Can one be typed correctly by Reinin dichotomies alone?

[Aiss]

Just because a perfect accuracy isn't attainable doesn't mean we should disregard accuracy completely. I find your descriptions hard to agree with even knowing the theory behind, and I'd disagree with the end result if I didn't know the "right" - which is by no means most obvious - interpretation. I wish you luck in getting any ILI identifying with your version of dialectical-algorithmic without such background (snatching opportunities faster than any other, aye.)

[krieger]

If a person doesn't identify with the description of "dwelling on problems" and "seeing things that could go wrong" they shouldn't identify with any INTp profile either. INTp is the type that gets described in these terms almost as a tradition in socionics.

[Aiss]

OK, you got me here, I misread at first and thought the third description was supposed to be dialectical-algorithmic (hence my comments about snatching). I take back what I said about disagreeing with it, after all. Still, these descriptions don't reflect the nature of the thinking styles and would be misleading on their own. I may have originally confused them, but it doesn't change the fact that the first and last one could just as well be swapped.

[krieger]

Still, these descriptions don't reflect the nature of the thinking styles and would be misleading on their own. I may have originally confused them, but it doesn't change the fact that the first and last one could just as well be swapped.

1. I don't claim these should be used on their own. They should just subtly adjust the view of the types one gets by first applying other methods.
2. They do reflect the nature of the thinking styles.
3. The first and last are both Negativist groups, so it is perfectly natural that they have similar characteristics.

[JohnDo]

The "triple" I mentioned above is not really a triple because Carefree/Farsighted can not be derived from Tactical/Srategic and Rational/Irrational. But there are 35 triples and certainly more than 4 are useful...

There are 15 dichotomies. Every dichotomy can be derived from 7 pairs of 2 other dichotomies. 15*7=105 triples which has to be divided by 3 because farsighted*introverted=intuitive is the same same triple as farsighted*intuitive=introverted and introverted*intuitive=farsighted. So there are 7*15/3 = 35 triples

farsighted * introverted = intuitive
farsighted * logical = negativist
farsighted * rational = judicious
farsighted * obstinate = democratic
farsighted * static = strategic
farsighted * emotivist = asking
farsighted * merry = result
obstinate * introverted = logical
obstinate * intuitive = negativist
obstinate * rational = merry
obstinate * static = emotivist
obstinate * strategic = asking
obstinate * judicious = result
static * introverted = rational ----- club triple
static * intuitive = judicious
static * logical = merry
static * democratic = asking
static * negativist = result ----- thinking style triple
democratic * intuitive = logical ----- temperament triple
democratic * introverted = negativist
democratic * rational = result
democratic * strategic = emotivist
democratic * judicious = merry ----- quadra triple
strategic * intuitive = rational
strategic * introverted = judicious
strategic * logical = result
strategic * negativist = merry
emotivist * logical = rational
emotivist * introverted = merry
emotivist * intuitive = result
emotivist * negativist = judicious
merry * intuitive = asking
judicious * logical = asking
negativist * rational = asking
result * introverted = asking

[JohnDo]

There is a 5th important triple: romance styles.

static * intuitive = judicious ----- romance stype triple
static * negativist = result ----- thinking style triple
static * introverted = rational ----- club triple
democratic * intuitive = logical ----- temperament triple
democratic * judicious = merry ----- quadra triple

Interesting, static/dynamic and democratic/aristocratic seem to be especially important here. So I guess there should also lie something meaningful behind static*democratic=asking. In my opinion asking/declaring is very useful even for typing so I would call it the "communication style triple":

static*democratic*asking = Alpha-NT / Gamma-SF = to learn, get information
dynamic*democratic*declaring = Alpha-SF / Gamma-NT = to explain, share information
dynamic*aristocratic*asking = Beta-NF / Delta-ST = smalltalk
static*aristocratic*declaring = Beta-ST / Delta-NF = story-telling


The following triples might be meaningful, too:

static * farsighted = strategic
static * obstinate = emotivist
static * logical = merry
democratic * introverted = negativist
democratic * rational = result
democratic * strategic = emotivist
democratic * farsighted = obstinate

[Creepy-cinq]

This thread on Reinin dichotomies I think is one of the most useful exchanges of information on this board. The concept of triples has far more potential in understanding type than a handful of type descriptions.

My hesitation with using Reinin dichotomies is in the definitions and labels. They have the potential to mislead and to misinterpret. I've read about the dichotomies from two different sources and both sources diverged in the interpretations. Also the labels placed on the dichotomies were different.