dont have time to read thru the whole thread but i just want to say that if Ashton were to be a type different from LIE, I would pick LSE over SLE.
EIE
SLE
IEI
LSI
ESE
ILE
SEI
LII
LIE
SEE
ILI
ESI
LSE
IEE
SLI
EII
dont have time to read thru the whole thread but i just want to say that if Ashton were to be a type different from LIE, I would pick LSE over SLE.
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You're free to try to explain why he's Te. I've already explained myself in a few threads this week on the topic of his type, and why he's Ti creative, and ignores Te. I think a lot of his playful, silly demeanor isn't like Fi valuers very much (just on the topic of Fi vs Fe). Not to where he's an Fe dominant though, just that he easily feeds off of Fe conduct and doesn't seem to care at all about Fi, dispite whatever fabrications of Fi he has. He quoted something I wrote in a thread, yesterday, that talked about how he types all the people whos emotions are fake as Fe--which really sort of illuminated a large portion of his Fi/Fe ideology, and isn't something I would really ever associate to the information elements. That is, it's obvious that if he was trying to read about the information elements, he skipped over some implications that Fe doesn't mean you're an emotional fake, and Fi doesn't mean you're always true and down to earth. The difference between Fi and Fe is easily illustrated by the basic terms of "serious" and "playful," and not in terms of "down to earth" and "emotionally fake," or whatever else there is to say, why Ashton dislikes what he sees as Fe types so much. I recommend people reading Expat's and Rick's posts about the difference between Fe and Fi valuing to gather some useful insight. I think most people here are Fe/Ti valuers, have a playful, open to systematic insight feel, but don't really discuss outside of the various systems: what other systems there are, the objective factual perspective that which seems a lot more Te to me, and this forum seems to really lack Gamma and Delta Fi/Te stuffs. I doubt from what I've seen that Ashton does a good job at representing the Te perspective.
ugh all this "16types vs Socionix!!1" shit and wars about who's a real Gamma and who isn't has gotten beyond old
I know, I thought we were so past this. I find Ezra's lack of faith...disturbing.Originally Posted by glamourama
ugh all this "16types vs Socionix!!1" shit and wars about who's a real Gamma and who isn't has gotten beyond old
For real. Everyone's said things they aren't proud of. Let's just leave that centuries old blood feud behind us and move on. We can all question or support Ashton's LIE typing without invoking a four year old flame war (most of whose participants don't even post here anymore) every time it's brought up.ugh all this "16types vs Socionix!!1" shit and wars about who's a real Gamma and who isn't has gotten beyond old
The way ashton interacts with others on this forum does make me want to say Ti-creative, and I actually don't see a lot of reason to think he is Te-ego. And, I'm not inclined to believe that ashton is an ethical type. Based on my limited impression, I am leaning toward SLE.
The least you guys could do if you're going to have these typing wars is give reasons for your opinions like ezra and poli. I especially liked gilly's sprinkling of meaningless assertions with no back-up thoughts or anything.
Man don't use my senseless hooting as a prop. I just don't have time for you fuckers.
Besides, poli didn't give any rationale whatsoever, just an empty half-wall of text. And all Ezra did was cite niffweed's hollow reasoning which is solely based on their mutually delusional perception of Ashton as a ringleader-bully.
At least I'm honest about not saying anything.
Ok whoever voted Ashton as an Fe dominant needs to get their fuckin head checked.
Obviously you have enough time to read through the posts and post your own. And, I would hope others agree that if you don't have something worth contributing, it would be better if you didn't contribute at all. It only serves as an irritation and a feeding of the flames.
Tom and Abbie aren't as agreed upon type wise (but I can see how people would just go along with ESTj, because that's what they selftype, even though there is plenty of scattered evidence, especially in the case of Abbie's persona, that they're dominantly Ti, Te ignoring). However almost everybody on here thinks Expat is an LIE because there are tons of evidence and arguments to assure that typing is correct. Diana has always typed as ESI, and started considering LSI. But never did she change to Delta and Se-PoLR, as you'd like to call her. Maybe instead you want to explain how you're a Te type? Because I see no similarity in that regard to you and Expat, or any of those Gammas you want to retype, like I've been trying to illustrate bits at a time, no Te-ness. Unless you just want to reiterate all the gut feelings you have about being an ENTj and how you feel about Gammas, and not try to use Socionics or explain the facts, go right ahead. That's typically what I'd expect to hear from you.
He focuses on Te (information and efficiency, deals with the external activity of objects, i.e the how, what and where of events, activity or work, behaviour, algorithms, movement, and actions); if you can't gather that from just one of his serious posts and compare it to how Mercutio posts then you're either far blinder then I am, far more ignorant, or completely ignoring, or perhaps that all of your Extroverted functions are highly weak and you don't have any Ti...
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/678677-post55.html
He responds to Fi and he responds to me so thumbs up for Te ego block holder and Fi valuing (if you have any doubts then look at the way he responds to me in an interpersonal relationship in any place where I am feeling particularly down or upset).
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Ha, interesting, for several reasons. I didn't think he could resist returning. Assuming you are correct.
In any case, this is what my SLE husband says about socionics:
"This all sounds retarded. It drives me fucking nuts when I hear you and XXX talk about socionics when you are together. I don't give a rat's ass about this shit"
Ezra, you are in the minority, I think, if you are a solid SLE. Most SLEs that I know are like my husband who really don't give a shit about about this theory unless something earth shattering in their lives happens that forces them to introspect. Furthermore, I seriously doubt they would go as far as create a special forum for the purpose of exploring socionics.
Nothing that Ashton says really grates me. In fact, I enjoy reading his posts. I sometimes question whether he is LIE. I wonder if he is best suited under Alpha (ENTp?). Regardless, I have no objections to ENTj-Ni.
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You type everyone as SLI or LSE, and I think most people question your understanding, and those who have been a bit more accustomed to people in a Socionics sense type you as a Beta. Me too. I think those who become more and more accustomed to the types, sooner or later they'll start see the clearer difference between Ashton and LIEs, and will see how he's an SLE--if he's still around for people to care.He focuses on Te (information and efficiency); if you can't gather that from just one of his serious posts and compare it to how Mercutio posts then you're either far blinder then I am, far more ignorant, or completely ignoring, or perhaps that all of your Extroverted functions are highly weak and you don't have any Ti...
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/678677-post55.html
He responds to Fi and he responds to me so thumbs up for Te ego block holder and Fi valuing (if you have any doubts then look at the way he responds to me in an interpersonal relationship in any place where I am feeling particularly down or upset).
I think the idea of actually having to know or talk to some one to type them is laughable. Look at celebrity typings.
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It depends on the person. Fake and complex have often been words from two different people to describe the same person. Some people come across as more complex, but their Socionics type is also more obvious.
Here we go again, another re-typing based on typical polikujm preimes "people that know socionics would type you the same as I do". Ridiculous.
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I've already provided my opinion on why he's Ti, in this thread, and explained why in a few other threads earlier this week. Why don't you address that material, instead of nitpicking at the more obvious opinions? Sure I think people who get better at Socionics and learn the more potent representation of the types will eventually come to see he's an SLE. I've learned about a bunch of different Socionics systems, looked at different opinions, but never had confusion accepting that reality.
What material man u just go on saying "it's like this because the experts (and me) say so" in an extremely convoluted wall-of-text fashion.
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Well I think the experts I see as understanding Socionics would easily understand the rationale I use to type him SLE, even if both Rick and Expat think Ashton is an EIE. Niffweed is a fine Socionicist and also holds to the classical Socionics understandings like Rick and Expat, and has clearer rationale to me why Ashton is an SLE. He's Beta either way. I don't know why I sound so crazy with my opinions, to Betas, and why they're offended by my critiques. It's like you guys need everything to make sense and all the words to flow together, but then you don't actually care about the factual points being made. Well, whatever, if you don't like it, don't pick at it with empty remarks.
If this thread was any gayer I'd be in a local hospital flipping through my pocket translator, struggling to find how to read the kanji for "ruptured rectum."
Does anyone recall what Diana typed him? Just curious.
lmao
Arguments like this go nowhere, I could say ISFp and find a way to argue it my way. It is almost like there is a mental block in the way most people think on here. Of course Ashton may fit one type more than another(as is the purpose of theoretical isolations of information metabolism in its correlation with people); that doesn't mean that Ashton IS a type; he simply relates to it.
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Definitely not LIE. I think she had him down as Beta.
I heard recently that we often identify with our benefactors. I thought I was an LIE when I first joined, then I realised certain things. Ashton is the same as me, but he hasn't realised certain things.
Can we just be fucking honest? Nobody qualifies anything; there are no good explicit reasons for us to type someone a certain way. This isn't a fucking science. We all work with a certain subjective framework, impressions of what the types are like, and apply that/project it onto other people. That's how this shit works. A bunch of people come up with rationalizations and laundry lists of "reasons," but really we are all working off of our impressions. And you know what? That's just fucking fine. JUST FUCKING FINE. Why? Because that's what Jung did, that's what Aushra did, that's what anyone who is any good at this does. So quit bitching about how each other are wrong and just...I don't fucking know, listen to each other, and hope that something actually shines through.
Haha, ILE rant
true, BUT some people are actually wrong and I will continue to call them wrong because they provide fuck all reasoning for anything.
Case in point. This is not only an INSANELY Ti way of arguing, to the point where I can't even see how the fuck anyone types him as Gamma - you've got to be an absolute fucking mong to think he is Gamma.
But where's the actual substance? The evidence that he's an LIE? He doesn't have any, because he's not an LIE. So he'll continue to argue with questions. It's an easy way of defending your ideas.
I'd also just like to point out the ridiculousness of the mod adding every single type. It's quite clear that dumb fucks choose types which no one even thinks Ashton is, to distort the actual results. It's quite clear he is either Beta extrovert, and if he's Gamma, it doesn't even matter what he is, because he isn't Gamma. The purpose of the poll is for me to see the ratio of idiots not worth bothering with to people on this forum who actually may have a glimmer of understanding about socionics.
If you don't want to hear any other opinion, just don't start a topic.
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hahahahahaCase in point. This is not only an INSANELY Ti way of arguing, to the point where I can't even see how the fuck anyone types him as Gamma - you've got to be an absolute fucking mong to think he is Gamma.
But where's the actual substance? The evidence that he's an LIE? He doesn't have any, because he's not an LIE. So he'll continue to argue with questions. It's an easy way of defending your ideas.
My god you are fucking annoying.
holy shit dude if your post count was velocity measured in miles per hour you'd be in fucking orbit
lmfao
yeah I'm crazy like that.
A less inept analogy would be posts per day, or posts per unit time.holy shit dude if your post count was velocity measured in miles per hour you'd be in fucking orbit
You know, considering velocity is change in displacement over time.
Hey I just realized, I broke 18k today.
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But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Ezra, your reasoning is really shitty. You quote niffweed saying Ashton is SLE, and then you suggest EIE for him yourself in the next paragraph. You're bringing up other forum people and making assumptions about them, and then using those assumptions to assume things about Ashton. We'll really get somewhere with that. Polikujm is also taking that route.
Saying people are idiots if they don't agree is supposed to what? Intimidate them? Shame them into agreeing?It doesn't work that way. Especially if you have a really poor argument to begin with.
My tentative vote is XIE. We'll just leave that as impression rather than reasoning for now, but at least it's not copied and pasted from some other moron, or dependent on perceptions of interactions based on assumptions of other forumers.
That is not a Ti point in arguing; Ti seeks to define a term; he will ask you what is LIE and what is SLE and will eliminate variables and other words to come up with a consistent and predictable rule, model or system; he, on the other hand, argues from Te, making a point and arguing that point with a lot of information. Ezra, it makes sense to you because you also use Te and you can't just jump at this and tell him he's SLE when you don't understand the basic functions of Ti and Te. To use Nifweed to make your argument or to solidify it is absolute horse poop (sorry!). What authority does he have in socionics, what credentials and what understand can you possibly attribute to this individual; I for one, have observed him making many typing errors.
And, why will you not revisit your own typing of yourself from the past as LIE, before you got confused about things?
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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