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    The Memory Model of Atkinson and Shiffrin (along with the changes in timings) and Socionics' Elements excellently fit together. Here's how:


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    The title of the thread was a bit misleading. I was expecting some socionics bashing, and instead I find pretty strong support for socionics. lol

    I liked what I understood of the video, but I think I need to watch it again before I can comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    The title of the thread was a bit misleading. I was expecting some socionics bashing, and instead I find pretty strong support for socionics. lol

    I liked what I understood of the video, but I think I need to watch it again before I can comment.
    I like playing on words. Especially when I can say "but it IS all in the mind!!!"

    I know that the information can be presented far better than I had done. Taking 30 minutes worth of information and examples and compressing it into 1 10 minute video that won't completely turn people off...and doing it all by one's self is...um...daunting, to say the least.

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    That's fascinating. Not to mention very well presented! I'll have to study Atkinson and Shiffrin further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    The title of the thread was a bit misleading. I was expecting some socionics bashing, and instead I find pretty strong support for socionics.
    Why would the concepts related to the memory model from the video offer strong support for socionics (even in assuming that you accept the aspectonics-laden approach)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norph View Post
    Why would the concepts related to the memory model from the video offer strong support for socionics (even in assuming that you accept the aspectonics-laden approach)?
    Well, if what was said is true, then it implies the dichotomies and even elements of information metabolism. e.g. concrete vs abstract stimuli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    Well, if what was said is true, then it implies the dichotomies and even elements of information metabolism. e.g. concrete vs abstract stimuli.
    Even assuming that there are some psychological processes relevant to socionics which could be differentiated by the various different types of memory presented by the Atkinson and Shiffrin model, it would perhaps be reasonable to say that it puts forward a potentially plausible mechanism by which certain kinds of socionics phenomena might operate. It hardly implies the inherent correctness of these constructs.

    Of course, my personal view is that there are many more basic problems -- among them, the different types of declarative memory and the processes described for forming new memories are so general as to be inapplicable to socionics and are sort of basic, universal biological processes that couldn't much differ among different personality attributes (though I don't know of anyone has done this research, I'd be interested if anyone had).

    Another problem is that I find all of the aspectonics-related material that essentially formed the socionics content of the video to be mapped onto different memory strategies completely worthless socionics material, but I'm less concerned with this point.

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    I don't think the point of her presentation is to "prove" Socionics through this model. What she is trying to show is that Socionics has viability because it fits in well with what is already established model of memory and information processing in the field of psychology, that is, something that's already going through testing and being applied in achedmia. The problem is everyone dealing with Socionics should know this model, along with other information in cognitive psychology. What ann is trying to do is show how Socionics fits into academic psychology, and if she developed her idea more, she actually has grounds on how to test for Socionics, which would be through terms and a method already established and used in the psychology field.

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