What traits do Gammas appreciate in others?

[nanashi]

For me, (Romantically): be a mature dual of mine. LOL

for me, (platonically): be aware, be considerate, be respectful, stand up to oppression, or be intellectually stimulating, etc.

understand, especially because you value Fe, that I feel attacked by it sometimes or like it's a foreign, awkward ritual. . .

Don't require me to show affection the way you're used to it. My complimenting someone or hanging out or protecting someone can be a sign of affection....


Give me information.

Allow me (the gamma) to help you with something.

Give me ideas to think about, NOT in a demeaning or vain way. I will be less interested in discussing it and focus on analyzing your vanity if you do it with a puffed-up manner.

DO NOT CALL ME ILLOGICAL simply because we use differing Ts ( and ). Seriously!

also, my ex (ILE) would not have his needs met when my was used. My needs weren't met when his was used. It's pretty frustrating. Same with my best friend who's an ILE. He and I find great comfort in the NT retreat we share from the world, though.

I really like a great many things about ILEs.

We have explosive fights, though. I prefer analyzing why we're fighting (not in front of non-NTs, tho).

Some very great bonding with my ILE buddy.

It helped me a lot to read that ILEs wonder, "What does this person want from me?" when an Fi expression is made. I had to explain it to an EII that the ILE feels manipulated by stuff like this. I like that I get to say it to him, but I don't pause for acknowledgment, like I would with other types. I hope that helps. It's seemed to work better.


I don't know how best to describe it, but there's a thing that riles me in ILE-ILI interaction:
I don't know if it's Ti or Si, but when ILEs say something IS a certain way and use this subjective opinion in an argument (especially about people), it drives me nuts sometimes. i don't know how best to say it...

[Skeptic]

I am in favor of;
-Argument. Any topic. Anything goes.
-Driven people who know what they are living for. This doesn't mean Se; it just means you've got a reason to live for that I haven't already ruled out as outright stupidity.
-Confidence and expertise in what you are talking about
-Focus in conversation matter; interactions can't be bouncing off the walls, a topic deserves more than a few minutes' consideration.

I am against;
-People who don't live by their own principles; I loathe hypocrisy/inconsistency
-Lack of direction or goals in life.

Sounds Ni valuing I guess. I tried not to be bias based on functions but there you go Why don't you tell us what type you're trying to win over, as I think you'll just get ILI responses

[Satan]

I am in favor of;
-Argument. Any topic. Anything goes.
-Driven people who know what they are living for. This doesn't mean Se; it just means you've got a reason to live for that I haven't already ruled out as outright stupidity.
-Confidence and expertise in what you are talking about
-Focus in conversation matter; interactions can't be bouncing off the walls, a topic deserves more than a few minutes' consideration.

I am against;
-People who don't live by their own principles; I loathe hypocrisy/inconsistency
-Lack of direction or goals in life.

Sounds Ni valuing I guess. I tried not to be bias based on functions but there you go Why don't you tell us what type you're trying to win over, as I think you'll just get ILI responses

FWIW,

I found myself reading then skipping off (using the mouse gesture) back to the main page to look for more interesting things to read.

Then I figured I'd give my take.

A lot of what you're saying that you think is Ni is actually Te. Hence the kind of repel in me.

I think that
"-Focus in conversation matter; interactions can't be bouncing off the walls, a topic deserves more than a few minutes' consideration."

Is what puts ILI's off me the fastest...

[Skeptic]

FWIW,

I found myself reading then skipping off (using the mouse gesture) back to the main page to look for more interesting things to read.

Then I figured I'd give my take.

A lot of what you're saying that you think is Ni is actually Te. Hence the kind of repel in me.

I think that
"-Focus in conversation matter; interactions can't be bouncing off the walls, a topic deserves more than a few minutes' consideration."

Is what puts ILI's off me the fastest...

That's true; intense and focused conversation with a specific lack of craziness probably means Te. I was thinking the driven/long term goals business was more Ni/Se related even though I didn't intend it.

[Satan]

That's true; intense and focused conversation with a specific lack of craziness probably means Te. I was thinking the driven/long term goals business was more Ni/Se related even though I didn't intend it.

Thing is, I can have intense focused conversation. It's the "lack of craziness" bit that I can't help

With regards to driven / long term goals. Well, I don't really pay much attention to that ...

Some people have all these long term goals and are really driven and they're really lame, and some people are cool but don't have good long term goals or lack drive .. to get them done. I wouldn't say /that/ is a priority for me. So I don't see it. But maybe ILI's do. Do they lack their own drive and goals, and need to find other people who can prop them up or something?

[Skeptic]

In my case, you should have some goals and aspirations of some kind. I have a hard time relating to people who don't have some idea of where they want to go in life. I really enjoy talking about that kind of stuff.

I love arguments, controversial discussions, and philosophical discussions.

Talk to me about personal things. Obviously if you walk up to me and start telling me about your sex life it's gong to be a little weird, but if I know you're name and at least a little about you, I can't imagine myself shying away from anything personal you want to talk about.

Ask me for advice. (If you do that in combination with one of the above, you've won me over.)

Be mature, some common decency never hurt.

I agree with everything.

Thing is, I can have intense focused conversation. It's the "lack of craziness" bit that I can't help

With regards to driven / long term goals. Well, I don't really pay much attention to that ...

Some people have all these long term goals and are really driven and they're really lame, and some people are cool but don't have good long term goals or lack drive .. to get them done. I wouldn't say /that/ is a priority for me. So I don't see it. But maybe ILI's do. Do they lack their own drive and goals, and need to find other people who can prop them up or something?

The desire for actualization of planned goals may be more gamma because of the Ni + Te as opposed to Ni + Fe, so maybe a logical thing too; something an NF would be less concerned with. I'm curious if there is an alpha equivalent to that, as they are the only comparison when dealing with NTs. It would certainly fit the stereotype of work oriented gamma NTs...

Also, yes, I do have issues actually following through with my plans. Often there have been outside influences in my life to flip a switch to turn on my motivation; I'm terribly poor at generating that sort of stuff myself. I find myself with an abundance of goals though; how many of them will ever be actualized on account of my laziness I don't know...

EDIT; Hold up, I'm still unconvinced; I was told that Nietzsche who some of you might recognize as the over quoted guy on people's facebooks, was EIE and his writing was absolutely based on actualization of goals and aspirations. I looked him up and some identify him as ILI, so perhaps someone has insight into his type and we can declare this truth or not?

[Satan]

I agree with everything.



The desire for actualization of planned goals may be more gamma because of the Ni + Te as opposed to Ni + Fe, so maybe a logical thing too; something an NF would be less concerned with. I'm curious if there is an alpha equivalent to that, as they are the only comparison when dealing with NTs. It would certainly fit the stereotype of work oriented gamma NTs...

Also, yes, I do have issues actually following through with my plans. Often there have been outside influences in my life to flip a switch to turn on my motivation; I'm terribly poor at generating that sort of stuff myself. I find myself with an abundance of goals though; how many of them will ever be actualized on account of my laziness I don't know...

EDIT; Hold up, I'm still unconvinced; I was told that Nietzsche who some of you might recognize as the over quoted guy on people's facebooks, was EIE and his writing was absolutely based on actualization of goals and aspirations. I looked him up and some identify him as ILI, so perhaps someone has insight into his type and we can declare this truth or not?

i thought he was intx...

and i don't think of him as a facebook guy so much, but some alienated guy that gave up on society and went and lived away from it all and wrote down his thoughts and experiences....

he wasn't really living .. he was observing ...

You know, there are some simple tricks to become more motivated.

It's obvious in your language,

like how you go "I find myself with an abundance of goals though; how many of them will ever be actualized on account of my laziness I don't know..."

When you say "I find myself", it means you're externalising and taking away your will from the situation. As if you can't help it.

When you say you have an abundance of goals it sounds ilke you have more than you need. And so you need to filter them down.

"How many of them will ever be actualized" makes it sound like you realise that you can't complete them all and need to prioritise.

On account of your lazyness ...

Well, that means you're blaming yourself. As if you're inadequete. And can't solve the problem on your own. First, stop blaming your own lazyness. Second filter, third prioritise. Forth, execute.

Fifth, unwind, relax, and don't focus on goals so much. So that you don't get burned out.