I might be ISFj

[Creepy-male]

Lol, I deliberately take very hot/very cold showers to the point of being painful, precisely to try and focus on the point where it becomes pleasurable instead of painful.

Clearly it's a Si thing.

[xerx]

I've tried doing that, but fail miserably all the time. Respect to anyone who can do it.

[Aiss]

I suspect this may be weak , but I'm not overly certain. At least I've noticed it a lot in the ethical types on this forum and in real life. It seems like external dynamic processes; in other words, physically occurring processes that change. So the stronger your , the more likely you would notice it. I guess that doesn't really help deciding between ESI and SEI. :/

No way it's :/ Or get me another type. That's one thing I totally do, except to a much larger degree than Rubi describes. I blamed so far - noticing changes in implied context while remaining unaware of what precisely is "wrong". This is in stark contrast to Kamajama's example from earlier - he noticed what changed (face), but not what the change implied (health issues).

[ilikesex]

I suspect this may be weak , but I'm not overly certain. At least I've noticed it a lot in the ethical types on this forum and in real life. It seems like external dynamic processes; in other words, physically occurring processes that change. So the stronger your , the more likely you would notice it. I guess that doesn't really help deciding between ESI and SEI. :/

and you think LIEs would be good at noticing or remembering the color of couches in a room, or whether people have gained weight, or the other things she mentioned?

[Creepy-male]

Except for the fact that I have really good recollection of sensory details, be they visual, tactile, or otherwise. I can also blend together flavours in my imagination.

So, ILEs and ESEs then?

[Mattie]

Do you mean like emotionally bothered?

Bothered in any manner really, probably when I'm putting up with something that I don't particularly like, or something was said that ticked me off or whatever but I'm not completely obvious that it affected me (my NeTi best friend would be oblivious to it and any SiXe around would know instantly, but it was less about emotions and more about something else). I remember one time how an SiFe coworker of mine said or did something that pissed me off, but since we were on the floor with customers I didn't really say anything, but he could tell in the slightest change in my demonor and how I was particuarly jittery or not focused that something was wrong and he was able to trace it back to the problem. And despite SiTe having a reputation with not being skilled with "feelings," one in particular would know exactly when they said or did things that hurt me, and also expected me to tell when they were pushed off-kilter as well.

[1981slater]

ALL IN



Jem! You are so SEI...get back to the carrier!

[Creepy-male]

ITT: Conflictors taking waspy jabs at each other's "wrongheaded" ways of thinking.

[Creepy-male]

Yeah, I think you're pretty LIE, actually. I'm still thinking about it, but you seem Te dominant, and that would seem to explain why I think your typings/typing method is so strange to me. (IOW it occurs to me that you just totally eschew any Ti.) I suppose I should clarify that I'm talking about your celebrity typings and not your userlist, which I've never looked at and thus can't comment on.

Anyway, I caught on that it was a joke. Sorry, I was being bitchy there in the post before.

[Blaze]

I'm thinking I'm ESI..

nope

[Nexus]

In term of relationships.. I think I do tend to judge people's qualities without really thinking about it. Like observing someone's actions or inactions in a high-pressure situation and forever after disrespecting them, regardless of my will. I mean like I'd never bring it up with the person, because people are who they are.. but it's something that makes me feel estranged from the person whether I like it or not. But Idk.. I don't really judge people's actions.. like actions seem irrelevant in terms of who a person is except when they're um intensely spontaneous. And even then.. well you just know when certain actions reflect the part of the person that matters. :-p

Gah I'm honestly confused by Si and Ni..

To me you sound very IEE, but honestly I think that if you spend enough time on any socionics forum you will ultimately end up some kind of Delta

I guess I could see you as ISFj but if you really are -accepting and -creating then you really need to start ignoring and stop being so focused on your ...as you are an introvert, I don't see why you bother to understand what relationships you have to other quadras have when you claim you aren't really interested in them anyways - if you like gammas go meet some gammas, stop trying to ruin what alphas have; that being said, I am your conflictor so I am sure you will do just the opposite of whatever I said anyway...

is when you are partially dozing off because you are totally bored and as you absent-mindedly stare at passers-by you suddenly realize that someone else is having the same exact experience you just had

is when you are very busy and overworked and suddenly someone comes up to you out of nowhere trying to get your attention because you dropped all of your stuff and didn't notice because you are late

I object...

I guess that makes you an objective type :wink:

[xerx]

No way it's :/ Or get me another type. That's one thing I totally do, except to a much larger degree than Rubi describes. I blamed so far - noticing changes in implied context while remaining unaware of what precisely is "wrong". This is in stark contrast to Kamajama's example from earlier - he noticed what changed (face), but not what the change implied (health issues).

So do I, actually. Because I'm off in intuitive la la land, so I never notice those details. But when I do I have a fantastic memory for any changes that result to them -- the change itself is the external dynamic process (). For a sensor not to remember it implies weak Te, IMO.

There is also the separate issue of caring about them that Ashton brought up, which nobody really does if it's a mundane detail, which distorts memory.

and you think LIEs would be good at noticing or remembering the color of couches in a room, or whether people have gained weight, or the other things she mentioned?

Only if it was important to some larger scheme they were doing, and they managed to notice them in the first place.

[Rubicon]

To me you sound very IEE, but honestly I think that if you spend enough time on any socionics forum you will ultimately end up some kind of Delta

Mm just look at Gilly. I don't tend to get on with Deltas though.

I guess I could see you as ISFj but if you really are -accepting and -creating then you really need to start ignoring and stop being so focused on your ...as you are an introvert, I don't see why you bother to understand what relationships you have to other quadras have when you claim you aren't really interested in them anyways - if you like gammas go meet some gammas, stop trying to ruin what alphas have; that being said, I am your conflictor so I am sure you will do just the opposite of whatever I said anyway...

What I like is irrelevant. I don't know what I like. I just want to understand relationships for the sake of figuring this out.

is when you are partially dozing off because you are totally bored and as you absent-mindedly stare at passers-by you suddenly realize that someone else is having the same exact experience you just had

is when you are very busy and overworked and suddenly someone comes up to you out of nowhere trying to get your attention because you dropped all of your stuff and didn't notice because you are late

I don't know.. I don't get bored. I just get frustrated when I'm not doing what I want to do. People get my attention instantly.


Thanks for your post.

[Rubicon]

Jem! You are so SEI...get back to the carrier!

[Mediator Kam]

Well, in relation to what I said about the face, it was a very stark contrast. Usually, I can tell something is different about someone but cannot tell what it actually is, like a haircut or something.

[Rubicon]

Well, in relation to what I said about the face, it was a very stark contrast. Usually, I can tell something is different about someone but cannot tell what it actually is, like a haircut or something.

You said other people noticed.. just didn't say anything because they thought it'd be impolite.. so it's not a very good example. :-p

[Brilliand]

Lol, I deliberately take very hot/very cold showers to the point of being painful, precisely to try and focus on the point where it becomes pleasurable instead of painful.

Clearly it's a Si thing.

I used to do quite the opposite - reduce sensations (mainly sound volume) so that I would be better at detecting small variations in the future.

[Mediator Kam]

You said other people noticed.. just didn't say anything because they thought it'd be impolite.. so it's not a very good example. :-p

I have no idea whether they noticed or not. They just thought it was rude I said that I noticed.

I used to do quite the opposite - reduce sensations (mainly sound volume) so that I would be better at detecting small variations in the future.

I like hot showers and all, but gul is pretty weird in this regard. Using burning hot water might be a strange sensation while you are doing it, but it hurts too much afterwards.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

Removed at User Request

[Rubicon]

Rubicon, I think you are SEI for any possible reason, IMO. I don't feel like explaining and have nothing to say right now (besides, I don't know if it will worth the effort), but everything thought out about you points me towards the same conclusion - SEI.

Putting in my subjective opinion as an ILE, I see you in a very good light, compared to how I see ESIs:
- you are genuine, you don't rely on acknowledged value of say authors or artists; this is my impression at least. More than that actually, I find you genuine, by all means, so I think that what exactly makes my impression is irrelevant.
- you don't take things too personally to overlook the actual problems, when they are. That (stupid, in my view) attitude when people consider a quarrel as a "my opinion vs yours", instead of "what is and what is not". I personally often felt offended by Fi types when they ramble like this, not because I want to come off as important, but because we're discussing a fucking problem, not about our roles in the house. I think SEI and IEI are the only capable to truly take an ILE opinion seriously, regardless of whether he is "playful" or not, that's fucking irrelevant, but most Fi types always project when they're in an argument with someone, especially ESIs - like "where does each of us stand in this".
- I feel that everytime I can understand what you say about people or what they do beyond words or explanations, it's like we're in "the same field" and make the same observations, something that I find common in SEIs I know. Not about types & stuff though, IMO you don't excel in this, but it's about things that suck *because they suck*, or something.
- You're moody and your view on people and things appears to change depending in the direction of the wind.
- I suspect that you feel guilt very strongly (not like Beta NFs, though) and that you're mildly masochistic .

Cool thanks. I appreciate your opinion. I pretty much agree with your observations about me.. :-p

What I find hard to reconcile with us being duals is that I feel like I have to be either for you or against you.. And I know you've said in the past that that's not necessary lol.. but I feel like I have to with you.. and I'm not sure why. But you present so many sides that I find it hard to decide either way. Bah Idk.. I think I easily get where you're coming from, and perhaps vice versa .. but there's 'stuff' in the way.. and maybe you just have an unusual version of Fi PoLR.. but things you say make me wince sometimes. Or laugh, but in an incredulous way. :-p And then I get the impression that irl I'd object to things and you'd tell me to stop being silly or to stop poking my nose in or to stop misbehaving or to stop over-reacting or say that I'm just being moody... when I'm actually serious.. and believe it or not would like my words to be taken somewhat seriously. lol <-- serious But hey I'd learn to stop objecting, and keep all my objections inside, and you'd think that was a good thing.. but then I'd explode one day. Mmm duality. :-p

Um I remember Parasite posting something once about how she wasn't going to take sides in an argument you were having with someone.. don't make her take sides.. and you responded with some objective comment like "look, this is what SEIs are like - don't expect them to stand up for you".. something like that. Anyway, imagining that kind of dynamic in a relationship made me immediately uncomfortable.. Like I'd like to be able to be either definitely for someone or against them.. um or just to take a definite side! I know that's a paltry example that I brought up, but it's the principle. :-p Anyway, I get the impression that you don't understand why I have to be hot or cold.. um I'm not sure how to explain it.. but there's something amiss there.

Not meaning to get pedantic :-p .. but I may as well get everything on the table for the heck of it.. Um the way you use emotions I find manipulative for some reason.. like they're more than just how you're feeling at the moment.. they show how you're feeling about the person you're posting to. The manner in which you write rather.. it reflects your opinions about the person in an indirect way. That makes me uncomfortable.. like you're trying to force bonds or something and expect reciprocation. And attaching importance to your subjective evaluations of people, when they're often wrong.

I think that things like appreciating that a person is genuine is not much to go by.. I think you're genuine too.. but I can think that about a lot of people that I don't get on with when it comes down to it. And when have we really gotten on? Via PM.. and it's too easy to get caught up in the ease of back and forths that way.. well for me it is .. adapting without thinking really. But context is everything imo.. how people get on in different situations, with different people present, in different environments.. PMs are rather like words in a vacuum. :-p

I hope you don't take too much offense to this. Not meaning it in that way. Just wanted to clarify things. I don't have much of an opinion on your type, but I don't think duality between us makes much sense at all.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

Removed at User Request

[Rubicon]

I don't feel like debating this with you, take it or leave it.

Well thanks for the wall of text. You obviously are offended.

So you say you like to hear what people have to say... but you spew out all this stuff, then back off and say you're not up to debating. Yeah that works. What am I supposed to do with this rubbish.

I don't think it's wrong to type via intertype relations.. that's what socionics is about.. and if duality consists of putting up with my 'discontentments' concerning my dual, then umm no thankyou.. arranged marriages aren't my thing.

I didn't call Parasite a coward. Don't make out like I did. I was thinking more along the lines of you both being independent or something.. or her leaving things up to you. Whatever.

Thanks for mentioning PM information. Idiot.

[Rubicon]

I do tell her that she's moody and over-reacts, but I always explain what I think that she should do and why.

Yeah.. that's what I would hate .. someone telling me what to do and why.

[Rubicon]

Thought I'd add this to my thread for the purposes of decoration.

Who are you?

I am who I am at any given moment.

What are your interests?

um socionics, it seems. the body - how i can control it with my mind and such. sounds and music. communicating in spite of words

What do you do for a living?

gah I hate that question

Are you in school? How do/did you like it?

used to be. I liked some aspects about it, just like I like some aspects of this quiz and not others

Future goals? Past experiences?

yes.. I have both. my goals are usually private, past experiences .. well there are too many! I once hugged a guy by mistake who was merely holding a door open for me. That embarrassed me deeply.

What are your friends like?

They tend to congregate on facebook, which is convenient for me.. because I can keep track of them there and delete them at whim, though that unfortunately doesn't delete them from appearing in real life. My friends through the ages have all been pretty different. It seems that there is always something missing when it comes to fully connecting, but I have taken note that I am the common denominator. My better friends have been prying types who don't treat my feelings as valid. That makes me comfortable. I speak in the past tense because I haven't cared to keep up most of my relationships for awhile.

What would you say the focal point of your life is?

Hm. People. Oddly enough.

Beliefs? General thoughts about w/e?

I don't believe in beliefs. Better to keep taking in reality and updating information constantly. Make conclusions before you die.

General thoughts... we should remember that we are just one of many, that we are not noteworthy in the scheme of things. That the way we come across is who we are and our responsibility, and that the way others treat us is a reflection of who we are. That treating others with kindness is usually the most reasonable course of action. Start with not screwing up other people's lives, and from there graduate to possibly helping people.

How would others describe you?

There seems to be a group of people who see me as sweet, calm and gentle... another group that sees me as quiet, intelligent and funny.. another group that sees me as boring, cold and uncommunicative.. and another group that sees me as critical, scary, and irreligious.. and another group that sees me as talkative, cheery and up-for-anything .. so heh :/

[Nowisthetime]

I don't think it's wrong to type via intertype relations.. that's what socionics is about.

Yeah, but i woldn't use the "relationships" in this forum for typing. Especially not for duality. The discussion is very narrow (mostly socionics), - in real life interaction is mostly NOT discussion, but just everyday things, and DOING things together. I feel duality best when we're just doing stuff like buying groceries, or making plans for the evening etc. And so much is body language and reading silent cues. I loose contact with my dual in an intellectual environment, it becomes an NT monologue, then when we get back to common ground (=everyday stuff) we both can contribute equally and that's when bonds can be made.

[Aiss]

My better friends have been prying types who don't treat my feelings as valid. That makes me comfortable.

That was funny. Or wasn't it meant to be?

[Rubicon]

Yeah, but i woldn't use the "relationships" in this forum for typing. Especially not for duality. The discussion is very narrow (mostly socionics), - in real life interaction is mostly NOT discussion, but just everyday things, and DOING things together. I feel duality best when we're just doing stuff like buying groceries, or making plans for the evening etc. And so much is body language and reading silent cues. I loose contact with my dual in an intellectual environment, it becomes an NT monologue, then when we get back to common ground (=everyday stuff) we both can contribute equally and that's when bonds can be made.

mm good point

That was funny. Or wasn't it meant to be?

laugh at your peril

[redbaron]

all I can think of is how when calenwen first came to this site, she thought she was SEI. then she was ESI and then when she met Leon, she realized she was LSI.

ergo, you are LSI.

just kidding.

[Creepy-male]

How do you confuse ISFp with ISTj?

Considering ISFp -> ISFj -> ISTj, and that that's around the same as ISFp -> ISTj, which is weird and strange, ISFj -> ISTj seems like the weak link.

EDIT

Unless ISFp was a self-typing while she was new. Those don't count. At which point ISTj is less under question.

[redbaron]

How do you confuse ISFp with ISTj?

Considering ISFp -> ISFj -> ISTj, and that that's around the same as ISFp -> ISTj, which is weird and strange, ISFj -> ISTj seems like the weak link.

EDIT

Unless ISFp was a self-typing while she was new. Those don't count. At which point ISTj is less under question.

yes, it was.

[Aiss]

Seriously though, I don't have an opinon on your type anymore. You seem more serious with every post. : /

[Rubicon]

Seriously though, I don't have an opinon on your type anymore. You seem more serious with every post. : /

I am a very serious person.

[redbaron]

I am a very serious person.

not that there's anything wrong with that.

LSI! LSI!... j/k

[Rubicon]

ergo, you are LSI.

just kidding.

LSI! LSI!... j/k

Hm are those like Joy 'jokes' which are actually half-serious? :-p