Ashton: SLE-Ti 8w7 sx/sp

[Wavebury]

I want a thread about me

[xerx]

then could you clarify her point a bit further? afaik all she really did, was claim ashton as Ti because he tweaked his subjective grasp of a model and diverged from 'classical' standards in furthering understanding.

It's too far back to remember what it was that I agreed with, but I think it was a minor point.

I don't know what Ashton's type is, and call this a subjective impression, but I usually get an anxious feeling around LIEs, since I feel like they're my intellectual equals. I can sense they have the ability to destroy my wit or intellect with theirs, and vice versa. The most challenging competitors I've consistently faced in Math classes were LIEs.

They have better memory for certain things than I do, they're quicker in thinking about certain problems.

I don't get the same feeling around Ashton. Maybe I have to meet him in person, Idk.

[xerx]

Mostly I just get a feeling that we'd hit each other's vulnerable functions all day and end up embarrassing the other. Going for low blows instead of actual intellectual competition between NTs.

[xerx]

rofl

[Azeroffs]

It's too far back to remember what it was that I agreed with, but I think it was a minor point.

I don't know what Ashton's type is, and call this a subjective impression, but I usually get an anxious feeling around LIEs, since I feel like they're my intellectual equals. I can sense they have the ability to destroy my wit or intellect with theirs, and vice versa. The most challenging competitors I've consistently faced in Math classes were LIEs.

They have better memory for certain things than I do, they're quicker in thinking about certain problems.

I don't get the same feeling around Ashton. Maybe I have to meet him in person, Idk.

I've felt the same around ILE actually

p.s. why is this thread still going.. lol

[xerx]

I don't know, you seem to initiate little feuds with me (from my POV) and it's annoying. I don't get into intellectual-dick-measuring contests, it doesn't serve a purpose. I'd do that sort of thing when I was a lot younger, but not anymore.

I don't try to initiate anything with you, except civil discussion. You always end up insulting me, which I rightfully respond to. Just because I seem curt doesn't mean I hate you, it's just the way I talk on-line because it's quicker to type out and because I'm not a naturally diplomatic person.

[Azeroffs]

it's just the way I talk on-line.

On this forum you gotta pick you words carefully.

[xerx]

On this forum you gotta pick you words carefully.

I've become indifferent to it.

[xerx]

9/10 times it's never my intention to be insulting either, and I'm taken aback when someone reads me that way. Don't get me wrong, in retrospect I often do see how I can come off that way. It's something I continually work at improving (it's a problem IRL too), so I don't mind when people point it out. There are also times when I'm just being humorous… but it never seems to work and people always take me deadly seriously (except for those who know me).

I'll keep it in mind.

[EyeSeeCold]

LIE? I don't see it. He's definitely not the same type as Expat and pretty much acts like all the other SLEs here, with creative Ti. His conception of Te/Fi and Ti/Fe is flawed.

I think Ti-SLE might work better than Se-SLE, but I don't have a knowledge of the subtypes. I just know that he's an SLE, might be EIE, but doubt it. I'd put SLE first. He doesn't have any Te in his ego, or value of Te. I don't understand why people think he does.

He seems to want to retype all the Gammas as other types to defend his self typing, or to feel better about it, or something. Like he retyped Expat as LSE, Diana as EII, and niffweed, aixelsyd as LII, etc, and kind of just mistypes everyone. He gets along the best with Betas, that's for certain.



I think Cpig is probably LSI too. He reminds me a ton of Abbie, Tom, and a few other LSIs, and gets along the best with Betas.

A layman who tries to use logic to prove something uses "layman's logic." You can use logic without addressing facts.



Why do you think he's Te dominant? What I can tell is that he misrepresents what Te actually is, and relates too much to Se and more to Ti than Te. I honestly don't believe he's really LIE. It's sort of ridiculous at this point in knowing him. If people don't really know what an LIE is, and are going to call him the LIE exemplar, I don't know what to say. It's an ignorant use of Socionics.

Ashton gets along great with Betas too, and there aren't many Gammas who seem to really respect him or his motives, or how he goes about expressing himself. Those Gammas he retyped as Delta and Alpha, for example.

Ezra has a good point, through and through, even if it sounds a little overexaggerated. I have a lot to say about Ezra's points, I think they're good points. I can find a lot of information to back up why I think Ashton is definitely a Beta, Fe/Ti valuer, but it would take a lot of time gathering all of that and I am starting to lose interest on the matter, and just want to speak generally. I am kind of lazy. I think those who know he's an SLE will probably know what I'm talking about, because I figure most of those people study the material and have reason to say SLE, and I think a lot of people saying LIE don't really know why. They're going by more of a hunch that he doesn't seem like other Betas or something, even though I think Beta is the quadra he fits into the best. I still don't see anyone trying to actually defend and explain how he's Te. Just a lot of silly talk.

Aixelsyd, you bring up a good point about sort of letting it go, and go along with whatever seems factually accurate from second opinions, which does seem to sort of change, and something I've adhered to often. That's kind of what I'm inclined to do too, but Asthon's reluctance to do so and really stick with the consistency of his system and not consider the facts, doesn't make LIE stand out to me. The forum opinions just don't seem to be making any point as to why he's LIE. He comes across to have usage of all Beta values, and like I said, retyping real Gammas, putting them in another quadra, typing certain Betas he appears to like more than others, as Gamma--like Allie and Cpig.

This experience has sort of changed my perception of "the consensus," and there's been sufficent examples as to why I shouldn't trust it.

But anyway, since you were kind of unsure about his typing, I'm wondering why you're somewhat hesitant to think he's SLE, even though you have usually assumed he is? What facts seem to preclude that he's a Te type? I've been trying to get a straight answer out of people--and I figure I'd ask you because you are a Te type and can probably provide some useful insight to me.

oops

[EyeSeeCold]

Don't be so insecure. It's just a forum with old data.

[Wavebury]

Don't be so insecure. It's just a forum with old data.

So why bump the thread after aeons have passed?

[717495]

lol

[Aiss]

So why bump the thread after aeons have passed?

Old Ones awake?

[Absurd]

Old Ones awake?

Good one.

[Creepy-pokeball]

I wasn't talking about vibes/signals but the weight of the expression itself and how it alters the environment around it. Everyone gets instinctive vibes/signals, yeah I agree.



Noticing muscular features and how they interact to produce different facial expressions, as well as keeping track of those movements, sounds roughly like sensing to me. I can't imagine an intuitive with enough perceptual acuity to do something like that on a long-term basis.

I always memorize body type, features, strengths, posture weaknesses, etc., regardless of whether or not I like them. My favorite two things are how different people walk and how different people react to their surroundings visually. It tells a lot about them.

I'm an NF and a 7 so of course I do this. Its not a black or white exclusive/inclusive habit.

As for Ashton and Justin, I can feel Gamma Fi a mile away. It is so much different than Delta Fi. Whether or not they are aware of its presence or their want for it, its very present.

[Reuben]

Ashie is clearly a Ti/Fe type. He doesn't like Colbie Caillat.

NECROHUMP

[Creepy-pokeball]

Youre clearly either a Ding Dong. HoHo, Twinkie, or a Tiger Tail, but you're definitely not a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup.

[rat1]

I'll keep it in mind.

You're a fag

[rat1]

Thanks for the warning hkkmr

[Reuben]

you're a gif -> you're a fig -> you're a fat -> you're a gag

hell i can't seem to get the word out. I think i'll never be warned by hk every again

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