acting inappropriately. Often lack natural tact.

    IEI and EIE

    IEI are somewhat detached. Very friendly. Strong insight into people's intentions. Naturally melancholy, but still engaging. Impatient with details. Lack work-ethic.

    EIE are very emotional. Natural actors/actresses. Manipulative. Dramatic. Driven and ambitious. Very unrealistic. May strive for overly idealized/impossible goals.

    ESI and SEE

    ESI are very devoted. They are usually friendly, but can come off cold. Very strong willed and unwavering. Tied to their sense of duty and their inner circle of relationships. Attempt to appear objective and rational. Quick to judge. Slow to adapt.

    SEE are very free-willed. They are natural socialites. They like to and are good at grabbing attention. Highly energetic. Strong willed, but unfocused. Hard time slowing down. Anxious and often scattered.

    ILI and LIE

    ILI are very detached. Often lost in thought. Strong philosophical insight. Cynical. Distant. Factually precise and accurate. Time and energy conservative. Emotionally unengaged.

    LIE is much more optimistic. Strong sense of long term direction. Self-assured. Determined. Risk taking. Attempts to appear engaged and friendly. Can't fully enjoy the moment and have trouble entering a relaxed state.

    EII and IEE

    EII are very understanding and conscientious. They are very aware of how people work and their attitudes toward things and people. Contemplative. Attempt to appear objective and rational. Have problems asserting themselves.

    IEE are extremely curious. They are attracted to everything new. They are fascinated by people but can shy from them. They are peace-loving but can be immovably confrontational. Can be very talkative but can also be very distant. They are extremely inconsistent and somewhat unstable.

    SLI and LSE

    SLI are very relaxed. Stable. Impenetrably earthy. Skeptical and unlikely to deviate from what they've experienced first-hand. Emotionally cool, and very hard to stir.

    LSE are very hard working. Work is precise and detailed. Usually friendly and engaging but has weak control over their emotions. May let loose their rage unintentionally. Often needlessly precise and do things without any long term gain.
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    hey those are pretty good.

    do you really think EIEs are "very unrealistic"? Or do they just have high standards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    As a rule, I'd say they're not unrealistic. Not anymore than anybody else tends to be.
    The way I understand it Ni-creatives use their vision as a guide in life and tend base most of what they do on the future consequences of those actions. Both tend to be somewhat idealized, but with EIE not being based in how things work and function in the external world, it would make them pretty unrealistic.

    Also, I believe it's point of conflict between them an SLI.

    Also the INTp description needs work. "Factually precise and accurate" is the only part that fits. The rest sounds like an INTj.
    How would you describe them? especially as being different than LIE. Just curious.
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    Fuck you, these are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Yeah but its not like they're wandering around with their heads up their asses. Most of them anyway. Realistically speaking, most EIEs I've met aren't people I'd consider rabidly idealistic airy-fairies too caught up in their own visions to notice pragmatic reality. Maybe not quite as cognizant of it as myself, but certainly not people I'd generally consider to be ungrounded. Even most INFps aren't that bad.
    I don't think it'll be as obvious as every ENFj trying to become president and having absolutely no plan to get there. I'm not saying they're stupid. The just tend to be unrealistically grandiose, and at the same time driven. There's nothing wrong with big plans imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    IEI and EIE

    IEI are somewhat detached. Very friendly. Strong insight into people's intentions. Naturally melancholy, but still engaging. Impatient with details. Lack work-ethic.
    Hey, my grandfather is IEI and he's legit one of the hardest working people I've heard of ever (doing A/V work loading and unloading trucks at the age of 70-something). And I'm not a slouch. Impatient with details is accurate though, as is melancholy-engaging.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Hey, my grandfather is IEI and he's legit one of the hardest working people I've heard of ever (doing A/V work loading and unloading trucks at the age of 70-something). And I'm not a slouch. Impatient with details is accurate though, as is melancholy-engaging.
    How would you say Te-PoLR manifests in you and your grandfather? As well as very weak Se.
    Or, how would you change the description?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    How would you say Te-PoLR manifests in you and your grandfather?
    rofl. I'm sort of kidding. I mean, I actually come off as though I have a good work ethic insofar as I get a lot of shit done, but I have a superior capacity to procrastinate, and frequently coast on talent. There were several papers that I put off until 4 or 5am the morning they were due, which is just fundamentally stupid.

    But seriously, Te-polr manifests, in my experience, in more of a refusal to recognize "reality" in a certain form. Sort of like, "I've constructed this beautiful narrative in my head." "But it doesn't fit the facts." "Well, then, damn the facts!" It's weird because we don't mind "reality" in the Se form, and I think that's because Se is directional: always for a purpose, or at least that's what it feels like to Ni-egos. Whereas Te seems silly: why would you want to know all of this "meaningless" (where meaningless essentially means "uninterpreted" or "unhumanized") information?

    One example of me being "lazy" is there are some rather important forms I need to fill out that I've managed to procrastinate on for months. Literally months. Which is unbearably stupid. And that's an extreme example. But it's not a generalized laziness--otherwise I wouldn't have done anything during that period besides play video games, masturbate, and scratch, whereas I've gotten a lot done over that time period. It's a selective laziness, a laziness that applies to things we don't want to do, usually because the things are "boring" or "mundane." I mean, most people don't like mundane things. But Te-polrs have a special aversion to and a special lack of skill at most practical, um, things.

    Also, IEI laziness can be described as inertia. Inertia more than anything. If I'm in motion on something, I stay in motion. But once I stop, I stop, and generally remain at rest until some external force acts upon me. It's very difficult for me to make myself do much of anything. The only reason I did homework was to get good enough grades to live up to my self-image as "smart."
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    silverchris, that was perfect. Exactly the same for me. Selective laziness. And putting off forms... like when there are 50 school forms sitting on the kitchen table that they send us in freaking JUNE and the deadline isn't until AUGUST which means I don't touch them until the day before they're due, if I can still find them on the table where I left them under all the stuff that's accumulated since then. lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    What would be an example of "uninterpreted, unhumanized" information?
    I dunno, data. Looking at a long math problem, I just see a jumble of letters and numbers and crap and it takes me a minute to refocus to see any relevant information in all the data. It's like the difference between noise and sound. Sound is intelligible. Noise is... noise. I think that Te-polrs generally prefer to have assistance in interpreting the data, even if we can sorta do it for ourselves, i.e., Ti-HA. Hmmm... what else? Information that isn't organized. "Just the facts, ma'am." "Dry statistics."

    I have to have a heruistic for organizing data before it is no longer painful to look at. If I sat down and looked at a bunch of information about, um, I dunno, stocks prices and mortgage rates and stuff, it would be totally meaningless to me.

    Sounds like the condition of most people.
    Clearly you don't understand the depths of my capacity to procrastinate. I meant to include the example of how I waited until 5am to start a paper I had to finish by 9, which was like 25% of my grade. I coast by on talent.

    Also... socionics requires stereotyping. Is it a stereotype that LSEs are good at what I consider mundane work and IEIs are bad at it and have an even worse time of doing the mundane work than the LSE? Sure. Is it valid socionics? Of course. That's what I was describing.

    Decisive + IP.
    Yes, I was describing Se-DS, really. But since he was discussing laziness I figured I'd mention another "aspect" of IEI laziness.

    Also, discojoe says that IEIs often ignore "correspondence to reality" in favor of "internal coherence," which is a manifestation of Te polr. Don't care if it's supported by the data, more interested in how the concept holds together or fails to.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Anybody would feel that way if they had no means of interpreting the data. Unless you have some kind of education in understanding mortgage rates and what not, it's going to be unintelligible, overwhelming noise. Nobody likes mindless data, including egos.
    Nobody "likes" mindless data like nobody "likes" not knowing what's going to happen, or not knowing what a concept means. That doesn't mean that certain types don't work better with certain data.

    That's how I see PoLR. Not so much in terms of laziness, procrastinating, not liking mindless data, or being impractical.
    Sure, whatever, that's all well and good for a sort of intellectual manifestation that lines up very closely and clearly with IM descriptions, but this thread seemed to be geared more towards practical/behavioral applications. I wanted to take the behavioral applications a step further than "IEIs are lazy" but not so far as this sort of "this is what IEIs tend to be like intellectually," because that doesn't seem to be the point of the thread.

    Also, sure, you're LIE, you're all about the nuances or whatever of Te, I guess. But the general associations are totally valid, I think: superior capacity for handling mundane tasks, orientation towards knowing the most practical or pragmatic approach to a situation (even if you don't necessarily pursue it) and preference for behaving in keeping with such "rationality" or "common sense," as it is termed. And I do think Te-polr can be generally associated with... not laziness, but a weakness for trying to avoid necessary practical steps (especially in IEIs), practical things that bring external structure and organization to your life and maximize how much you can get done, all that. Which looks like laziness, especially to Te-egos (where Fe-polr might look like, I dunno, deliberate social perversity or insensitivity or just plain boring-ness to Fe-egos), who do such things as a matter of course, much like how IEIs analyze motives and hidden meanings as a matter of course, and think that it's just stupid to fail to do so.

    So actually, now that I think about it, laziness isn't a terrible description, because it will usually look like laziness to a Te-ego, especially one who knows nothing about socionics. That just won't resonate with IEIs, who generally prefer to reframe it as a charming indifference to practical (albeit necessary) details, rather than pure laziness.

    Also, a good example (although she's EIE, not IEI), is Emma Bovary, who is destroyed because she can't stop spending, but even moreso, because she doesn't bother to learn the terms that she's agreeing to. She won't face the facts of how money works, because she---in her mind---shouldn't have to. She should be able to float in the airy realm of love and emotion forever, and the money should just be there, should just take care of itself. So she tries to do quick-fixes with money, and it's that, that carelessness with the practical financial terms of how her money works, how credit works, etc., that leads to her suicide, not her incessant pursuit of emotional and spiritual highs.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    yeah these descriptions match up with my perceptions of the types i'm familiar with.

    but, lol..

    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    IEE are extremely curious. They are attracted to everything new. They are fascinated by people but can shy from them. They are peace-loving but can be immovably confrontational. Can be very talkative but can also be very distant. They are extremely inconsistent and somewhat unstable.
    i'm hoping the connotation here was unintentional?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    i'm hoping the connotation here was unintentional?
    All IEEs are crazy, everyone knows that.
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