What should it be?
ESFj
ISFp
INTj
ENTp
ESTp
ISTj
INFp
ENFj
INTp
ENTj
ESFp
ISFj
ESTj
ISTp
INFj
ENFp
A Good One
An Evil One
Don't know/Don't care
I don't think you are genuine.
Has a screw loose somewhere.
What should it be?
ENTp huh? I haven't gotten that impression. So far INTp makes the most sense tentatively.
You were what before ?
INTp. But I've considered INFj, INFp, ISFj, INTj, ENTj.
Would this be an example of Fe PoLR, or Fe ignoring/limiting?
One day I went to a cafeteria I often go to and there was a person I had recognized before at the cash register. She's an obvious Fe base and seems to make a game out of the many ways she can ask someone how they are doing and get some shock appeal or emotion out of them. A day before I had smiled slyly and asked her how many times she thinks she greets people and she said she doesn't know and could count it, and I said "Nah, it's not worth it." and walked away ending the conversation there with a smile on face. But this day I think she remembered me and took offense or thought I was being condescending when I talked to her because she seemed turned off to the smiling friendly gesture I had given her and didn't engage me like she does all the other customers because I've sit close to her and watched her before out of some kind of fascination. And when I left that day I smiled and said "see ya" and then she gave me a dead look said "have a nice day". This was totally not normal. Then I thought "wtf, either she thinks I'm an asshole, thinks I'm really weird, or she feels awkward around me." And now I'm starting to remember my fucked up interactions with an ESE I had to live with for awhile. So that's Fe PoLR?
Really, it seems impossible for anyone to be ILI. It seems like you'd have to be retarded or autistic to have Fe PoLR. I just can't fathom it. Does anyone have a good explanation of Fe PoLR?
There are other things it could be.
She may have thought your "it doesn't matter" comment implied that she didn't matter.:frown:
It could also be that as friendly as she's been with all the customers, that she got put on notice to tone it down.![]()
It could be she was having a not so great moment/day.![]()
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Or any number of other things.
Or, lol, it could mean she thinks you're weird for sitting down and watching her, you stalker you.![]()
ooh, or maybe she likes you and suddenly froze up in anxiety over what to say.![]()
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IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Okay.
Not emotionally stunted. Just Fe-stunted, Fe-vulnerable. It is Fi-PoLRs who can't easily see Fi as emotions because they aren't really accessible or apparent to their radar (something you choose to attribute to Fe types instead of Fi types for whatever reason.)
I wouldn't call ILI robots--more like aliens. LIIs seem more robotic.
Hey divided. Tell us why you think you'reego.
Whenever Fe POLR is used to describe issues socially interacting with others, you know there is a problem with the description. It's just not true. Some people may use it to describe a lack of social skills, but this is a totally wrong use of socionics and is an excuse for not putting in effort to improve their social skills/may just be a misunderstanding. INTps are perfectly capable of light socializing with all types in the socion; conflicts may or may not arise in more heavy conversation with an Fe ego. Everyone is different, though, so conversation can not be scientifically broken down by socionics...
I'm also interested in why you are considering bigegos coupled with
egos. Why do you think you're logical as opposed to the ethical types you considered?
I disagree with that. I think most ILIs would disagree with that. Fe-PoLR plays a large role in the behavior relating to not doing well in social interactions, a similar parallel to Fi-PoLR, and structurally it begins to name a number of various reasons connected to how Fe users process things. It has nothing to do with not being able to improve one's social skills though, and improving some Fe-related methods. But most ILIs aren't like that--and you can find this negative element in many ILI descriptions. It comes down to grasping what Fi and Fe are and how they fundamentally differ--that they have a different set of goals, and what the absence and vulnerability of Fe ultimately implies for an ILI or SLI realistically.
I do agree though, that any type can get better at anything, when they put their mind to it.
ILIs just aren't very in tune to the emotional environment of situations and among people, or just don't really care about how people express, but rather the sort of raw information that's given. I think that's the best way to put it, and additionally because of PoLR they feel overly awkward around Fe displays and environments, like a social game within a fun interaction, a busy hangout where thoughts are flying around, a party, even a chat room, and just see an overall problem being a significant part of the social world. It has a lot to do with what's being said and implied through emotional context. Things tend to seem overbearing, nothing sticks, and Fe-PoLRs really dislike displays from Fe-dominants or being their center of attention, because it feels smothering. Fe-PoLRs are also horrible at understanding social cues, like what different sentiments are being exchanged in the reality of a conversation, and the underlying meanings in how normal people express themselves day to day, and don't like or grasp the variety of emotional remarks or ways of small talk, much preferring raw information. There tends to be an overall difficulty engaging in the atmosphere, knowing what to do or say much of the time, not really having anything likable to contribute. There's a strong tendency that Fe-PoLRs would be the social rejects or the antisocials of the socion, even though as they grow older I think they will have an easier time coping among people using their Te or Fi instead, or other methods besides those associated with understanding Fe.
Here's an Fe-PoLR description that illustrates some good points
ILIs are typically out of touch with expressing their emotional states. They are often seen as cold, unresponsive, and undesiring of human contact (which is often not the case). As a consequence, ILIs tend to be somewhat reclusive and often feel out of touch with their social surroundings. The rules of social "games" are often not naturally understood by ILIs. The are often unconfident and uneasy in social settings, especially those in which they feel that are expected to abide by social conventions that they have little connection to such as tribesmanship or purposeless joviality. Additionally, ILIs tend to regard the development of trust with others with significant anxiety, fearing that their inner world or antisocial tendencies will be unfavorably looked upon by others, and that most of the good will and friendliness they see in others is a pretense of social interaction rather than an expression of genuine emotional reactions. Often ILIs eschew many social situations and neglect emotional association with groups, instead seeking deep emotional connections with individuals.
ILIs are often seen as especially negative, harsh, and overly critical. This is in part because ILIs -- when serious -- tend to communicate in a direct, straightforward manner. They sometimes are unaware of others' reactions to their ideas and may avoid sugar-coating them. Many ILIs see their criticism as constructive and believe that they would be doing others no good by withholding their ideas. Because of their incessant criticism and negativism, ILIs are sometimes seen as haughty or arrogant.
Well apparently we have an Fe valuer.
Judging from that response, I take it that you don't really understand Fe PoLR and Fi-valuing the way ILIs and SLIs do. (though sorry I'm not really sure who you are referring to.)
Yeah aiss is likely an ILI and she is a girl. ILI are typically pretty sensitive creatures.
I think it's a typical misunderstanding for Fe valuers to think that ILIs are robots, when they're really not like that. I presume you're implying instead that ILIs aren't robots because you think they're your mirror, and not because you actually understand ILIs. I think however most people who read about Fe-PoLR similarly to what I've written here will not take it out of context like you've been doing.
Lol, it's okay. What you and Polikujm discussed was interesting and I'm not sure I expected a resolution anyway, but was willing to see if I could be wrong.
Well, I'm not really sure about that exactly. I'm pretty sure that I'm not a Te/Fe/Se/Ne ego. I'm not really sure about Si, but I don't match up with ISFps or ISTps in terms of their enjoyment in Si matters, such as enjoying spending lots of time and money on good food and activities that don't require too much in-dept learning, unless it is a personal interest or something they need to do for work or school. Not that I'm suggesting that I think they are dumb, I'm not. It's just that I'm a lot less likely to be able to get an Si-dominant to play a game like Risk, Chess, or an RTS-game. Although an ISTp might as long as they think you have explained the rules clearly, eloquantly, quickly, and as non-contradictory as possible, or else they quickly refuse to play and end the game by disconnecting or tossing the board in the air; it's a bit comical actually. But I guess theory-wise this would be them getting tired of having to use Ni-role and wanting to do something else, if that even really makes any sense.Originally Posted by jxrtes
One reason I could come up with for being Ni ego is that I have a huge tendency to want to determine as much as I can about the people around me without making a mistake. This tends to make me really careful and patient about what I say and respond to with someone so that I have time to put the information together and determine what might be true or make accurate guesses.
Sometimes this can cause me to appear to stare off into space or appear to be deeply thinking by others around me. I used to be told constantly by my family when I was younger that I was slow-moving and oblivious to what was going on. I think the way my brother put it was "He has two speeds: slow and slower." I don't see the point in rushing unless time is critical.
I'm inclined to see Ni as an internally high-energy mental-processing function that ignores incoming information in favor of sorting what is already known. I suppose it is like a double-edged sword in this way because the Ni-user can become more lost in their head and less aware of their surroundings then they arguably should be. I could see Fe-PoLR maybe in this case being represented by the effect of being annoyed by another person's desire to break one's thoughts in favor of drawing an emotional reaction, which can be really annoying if this makes it hard to sort information. Maybe Fe-PoLR also could mean finding something that someone is saying silly in some way and responding with what might seem like a slightly sinister emotional sarcasm to other people.
But then for Fi, I could also see an argument for having Fe limiting/ignoring. I'm pretty aware of how people are feeling most of the time. I've been known to act against two people having an argument and explain to each person what the other person is feeling and have them both agree completely. Sometimes people can be baffled by this; I can easily tell this when someone gives me an expression of confused bewilderment when they see I am able to understand another person's feelings so well. But this is somewhat more rare.
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@Anndelise@
I see how it is.
*Throws your stack of papers in the air*
No, actually, everything you say pretty much correlates with what I observe in ISFps. I forgot about how their Se can manifest in competitive situations. It seems to just turn on and off with a lot of ease. And they especially like to use it when they think someone is being unfair or intentionally trying not to get along peacefully. In general, their Se seems a little more passive-aggressive and easily dropped and forgiving when the other person changes their tune, so to speak. It's admirable how it doesn't seem to take much energy out of them to do this. But I pretty much think I understand what you are saying.
Ehhhh, I would if I thought it was valid. But all that seems to happen is a person lists some pictures and everyone seems to come up with a different conclusion on type :/. There is way too much inconsistent variation in everyone's conclusions to see any reason for it being true. Or do you just want to see me naked? :redface:
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html