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    Default It is difficult to know yourself if you do not know others?

    "It is difficult to know yourself if you do not know others."

    What does this sentence mean to you? Do you consider it valid? I will share my view later.
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    I agree with it. One certainly needs knowledge of others as a vehicle for comparison.

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    I would say that it works together.
    Learning to understand others helps you learn about yourself.
    Learning about yourself helps you learn to understand others.

    However, when it comes to asserting that someone is such-n-such type,
    I believe that if you can't see how the IA/IE describe you and your own complexes,
    then how the heck can you hope to use them to describe others and their complexes?

    (note: "you" is a general you and not referring to anyone specific)
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    Bonkers. It's difficult to know others if you do not know yourself.

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    Totally true. While introspection is an important tool, if you have no internal world to compare to your own its like trying to draw a house with no walls or something. You have nothing for comparison, just yourself floating out in empty space. Your information isn't definite or solid, it doesn't have independent confirmation. Not that it ever will, but understanding other people gets you just that little bit closer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Totally true. While introspection is an important tool, if you have no internal world to compare to your own its like trying to draw a house with no walls or something. You have nothing for comparison, just yourself floating out in empty space. Your information isn't definite or solid, it doesn't have independent confirmation. Not that it ever will, but understanding other people gets you just that little bit closer.
    In the 2nd sentence, do you mean external world?

    Very interesting point, I feel I compare myself to something far above me due to introversion. Time to time I need to look more outside - at reality - and when I compare myself to others, they will seem like ants who are lost and conforming. I don't know what the use of this is view is... ah, indifference perhaps? Sometimes the english language confuses me. Is indifference a part of what everyone calls "confidence"? In my experience, the female gender definitely believes so hahah.

    I wrote down what I saw in the topic quote before reading what you said, silverchair:
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    I consider it valid. To know yourself means to know your intentions, or your destiny (aside from random phenomena that can kill you, lol). If I spend too much time with others who have no shared intention of my own, I am clearly wasting my time. Is time not the most important thing in life?

    I believe this is just a speckle of what this sentence covers. How will you know you are strong if you don't compare yourself to others? How will you know your weakness if you don't compare yourself to others? These are questions I forget to ask myself
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    Thanks for the contribution silverchair. You have built my awareness some more.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Bonkers. It's difficult to know others if you do not know yourself.
    Im inclined to agree, though as someone said they complement each other,im sure which one you should start with first knowing yourself or knowing others, whichever strikes your curiousity more, though I think its more important to know yourself in order to know others than the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    Im inclined to agree, though as someone said they complement each other,im sure which one you should start with first knowing yourself or knowing others, whichever strikes your curiousity more, though I think its more important to know yourself in order to know others than the other way around.
    Well, knowing others and not yourself, it's possible at least to compare others to each other.



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