What do you LIKE about your dual?

[redbaron]

Christian theology is a far more effective and accurate method of explaining reality than socionics. Therefore, applying socionics to theology will invariably be ineffective. It's applying a weaker system to a stronger one. It's like using a blurry magnifying glass to look down into a microscope. If anything, you use theology to explain socionics.

huh?

and, I don't see why Jesus wouldn't have had a type. He was a PERSON after all. You know, fully human & all that. I don't think type has to do with sins, it has to do with processing information.

[redbaron]

Deity being type-related?? I'd rather die than accept that. He was God after all. Gods need no fucking information processing. They're omniscient.

he was born as a human being. that was the WHOLE POINT. Ever heard of Christmas?

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Trevor]

he was born as a human being. that was the WHOLE POINT. Ever heard of Christmas?

Did it ever occur to you that there might have been such human beings that had no socionics type whatsoever?
@everyone: how hard is it to imagine this?

[Trevor]

But Jesus lived on the earth as a man and said things that definitely would not balance all IE values. He had a particular personality. Even most of the Greek gods and demi-gods had one.

I don't care. Backoff. There is nothing you, or anyone else for that matter, can do to convince me.

[redbaron]

Did it ever occur to you that there might have been such human beings that had no socionics type whatsoever?

uh, no. if you think the theory is true, then it follows that you'd think all humans who have ever lived had a type.

[Trevor]

uh, no. if you think the theory is true, then it follows that you'd think all humans who have ever lived had a type.

well, i don't necessarily agree with the whole theory. but given that i'm still here, you know, overall i think it's ok

[Galen]

No, no. I think PoLR comes from sins, not vice versa.

lol religion + socionics

[redbaron]

lol religion + socionics

yeah, silverchris this is all your fault!

[DirectorAbbie]

and your dual is Jesus Christ right?

Linas started it.

[redbaron]

Linas started it.

oh okay. Go to your room, Linas! troublemaker...

[norph]

Did it ever occur to you that there might have been such human beings that had no socionics type whatsoever?
@everyone: how hard is it to imagine this?

Did it ever occur to you that there might have been such human beings that never existed whatsoever like my imaginary friend Ted who if he existed would work as a salesman in Minnesota selling furniture at discount prices like a five-person couch with inset for only $599.99 or a mahogany desk drawer 24'' by 16'' surface with three large cabinets and ample legroom for only $419.99 call 1-877-983-0313 now or come to Ted's Discount Furniture but hurry because these prices end soon!

[FDG]

sigh.

why are you sighing

[silverchris9]

huh?

and, I don't see why Jesus wouldn't have had a type. He was a PERSON after all. You know, fully human & all that. I don't think type has to do with sins, it has to do with processing information.

Well, this all goes into my philosophical outlook on socionics, but basically, I'm just saying that socionics, while it is pretty darn accurate, isn't going to fit the world perfectly, isn't going to fit reality perfectly, and if there's any case extraordinary enough to make socionics so inaccurate as to be irrelevant, it's Jesus Christ.

I think there's a part of the bible where Paul says, "I became all things to all people that some might be saved," and it think that that line of reasoning applies somewhat to socionics. In theory at least (and again, I think that socionics just becomes stupid/irrelevant when you try to analyze the Gospel in terms of socionics), Jesus would be capable of altering His interaction style as needed to achieve His goal, whatever that may be. Also, I believe that at the highest levels of human development (and Christ was a Second Adam, representing not only deity and humanity, but also humanity in its highest form, that is, the untainted and undiluted Image of God as expressed in Adam before the Fall), socionics type becomes irrelevant, that when you are fully human you become type-transcendent or your core of cognition is so different from what Carl Jung was capable of understanding (and Jung remains to this day the most intelligent and magnanimous---in the Greek sense---practitioner of socionics) that his system breaks down and we need another set of tools or labels for describing how that level of cognition works. As Harold Bloom would say, it is a difference in degree so great as to become a difference in kind. It is a larger example of the literary critical phenomenon wherein the language we use very effectively to describe and analyze, say, Toni Morrison's Beloved, becomes hopelessly ineffective and insufficient for describing the core of what, say, Hamlet does or Antony and Cleopatra does.

[Linas]

random rant about whole Christianity ish:

why the fuck did the all loving God wanted to destroy everything like 4000-3000 yrs ago, and for the sake of not being all lonely, since other gods didn't like him, he told some guy to put two of every specie on the boat and so those ones were saved, lol. so like, wtf? and how does this go with history? sane mind of the believer? it's like some funny mystical shit, that those ones believing reads or talks about, then get their body goose bumps'ed and they are like - yeah the lord is great!

[Nowisthetime]

I don't know if I like anything about my dual. It's not about liking. It's what happens between us. It's more about "we" and less about you and I.

[Creepy-male]

I think every ILE is endearingly silly in their own way (in the sense that, of the three ILEs I'm thinking of, each is rather silly in a way that's basically unique to each of them), and I definitely like this a lot. They also always manage to be magically profoundly interesting, and make me feel like I'm a reasonably intelligent and insightful person too, in my own right

The ILE is also well equipped to calm my poor Ni Role down when it gets hopelessly lost and anxious about The Future, and this is always an appreciated service when needed

I guess they just generally make my life more interesting, even if they can make me feel incredibly old in comparison (which is a good thing... it's a peaceful feeling to have).

[redbaron]

I don't know if I like anything about my dual. It's not about liking. It's what happens between us. It's more about "we" and less about you and I.

+1

[Suz]

I don't know if I like anything about my dual. It's not about liking. It's what happens between us. It's more about "we" and less about you and I.

This is why i haven't responded yet to this thread. It's not something i can put into concrete qualities. You said it brilliantly!

[Suz]

I think every ILE is endearingly silly in their own way (in the sense that, of the three ILEs I'm thinking of, each is rather silly in a way that's basically unique to each of them), and I definitely like this a lot. They also always manage to be magically profoundly interesting, and make me feel like I'm a reasonably intelligent and insightful person too, in my own right

The ILE is also well equipped to calm my poor Ni Role down when it gets hopelessly lost and anxious about The Future, and this is always an appreciated service when needed

I guess they just generally make my life more interesting, even if they can make me feel incredibly old in comparison (which is a good thing... it's a peaceful feeling to have).

what is it with SEIs and feeling old?????

[Creepy-male]

Because Si base is the "you're a grandma/grandpa in a young person's body" stamp of the Socion

[Suz]

Because Si base is the "you're a grandma/grandpa in a young person's body" stamp of the Socion

but i dont quite get that from SLI's . . . I think it might be an alpha thing too. Alpha-Si

Deltas take a while to really get started in life, i hear.

[DirectorAbbie]

Because Si base is the "you're a grandma/grandpa in a young person's body" stamp of the Socion

I thought that was a Delta thing.

[Creepy-male]

Heh, well, I guess I should clarify, it's something for me that pops up in a very particular sort of Caregiver/Infantile relationship. When I see a certain ILE being very silly and very dear, I definitely feel... well, like a Caregiver with an Infantile

[DirectorAbbie]

Heh, well, I guess I should clarify, it's something for me that pops up in a very particular sort of Caregiver/Infantile relationship. When I see a certain ILE being very silly and very dear, I definitely feel... well, like a Caregiver with an Infantile

ILIs and SEIs have made me feel like a caregiver. For me it's not about who acts childish, it's about who seems helpless or has low self-esteem. Pretty much any introvert could make me feel like a caregiver.

[Suz]

I thought that was a Delta thing.

Ok so here's the flash of insight i just had:

Deltas are the grandma/grandpa's of the socion but as old people (in the psyche sense), they want to feel young and think of themselves as young.

Alphas are the kids of the socion, and as children (in the psyche sense), they want to feel older and feel more "grown-up" like kids tend to want.

Eureka, I guess that explains it!!

[DirectorAbbie]

Deltas are the grandma/grandpa's of the socion but as old people (in the psyche sense), they want to feel young and think of themselves as young.

Alphas are the kids of the socion, and as children (in the psyche sense), they want to feel older and feel more "grown-up" like kids tend to want.

Looks good to me.
Y'all respect yer elders, y'hear?

[Suz]

Looks good to me.
Y'all respect yer elders, y'hear?

yeah y'hear??? we're yer elders!!

[IEI]

I like the feeling of joy I get when I'm around them. They are hilarious, full of energy and make me giggle like a 12 year old.