DUALITY <3

[Satan]

Why do you have to attack everyone? :frown:

It's ok to be skeptical. Your opinion is fine. I didn't like post the thread to gloat. I posted it to appreciate duality, and to just show people what is waiting for them if they don't already have it. And then you just started attacking it :frown:.

Well y'know there's a simple response:

"It'll last forever "

To be honest, I wasn't actually that skeptical. I was more being a little provocative. It's what I do to see where people really stand about things.

Maybe I'm stupid, but sometimes when people tell me that their relationship is going wonderful I like don't believe it and it's like I'm not ready to hear it straight away. And so it's like I have to a double take and doubt and have them confirm. But sometimes that confirmation isn't there, and instead it's like there's been this fake optimism at the beginning then doubt underlying.

And if I'm more engaged I can read things on the first go- but often I'm not really paying attention. And a double take helps me get up to speed. I can't adjust /immediately/ between diverse emotional states etc.

[Satan]

Erh. It's justified to get pissed off at someone when they just start attacking you and it's totally uncalled for. Get off your pony.

You can't blame others for how you react to them. You shouldn't have to justify your emotions. But how you act within your emotions is your choice.

[Satan]

fwiw...



maybe i'm biased... but i've seen too many people get high.. and drop out ..

i don't exactly expect people to be completely rational at the time. people lie, life is unkind, life is cruel blah blah. you know, i'm realistic. i think it's
just sometimes sensible to keep your eyes open, and be aware.

[dinki]

So you were expecting to get attacked?

You attacked the relationship when you don't know anything about it. I was bitcy because you were attacking people, and it was uncalled for imo. But my bitchiness wasn't cool either so sorry heh.

[Ezra]

You both sound like moody crusty old bastards. Merky was in the wrong to be so blunt, but you have to admit that you both hit a nerve with each other, and if you both calm down you may even learn to gain insights from one another. Unfortunately I highly doubt the egocentric behaviors you're both displaying will allow either of you to do that, and that is quite a shame.

I did learn something. That you can be sceptical and optimistic at the same time. But I'd rather give myself fully, enjoy the relationship and get hurt in good faith, than be sceptical, hold back my guard, and never get shit moving. In order to have a successful relationship, you need to give yourself fully. Why be sceptical when NOTHING is going wrong? When you've had past relationships and they've always been okay, and you've put your all into them, and you've come out hurt for a while but not injured? What's the issue with leaping into a duality? The only way it'll ever work is if you throw yourself into it. Scepticism arises out of being fucked about in the past. I've been there. Done that. I've been fucked over. She has helped me to GROW OUT of this scepticism about manipulation; this lack of trust. I'm not about to re-enter that mindset because someone more wounded than me can't for shit see where I'm at emotionally, spiritually, psychologically or physically.

She and I are the same type, she's a lot more private, due perhaps to religious/personal reasons and as she said, influence of LSE's advise. We faced the most classic thing with each other, competition due to being the same type, but self examination is good even for EII; she was quite demanding of me when I first joined on and was not supportive in providing a pleasant atmosphere, which I dearly need in order to be healthy, but it's all in the past.

Okay. What does she think you are?

And this is Fi also, but in IEI sense of it and where it's located in her ego block that often confuses her to me with my duals and with our conflictors.

Actually, the "calm down" thing was Fe at its purest. Shame... maybe Fi as you suggest.

[dinki]

Well y'know there's a simple response:

"It'll last forever "

To be honest, I wasn't actually that skeptical. I was more being a little provocative. It's what I do to see where people really stand about things.

Maybe I'm stupid, but sometimes when people tell me that their relationship is going wonderful I like don't believe it and it's like I'm not ready to hear it straight away. And so it's like I have to a double take and doubt and have them confirm. But sometimes that confirmation isn't there, and instead it's like there's been this fake optimism at the beginning then doubt underlying.

And if I'm more engaged I can read things on the first go- but often I'm not really paying attention. And a double take helps me get up to speed. I can't adjust /immediately/ between diverse emotional states etc.

Well that's fair enough. That's smart. I don't have an issue if you think that, I just think it's unfair to attack people because there's a chance they think that.

Besides. I don't think anyone really knows much about the relationship on here. It's not like it's perfect just because it's duality. We still get insecure and have issues and fight about petty, dumb shit and think it might end. But it's still really fucking good regardless.

[Beautiful sky]

Okay. What does she think you are?



Actually, the "calm down" thing was Fe at its purest. Shame... maybe Fi as you suggest.

She has also typed me as EII. True, Fe can disarm emotions; Fi also is involved in calming people down, look that up with regards to EII.

[dinki]

You can't blame others for how you react to them. You shouldn't have to justify your emotions. But how you act within your emotions is your choice.

It's justified to get pissed off at someone when they just start attacking you and it's totally uncalled for.

[Ezra]

She has also typed me as EII. True, Fe can disarm emotions; Fi also is involved in calming people down, look that up with regards to EII.

Honestly, I am willing to see you as an EII, Maritsa. I've wanted to say you're putting on a Fi act, or whatever, but you do genuinely seem to dislike what I say to people and how I act in a very Fi way. Granted, I'm never ever going to listen to you when you moralise to me, or give the slightest shit about what you think of or feel about my actions. However, I'm pretty sure you're my conflictor. And, honestly, if Minde corroborates your being EII, I trust her opinion, and I'm happy to see you as my conflictor, rather than my activation.

[Satan]

Well that's fair enough. That's smart. I don't have an issue if you think that, I just think it's unfair to attack people because there's a chance they think that.

Besides. I don't think anyone really knows much about the relationship on here. It's not like it's perfect just because it's duality. We still get insecure and have issues and fight about petty, dumb shit and think it might end. But it's still really fucking good regardless.

Well fuck out, I've already spoken out. I may as well lay my cards on the table.

What I've found is that when people talk about a relationship going well rather than specifics of a relationship it tends to mean that they're thinking about the sate of the relationship too much and they're trying to convince themselves that things are going well. This tends to be on the downward spiral where relationships tend to deteriate.

When things are going well relationships are often taken for granted, and you may say something simple like your boyfriend/girlfriend is amazing you can't believe how easy things are.

What you said, you said that you were taking care of yourself in so many ways. This is often actually what people seem to say when they're "happy" away from a bad relationship that they've just gotten out of, before they start feeling lonely, missing their past relationship etc. It's the talk of someone who is "over" something or other. And investing more time in themselves because they've removed another burden from their life.

So yeah, maybe you removed some burden. Maybe things are going well. Maybe it's grand.

And truth be told in that situation I see it as a bit of a waiting game. Do things go up, or do they go down? I can't really perceive where things are going to go. But if I look back on the past, for me warning signs of relationships going down hill is actually saying things like the relationship is going well etc, and trying to identify positive things etc like people are trying to convince themselves, and then they want to convince others.

Also, as soon as skeptism is placed, and the other person is like "you don't understand" or "we've worked... ", blah blah.. whenever there's a kind of defending it means that there's underlying shit there. People in strong healthy relationships tend to just smile be short etc. They don't get defensive.

Now you're saying you fight about dumb petty things. Well it doesn't sound like it's going so well. But it sounds like you're taking care of yourself now. I don't know if that's an individual thing or a relationship thing though? Like is he taking care of you, and you taking care of him. Or are you getting more independent ?

(i'm still not really sure if you're female or male. i ended up thinking you're probably a girl; sorry if i was incorrect)

[Beautiful sky]

Honestly, I am willing to see you as an EII, Maritsa. I've wanted to say you're putting on a Fi act, or whatever, but you do genuinely seem to dislike what I say to people and how I act in a very Fi way. Granted, I'm never ever going to listen to you when you moralise to me, or give the slightest shit about what you think of or feel about my actions. However, I'm pretty sure you're my conflictor. And, honestly, if Minde corroborates your being EII, I trust her opinion, and I'm happy to see you as my conflictor, rather than my activation.

Fair enough, but I hope that you don't think being called a "conflictor" means that you can't listen and trust me or that you shouldn't learn from me. In fact, if you could, I would say perhaps looking into that as being more DS then conflictor. But again, I can't seem to get any point across (Se POLR), instead I trust that I will gain your trust and that someday, you will trust me to translate what I see and how I see it and maybe go with what I say too.

I'm not particularly afraid of my conflictors, I'm afraid of harsh and mean people.

[glam]

But I'd rather give myself fully, enjoy the relationship and get hurt in good faith, than be sceptical, hold back my guard, and never get shit moving. In order to have a successful relationship, you need to give yourself fully.

for a long while i tried to get a relationship going with someone; though no matter how hard i tried it did not move forward. very recently i finally gave up for various reasons, and it was like mercutio said about crashing and burning, but i did do everything i could have, and that's better than not trying at all - in that sense i do not regret it.

i like what you say above and believed (do i still? idk) it myself, though i still do feel so low about it atm that it does make me wonder if emotional rollercoaster rides are worth it... it really makes me begin to reconsider what "love" really is



eta: this is not directed at you and dinki's relationship btw... what you said just got me rambling about myself...

[dinki]

Well fuck out, I've already spoken out. I may as well lay my cards on the table.

What I've found is that when people talk about a relationship going well rather than specifics of a relationship it tends to mean that they're thinking about the sate of the relationship too much and they're trying to convince themselves that things are going well.

This tends to be on the downward spiral where relationships tend to deteriate.


When things are going well relationships are often taken for granted, and you may say something simple like your boyfriend/girlfriend is amazing you can't believe how easy things are.

What you said, you said that you were taking care of yourself in so many ways. This is often actually what people seem to say when they're "happy" away from a bad relationship that they've just gotten out of, before they start feeling lonely, missing their past relationship etc. It's the talk of someone who is "over" something or other. And investing more time in themselves because they've removed another burden from their life.

So yeah, maybe you removed some burden. Maybe things are going well. Maybe it's grand.

And truth be told in that situation I see it as a bit of a waiting game. Do things go up, or do they go down? I can't really perceive where things are going to go. But if I look back on the past, for me warning signs of relationships going down hill is actually saying things like the relationship is going well etc, and trying to identify positive things etc like people are trying to convince themselves, and then they want to convince others.

Also, as soon as skeptism is placed, and the other person is like "you don't understand" or "we've worked... ", blah blah.. whenever there's a kind of defending it means that there's underlying shit there. People in strong healthy relationships tend to just smile be short etc. They don't get defensive.

Now you're saying you fight about dumb petty things. Well it doesn't sound like it's going so well. But it sounds like you're taking care of yourself now. I don't know if that's an individual thing or a relationship thing though? Like is he taking care of you, and you taking care of him. Or are you getting more independent ?

(i'm still not really sure if you're female or male. i ended up thinking you're probably a girl; sorry if i was incorrect)

Erh. Yeah cool. I just thought it was kind of odd to talk about my relationship in specifics on here. Like it seems random, people wouldn't really care would they?

I see what you mean. This thread alone would make it seem like maybe we are just being idealistic. But it's only iceberg shit. We have issues like other couples, but as duals, we help each other by realistic about it.
I am definitely not idealistic about relationships. I am cynical about them lasting forever and I am never totally sure if anything is the right thing for me.

There is insecurity in the relationship, it's not that strong and stable on the surface, because we get insecure or have doubts because it's long distance so slow to develop and the distance can lead to misunderstanding. But it is strong and stable because we care alot about each other and love each other and help each other develop our world views and characters.

I think I was pissed off and defensive, apart from because I felt like you were attacking Ezra, was because you were hitting on issues that we have had in the past and by bringing them up again I thought it might cause some more shit.

Yeah lol petty arguments are a bit shit. Tbh I never met an SLE that I didn't have petty arguments with heh. In a backwards way I think they help us to develop. Like Ezra says when he tries to start an argument with me, I don't respond how he wants me to so he has begun to stop starting up arguments with people. We never really take them seriously or get hurt by them.

I feel intergrated. Much healthier and it is because of Ezra, nothing else could have caused it. I feel like he has installed Se and Ti in me <3. I never thought I needed anyone to help me develop, but that was just so easy and shocking. Never thought duality would do that, I thought it was overrated.

[Beautiful sky]

Rawrrr.



It means "I want you to love me" in SLE.

lol

[Satan]

So were you a guy or a girl?

Erh. Yeah cool. I just thought it was kind of odd to talk about my relationship in specifics on here. Like it seems random, people wouldn't really care would they?

I see what you mean. This thread alone would make it seem like maybe we are just being idealistic. But it's only iceberg shit. We have issues like other couples, but as duals, we help each other by realistic about it.
I am definitely not idealistic about relationships. I am cynical about them lasting forever and I am never totally sure if anything is the right thing for me.

Right.

There is insecurity in the relationship, it's not that strong and stable on the surface, because we get insecure or have doubts because it's long distance so slow to develop and the distance can lead to misunderstanding. But it is strong and stable because we care alot about each other and love each other and help each other develop our world views and characters.

Long distance. Gah.

I think I was pissed off and defensive, apart from because I felt like you were attacking Ezra, was because you were hitting on issues that we have had in the past and by bringing them up again I thought it might cause some more shit.

I didn't even realise that you were with Ezra.

Yeah lol petty arguments are a bit shit. Tbh I never met an SLE that I didn't have petty arguments with heh. In a backwards way I think they help us to develop. Like Ezra says when he tries to start an argument with me, I don't respond how he wants me to so he has begun to stop starting up arguments with people. We never really take them seriously or get hurt by them.

Cool.

I feel intergrated. Much healthier and it is because of Ezra, nothing else could have caused it. I feel like he has installed Se and Ti in me <3. I never thought I needed anyone to help me develop, but that was just so easy and shocking. Never thought duality would do that, I thought it was overrated.

Why don't you just post a picture of you two together. There's been a rumour that apparently Ezra could be gay, like there were dubious pictures on his facebook apparently. And I don't know what to believe. But from what I saw it did look like he was friendlier with the guys than the girls. So if you are a girl, maybe you're the one special girl for him, and you don't have to fight too hard for his affections. But if you're a guy, I could see why you may be a little jealous.

[dinki]

dinki

long distance can be difficult & tricky, but I've seen it work out on numerous occasions. I wish you two the best. You both really do seem happy. ;]

thanks Starfall!

[dinki]

So were you a guy or a girl?

Lol, girl, sorry.


Right.



Long distance. Gah.

I know righttt!


I didn't even realise that you were with Ezra.

HA. Pay attention .

Cool.





Why don't you just post a picture of you two together. There's been a rumour that apparently Ezra could be gay, like there were dubious pictures on his facebook apparently. And I don't know what to believe. But from what I saw it did look like he was friendlier with the guys than the girls. So if you are a girl, maybe you're the one special girl for him, and you don't have to fight too hard for his affections. But if you're a guy, I could see why you may be a little jealous.

Haha .

razz.

[Ezra]

Rawrrr.



It means "I want you to love me" in SLE.

aw cute

long distance can be difficult & tricky, but I've seen it work out on numerous occasions. I wish you two the best. You both really do seem happy. ;]

Cheers. It will work. Most of the problems we've had have been BECAUSE OF

Why don't you just post a picture of you two together. There's been a rumour that apparently Ezra could be gay, like there were dubious pictures on his facebook apparently. And I don't know what to believe. But from what I saw it did look like he was friendlier with the guys than the girls. So if you are a girl, maybe you're the one special girl for him, and you don't have to fight too hard for his affections. But if you're a guy, I could see why you may be a little jealous.

Yeah I am basically comfortable in my sexuality so that one picture to which you are referring was of me at a Christmas party back in '07. Even if I was gay, I guess Ashton (he seemed to get off on it most) doesn't really have a life, so he'd rather giggle away to himself every night that someone prefers the opposite sex.

ETA: hitta also enjoyed this picture.

For the record, mercutio, in all seriousness: I'm not gay. Nor am I bisexual.

Jesus Christ. Ya'll chill out before I lock the fucking thread.

I'LL UNLOCK IT

Miss Se

[Gilly]

lol mod duel ftw

[squark]

Well fuck out, I've already spoken out. I may as well lay my cards on the table.

What I've found is that when people talk about a relationship going well rather than specifics of a relationship it tends to mean that they're thinking about the sate of the relationship too much and they're trying to convince themselves that things are going well. This tends to be on the downward spiral where relationships tend to deteriate.

When things are going well relationships are often taken for granted, and you may say something simple like your boyfriend/girlfriend is amazing you can't believe how easy things are.

What you said, you said that you were taking care of yourself in so many ways. This is often actually what people seem to say when they're "happy" away from a bad relationship that they've just gotten out of, before they start feeling lonely, missing their past relationship etc. It's the talk of someone who is "over" something or other. And investing more time in themselves because they've removed another burden from their life.

So yeah, maybe you removed some burden. Maybe things are going well. Maybe it's grand.

And truth be told in that situation I see it as a bit of a waiting game. Do things go up, or do they go down? I can't really perceive where things are going to go. But if I look back on the past, for me warning signs of relationships going down hill is actually saying things like the relationship is going well etc, and trying to identify positive things etc like people are trying to convince themselves, and then they want to convince others.

Also, as soon as skeptism is placed, and the other person is like "you don't understand" or "we've worked... ", blah blah.. whenever there's a kind of defending it means that there's underlying shit there. People in strong healthy relationships tend to just smile be short etc. They don't get defensive.

Now you're saying you fight about dumb petty things. Well it doesn't sound like it's going so well. But it sounds like you're taking care of yourself now. I don't know if that's an individual thing or a relationship thing though? Like is he taking care of you, and you taking care of him. Or are you getting more independent ?

(i'm still not really sure if you're female or male. i ended up thinking you're probably a girl; sorry if i was incorrect)

This is perceptive, and in my experience true.

[silverchris9]

Pretty much.



Romeo and Juliet is the story of a pair of IEIs, so that wouldn't work.

You really do need some love, man. I feel sorry that you take this view. Really.

Romeo is LSI, though. Juliet is definitely Beta NF, but sometimes I wonder if she isn't EIE over IEI. Mercutio, interestingly enough, actually is SLE.

[Khola aka Bee]

Haha, get a dual haters! Jealous bitches .

I love the concept that because I do not share the same view as you, there must be something wrong with me or something that I am missing.

Better idea: explain why you feel the way you do about your views and I will listen and maybe even change my mind, rather than attempting to refute me by way of personal attack. Please. I'd quite enjoy that and then be laughing at your response, or possibly even enjoying it for entirely different reasons.

[dinki]

I'm very happy for you dinki & Ez.



Ez is a little idealistic/happy/annoying but thats just the way he is! lol

Ben, you probably have some good experience on your hands and I respect it. I also see the problems apparent in Ezra's and dinki's relationship. My view is not rose-colored by socionics. But your skepticism's not all its cracked up to be. There is a balance. It's probably something closer to my belief system, because my beliefs are always right and superior to those cocky SLEs.







I DID NOT KNOW Romeo + Juliet were a pair of IEIs?! Who seconds this? Wait...I should start a new thread...err see what other thread addresses this. >.< </3



Thats too far... :frown:



+10

[dinki]

I love the concept that because I do not share the same view as you, there must be something wrong with me or something that I am missing.

Better idea: explain why you feel the way you do about your views and I will listen and maybe even change my mind, rather than attempting to refute me by way of personal attack. Please. I'd quite enjoy that and then be laughing at your response, or possibly even enjoying it for entirely different reasons.

Haha. I was obviously joking! God, lighten up

[sigma]

Yep, I've heard about great relations going bad. I've heard about failing dualities before.

It's about taking some fucking responsibility. Shit doesn't work automatically.

I've found a dual on the net. I've known her for almost 3 years. During this time we met 3 or 4 times and every time was amazing from my point of view. She on the other hand had a different perspective on things. Maybe she liked her man more rugged and I failed at that... who knows.
Anyway, about 2 months ago I finally convinced her to let me visit her in a weekend. And I did and it was an amazing weekend. She agreed to meet again the next weekend. And we did and this time it got sexual and it was beyond amazing even if she had to restrain herself (relatives in the next room and such). I went and visited a couple more weekends and finally I convinced her to spend my work vacation together. She came to my place, stayed a couple of days and then we went to the sea side for a week.

Then all hell broke loose. Due to various reasons, I got very very tired. I felt into a kind of low energy emergency mode. Everything started to fall apart, even parts of basic hygiene.

So she saw me like this, lifeless and considered that all the time we had together until then was a show, theater, and that what was before her was the real me. She wanted to do so many things when we went to the seaside and had no partner to do it with as I was incapacitated and seam to just want to sleep.

So yeah, duality can fail. In the end it didn't matter how amazing the sex was or how good we were together in some of the moments. I just didn't measured up to her wishes, I wasn't able to "keep up".

[Joy]

Dualisation is amazinggg.

I feel way more confident, I am setting up routine, I am objective - not indulging in emotions; doing what needs to be done on impulse, getting tidy and organised and engaging in life like a healthy four should. And that is like with no work on myself what so ever, just hanging with my dual every day for 3 weeks.

I will never underestimate duality again

!

That's awesome! ^_^

Duality is indeed amazing. Not every dual is right for you, but the experience of duality is priceless even when it doesn't work out. And right now I'm totally seeing an IEI do the very thing you're talking about.

[redbaron]

just saw this thread for the first time, lol

wanna throw in the fact, for mercutio, that dinki is indeed a woman. and a beautiful one at that!

best wishes to you guys.

mercutio, I hope beyond hope that you find an IEI and that she becomes the love of your freakin life and that you're back here one day, telling us all about it.

[Shazaam]

Why do you think you can't indulge in emotions and still be confident. Emotions give me power. if I didn't feel anything, why would I be pushed to do something different, that's better for me.

=/

[Shazaam]

Even if I was gay, I guess Ashton (he seemed to get off on it most) doesn't really have a life, so he'd rather giggle away to himself every night that someone prefers the opposite sex.

That's your number one insult but you're here a lot, doing the very same thing you criticize others are doing. If you don't want people to think you're a self-hating fag, stop acting like one. =p

I don't think you're gay either, not anymore. Just umm frat boy ish. Besides the joke is getting old. It used to be, it was funny cause you were gay and closeted. But then, it was like people just started making fun of the 'gay' part. There are real full-blooded homosexuals round these parts, and that of course doesn't sit well with me.

[Ezra]

I've found a dual on the net. I've known her for almost 3 years. During this time we met 3 or 4 times and every time was amazing from my point of view. She on the other hand had a different perspective on things. Maybe she liked her man more rugged and I failed at that... who knows.
Anyway, about 2 months ago I finally convinced her to let me visit her in a weekend. And I did and it was an amazing weekend. She agreed to meet again the next weekend. And we did and this time it got sexual and it was beyond amazing even if she had to restrain herself (relatives in the next room and such). I went and visited a couple more weekends and finally I convinced her to spend my work vacation together. She came to my place, stayed a couple of days and then we went to the sea side for a week.

Then all hell broke loose. Due to various reasons, I got very very tired. I felt into a kind of low energy emergency mode. Everything started to fall apart, even parts of basic hygiene.

So she saw me like this, lifeless and considered that all the time we had together until then was a show, theater, and that what was before her was the real me. She wanted to do so many things when we went to the seaside and had no partner to do it with as I was incapacitated and seam to just want to sleep.

So yeah, duality can fail. In the end it didn't matter how amazing the sex was or how good we were together in some of the moments. I just didn't measured up to her wishes, I wasn't able to "keep up".

Are you sure she was your dual? This sounds like a socionics issue - I'm thinking mainly of your ability to "keep up", which is something like, I dunno, a non-IEI not being able to keep up with an SLE (refer to wikisocion to see what I mean), whereas an IEI can.

Obviously you're introvert, right? And so yes your dual is an extrovert, but what are you, LII or something? Sounds like your dual should be helping you; noticing when you're feeling tired and shit. This person clearly did not. From my perspective though, you started not showing initiative, then you showed some initiative, which she liked, then your true character came through. I'm not sure a few weekends, or a month, is enough to know that this person was definitely your dual.

That's your number one insult but you're here a lot, doing the very same thing you criticize others are doing. If you don't want people to think you're a self-hating fag, stop acting like one. =p

I come here maybe once a day or something. I don't really care if people think I'm a "self-hating fag" especially not the people on here. It's okay for them to be wrong.

I don't think you're gay either, not anymore. Just umm frat boy ish. Besides the joke is getting old. It used to be, it was funny cause you were gay and closeted. But then, it was like people just started making fun of the 'gay' part. There are real full-blooded homosexuals round these parts, and that of course doesn't sit well with me.

Haha, yeah, no shit Sam. These people are the gay-bashing Republicans Friedman-arse-licking retards.

[FDG]

I never become tidier with duality btw

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

a non-IEI not being able to keep up with an SLE (refer to wikisocion to see what I mean), whereas an IEI can.

link.now.

[Ezra]

link.now.

Aggressor - Wikisocion

"Victim: Aggressors tend to perceive Victims simultaneously as pleasantly able to "keep up" regarding more "intensive" interactions, and also as not annoyingly prone to always wanting "to win". Aggressor women perceive Victim men as totally devoted yet reassuringly "strong"."

"Infantiles tend to perceive Aggressors as a bit too "rough" and even slightly scary on occasion, or perhaps just as obnoxious"

"Caregivers tend to perceive Aggressors as a bit over-the-top in their approach to romantic interactions and sexuality and ultimately not pleasant to have stable intimate relationships with."

[Ezra]

link.now.

Aggressor - Wikisocion

"Victim: Aggressors tend to perceive Victims simultaneously as pleasantly able to "keep up" regarding more "intensive" interactions, and also as not annoyingly prone to always wanting "to win". Aggressor women perceive Victim men as totally devoted yet reassuringly "strong"."

"Infantiles tend to perceive Aggressors as a bit too "rough" and even slightly scary on occasion, or perhaps just as obnoxious"

"Caregivers tend to perceive Aggressors as a bit over-the-top in their approach to romantic interactions and sexuality and ultimately not pleasant to have stable intimate relationships with."

[sigma]

Are you sure she was your dual? This sounds like a socionics issue - I'm thinking mainly of your ability to "keep up", which is something like, I dunno, a non-IEI not being able to keep up with an SLE (refer to wikisocion to see what I mean), whereas an IEI can.

I know the Aggressor-Victim thing BUT I discovered that I wasn't a worthy Victim.
I collapsed physically first, I ended up without stamina and in the end she was right, we could have done much more and didn't.

As for the question "Is she my dual?" I believe she is indeed a SLE but a very strange SLE.
She got a lot of "hits" and ended up retreating into the safety of her original environment where she renounced the idea of going back into battle, effectively putting her life on hold.

[discojoe]

Duality can be scary.

I’m being stalked by a SLE named Alejandro. I thought I was rid of him, but he's calling people who know me & yesterday he just showed up at my job, out of nowhere... wtf. Why would a SLE do this?

He wants to fuck.

[discojoe]

He should find himself a prostitute or slut then. He’s just creeping me out.

I'll protect you.

[FDG]

Most IxFx are creeped out by guys (even duals) that try to hit on them, yet they end up being their girlfriends.

[discojoe]

blah. I refuse to get sucked in, even if he is really good looking. Kind of lame when you have to force yourself to stay away from your own dual.

If he's stalking you then there's a decent chance he's a psycho anyway.

[Absurd]

blah. I refuse to get sucked in, even if he is really good looking. Kind of lame when you have to force yourself to stay away from your own dual.

You can always kill him. No one would notice.