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    Is it possible, discuss....

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    what do you mean?

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    A type who has no function preferred above the other for their leading function... they are equal with respect to all functions.... they valued Se as much as Ne, Ni, Ti, Te, Si, Fe, and Fi

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    Not within Socionics, no, since the model does not work on gradients, axes, or spectra, but discrete elements.

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    I've wondered this too. There doesn't seem to be anything preventing it from being the case, does there? My excuse (and I'm aware that this is a solution to a problem within a model rather than a claim that has a lot of evidence support from real life) is that people specialize in certain functions over the course of early childhood, and that one could not possibly survive childhood without some degree of specialization. Like, it's too difficult to hold these mutually contradictory models in tension and grow in all of them equally. But you have to grow in a few of them in order to be skilled enough at much of anything to accomplish your goals or at least your communication goals when you get older.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    It's probably not within the range of the human genome.

    For a while I thought that crisis-oriented, confident, deeply determined people might be such, but they actually do have a type that becomes apparent in the character of the organizations which they lead. The thing about that group though, is that they tend to have a lot of humility and are willing to listen to many, many points of view. They don't really have a sense of where things are headed, but they can distill such an understanding from the opinions of many people. Presidents often collect "brain trusts" around themselves for this purpose: they don't buy into any one expert's point of view, but try to distill the real situation by gauging the relative probabilities of each proposition, until an image become apparent of the most probable scenario. But they aren't demonstrating function proficiency by such evaluation, just being very humble and acknowledging that they can't figure everything out by themselves.

    I have heard that AI researchers are trying to create such an intelligence however using computer technology. It's kinda scary actually, because the intention is apparently to create a kind of artificial god to watch over and advise mankind.

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    A person could come out that way on a test but either the person has extremely poor self-awareness or the test really sucks or both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    A type who has no function preferred above the other for their leading function... they are equal with respect to all functions....
    never met one.

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    Actually there is a possibility that DID sufferers are XXXxs, because the type change would entail with it both a transformation of identity and an inability to make sense of information that is obvious to another type. Type acts as a decoder, hence one type cannot "read" information produced by another type.

    By the way, the reason type exists, is due to repression. Each of the alternative types is associated with something negative that one must suppress to avoid having negative thoughts. However the negativity itself is due to the functions having the attributes and qualities of their native positions. Type is simultaneously a dynamic and static condition.

    I think what happens in the case of a DID person, is that a weaker function attains the mastery, but still has the attributes of its respective position.

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    No, not if it's genetic, and no, unless you don't exist.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Actually there is a possibility that DID sufferers are XXXxs, because the type change would entail with it both a transformation of identity and an inability to make sense of information that is obvious to another type. Type acts as a decoder, hence one type cannot "read" information produced by another type.

    By the way, the reason type exists, is due to repression. Each of the alternative types is associated with something negative that one must suppress to avoid having negative thoughts. However the negativity itself is due to the functions having the attributes and qualities of their native positions. Type is simultaneously a dynamic and static condition.

    I think what happens in the case of a DID person, is that a weaker function attains the mastery, but still has the attributes of its respective position.
    I've had these exact same thoughts. This would especially be the case for someone similar enough to Sybil. But I would say it is definitely not a healthy state. I would even be bold to say that those who don't feel they fit into a type cleanly have some DID symptoms that can be on a scale say from ~mild to ~moderate to ~severe.

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    Here's an idea; god, triviality.....arghhh

    If you have someone born of a morphologic type to one type; like an ESFj who looks like an ESFj, but is somehow mentally impared, then you could have a morphologic ESFj that doesn't prefer any functions, because functions are the process of the brain, the absense/damage to a part of a primary processor/locator in the brain could cause the brain to circuit information, but that would result in the person being mentally handicaped.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pied Piper View Post
    It is a model which you either accept or not, for me and other people and socionists it makes sense, if you want to talk about it you have to comply to the theory.

    Please don't ask such cretinous questions again, if you really think that XXXx is possible, then put it into "alternative theories" or ask about different models.
    lol listen to yourself... you sound like a fanatic. YOU MUST COMPLY TO THEORY... there is no reasoning required. YOU ARE EITHER WITH THE MODEL OR AGAINST IT!!!! AHH!!!!! CRETINE!!!!!

    Asking questions IST VERBODEN!!!!!!!! AHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    YOU MUST ACCEPT OR DENY THE ALLEGATIONS PUT BEFORE YOU ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT QUESTION!!!!!!!!!

    lol get real. By the way I don't suffer from cretinism (cretinism - definition of cretinism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.)... I'm actually 6'4'' and have a very healthy thyroid, thank you very much. How about you just give your opinion on the topic and go jack off a donkey. I'm just taking a poll of ideas/opinions here, and I don't need to be personally attacked because a question makes you insecure. Fucking weak piece of shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pied Piper View Post
    In Socionics it is not possible by definition.
    Thank you for your opinion.... come again. This would suffice next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    lol listen to yourself... you sound like a fanatic. YOU MUST COMPLY TO THEORY... there is no reasoning required. YOU ARE EITHER WITH THE MODEL OR AGAINST IT!!!! AHH!!!!! CRETINE!!!!!

    Asking questions IST VERBODEN!!!!!!!! AHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    YOU MUST ACCEPT OR DENY THE ALLEGATIONS PUT BEFORE YOU ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT QUESTION!!!!!!!!!

    lol get real. By the way I don't suffer from cretinism (cretinism - definition of cretinism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.)... I'm actually 6'4'' and have a very healthy thyroid, thank you very much. How about you just give your opinion on the topic and go jack off a donkey. I'm just taking a poll of ideas/opinions here, and I don't need to be personally attacked because a question makes you insecure. Fucking weak piece of shit.

    Thank you for your opinion.... come again. This would suffice next time.
    LOL!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pied Piper View Post
    your insinuation is dumb.
    Lol, and how did I insinuate anything... I only asked if you think its possible. Insinuating would be me suggesting that XXXx can exist, which frankly I'm not... I'd like to keep my thoughts on this issue private, but I'm curious about what other people think. How is this so horrible? It's like I'm getting viciously attacked and my intelligence is being verbally assualted just by merely asking a question.... and by the way.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Pied Piper View Post
    There's no fanaticism involved, but your stupidity and obstructionism.
    That's where I see the fanaticism. Fanatics hold viewpoints so rigid that merely questioning these viewpoint is seen in a negative light. I don't understand the need for retaliation here on your part, since when did asking a question ever hurt anyone? You ask a question, you get an answer back... it's usually the answer that is the part to pay attention to. I'm keeping my answer private, solely for the purpose of preserving harmony between me and other people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pied Piper View Post
    If you don't believe the Earth is round, you can't talk astronomy, dumb ass.
    lol you had too....

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/earth_worldbook.html
    Earth, however, is not perfectly round. Earth's spin causes it to bulge slightly at its middle, the equator. The diameter of Earth from North Pole to South Pole is 7,899.83 miles (12,713.54 kilometers), but through the equator it is 7,926.41 miles (12,756.32 kilometers). This difference, 26.58 miles (42.78 kilometers), is only 1/298 the diameter of Earth. The difference is too tiny to be easily seen in pictures of Earth from space, so the planet appears round.

    Earth's bulge also makes the circumference of Earth larger around the equator than around the poles. The circumference around the equator is 24,901.55 miles (40,075.16 kilometers), but around the poles it is only 24,859.82 miles (40,008.00 kilometers). The circumference is actually greatest just south of the equator, so Earth is slightly pear-shaped. Earth also has mountains and valleys, but these features are tiny compared to the total size of Earth, so the planet appears smooth from space.
    If your were talking astrodynamics... a part of astronomy... you'd be incorrect in assuming the earth was perfectly round. Of course a round earth model is useful, but sometimes a more accurate model is required if you wish to say accurately track the trajectories of objects in the earth's gravitational field.

    Now would you like to continue to talk astronomy? I actually find this topic fascinating.

    Oh and who is the dumb ass now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pied Piper View Post
    you just refuse to acknowledge things.
    Umm once again I just asked a question.... I didn't acknowledge or unacknowledge anything so far.

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    you come with the same shit over and over again
    don't know what you're talking about honestly, maybe you could be more specific?

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    don't you get why you're so bothering? What is your actual problem
    Wow, way to be vicious... this is exactly WHY I don't have a problem being bothering to you... you're just feeding this energy into me. If you'd stop the unnecessary personal attacks such as "dumb ass, implying everyone finds me bothering, I have some problem/am disfunctional/broken, I make dumb contributions, I make worthless contributions".... well then I'd be very kind to sit down and listen to your ideas civilly whether I agree or disagree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    Is it possible, discuss....
    If XXXx existed then that means YYYy would be a conflictor.

    ...And ZZZz would just be somebody falling asleep.

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