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    INTp requesting delta quadra descriptions of functions for INFj mother. She said last night that no one has written explanations which make sense to her.

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    -instructs other to look at their own personal subjective morals and to cooperate or examine their behavior with regards to good/bad moral boundaries, holds close relations, tries to form bonds and works on these bonds to bring people close to their own understanding of what an ideal person should act, look, and think like. Can look and be rigid because it makes judgements and calls that aren't often realistically outside their subjective understanding; emotional, highly sensitive and gets easily offended as well as holds on to hurt emotions, does not easily let go of other's offenses towards them, but forgives their partner and tries not to remind them of the offense again.
    -looks at ideas, possibilities, filters and looks for ideas, interested in mass amount of information and filters things down to the large pictures, makes connections and patterns when people ask them to help them;


    Does this help or do you want more?
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    he probably could use wikisocionics male female portraits, the erotic roles, and agustas works. or that stuff like from starfall in beta about socionics.org profiles.

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    I'll give it a shot:

    : The only real way I can describe in a way that makes sense to me is a sort of view of "essences" in things/people. Within the first few minutes if not seconds of interaction, valuers can pick up on a sort of essential nature of a person. The nature of such essences are inherently static in nature, and thus the liking or disliking of someone is not situational, rather that essence is seen as a constant and not a variable. This is a very inexplicable process, at least in my personal experience: how I come to understand this nature of another person is relatively unknown to me, and instead it simply happens. Even when I try to ponder why I like or dislike something or someone, I can never find a satisfying conclusion. To valuers, to say what they like or dislike about somebody does not adequately explain why they like or dislike the person in question. This can be very annoying to / valuers who typically seek discrete characteristics in people upon which judgments are made.

    : In a sense, valuers see the world as abstracted from itself. They retain the ideas of the objects they see or view or understand in the world, but these ideas are not seen as necessarily tied to or specifically intrinsic to the objects in which they manifest. Of course valuers are capable of viewing or experiencing the external world, but the information retained from the outside world manifests in ideas of what the external world is like and not necessarily how the physical world actually exists. This is a difficult sort of thing to describe, but it's like the world and the objects in the world are seen as a conglomeration of discrete patterns, where the concept of the pattern at hand is more readily emphasized than the physicality of the expressions of such patterns. With this sort of information at hand, valuers can seemingly manipulate their ideas of the world via manipulating these ideas that they retain from the physical world, and the physical manifestations of these manipulations are seen as a secondary act, if it's something considered at all. Since so little attention is paid to the physical world, valuers find it very easy to lose track of either the physical states of foreign objects or the locations of such objects, often resulting in the loss of such objects.

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    I'm a she. I'm a she. I'm a she.

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    I heartily thank the three of you. Very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    : I tried to teach socionics to my ESFj and ISFp relatives about a month ago, and once we got to we hit a bit of a snag. I didn't feel really able to explain it well, and they didn't really understand what I was saying as a result. Then I stole a page out of Ashton's book and described it as "homeostasis," and instantly their minds clicked and connected with that idea.

    To the best of my ability, I can describe as a sort of awareness of a "balance" between things in the physical world. sees the physical world as containing a continuum by which a homeostatic state can be observed or reached. While this next part isn't really a literal view of how valuers see the world, valuers are sort of in observance of a field or plane, one that's constantly encountering dips and bumps that are seen as disrupting a desired balanced, level nature. As such, once a disruption in their field has become noticed, valuers attempt to correct this seeming imbalance via whatever means they see fit to do so. As opposed to valuers, whose focus is on the specific objects themselves, valuers are more bent on their own subjective reactions to the objects at hand.


    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    : The only real way I can describe in a way that makes sense to me is a sort of view of "essences" in things/people. Within the first few minutes if not seconds of interaction, valuers can pick up on a sort of essential nature of a person. The nature of such essences are inherently static in nature, and thus the liking or disliking of someone is not situational, rather that essence is seen as a constant and not a variable. This is a very inexplicable process, at least in my personal experience: how I come to understand this nature of another person is relatively unknown to me, and instead it simply happens. Even when I try to ponder why I like or dislike something or someone, I can never find a satisfying conclusion. To valuers, to say what they like or dislike about somebody does not adequately explain why they like or dislike the person in question. This can be very annoying to / valuers who typically seek discrete characteristics in people upon which judgments are made.
    :boner:

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