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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    LSE I'd say, that demonstrative Se.
    if its the Se that causes the temper, wouldnt Se leads have bigger tempers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    if its the Se that causes the temper, wouldnt Se leads have bigger tempers?
    Force =/= a temper

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Force =/= a temper
    Huehuehueheuehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Force =/= a temper
    And demo force is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    And demo force is?
    I don’t necessarily agree with her explanation, just that IME LSEs are the angriest and are forceful about it. It’s been written about in LSE descriptions too apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    if its the Se that causes the temper, wouldnt Se leads have bigger tempers?
    No, I specifically said demonstrative for a reason. Se leads typically are more aware of when they need to apply force and when they don't, demonstrative Se has an issue with this. LSEs will commonly apply pressure and force (aggression) when they really don't need to and think of it as a solution for every problem. ESEs are usually somewhat better at it as their Fe lead is more emotionally aware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    No, I specifically said demonstrative for a reason. Se leads typically are more aware of when they need to apply force and when they don't, demonstrative Se has an issue with this. LSEs will commonly apply pressure and force (aggression) when they really don't need to and think of it as a solution for every problem. ESEs are usually somewhat better at it as their Fe lead is more emotionally aware.
    Demo Se has same strength as lead Se + they dont even value Se, they prefer Si over Se, so...

    Demonstrative function is used rarely because it directly opposes creative function

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    Ips are the most reactive types with very defensive natures so there's a greater probability that those without self-control may often act before they think; many Ejs can be quick to anger but they tend to be slightly more controlled. However, every type is capable of immediate anger, and some of them very capable of violence given the right upbringing and circumstances. More than the temperamental, I tend to be be concerned with that subset of every type who are unforgiving and vindictive, which are traits that seem to be more prevalent with Ijs and Eps.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Demo Se has same strength as lead Se + they dont even value Se, they prefer Si over Se, so...

    Demonstrative function is used rarely because it directly opposes creative function
    Same strength yes, but the Se in Se leads is more controlled because it comes more naturally to them as it is valued. The fact it is the same strength but not valued is precisely why it is more out of control in the LSE.
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    You fuckers don't know shit.

    If temper is a bad general trait that anyone could have, then presumably it is correlated with the trait of Neuroticism. INTPs are supposedly the most neurotic personality in terms of I/E, N/S, T/F, P/J correlations to the trait of Neuroticism. So that may be one answer. However, if you associate "temper" with for example impulsivity and/or emotionality and/or extraversion "action" or "frequency of interaction", you could just as easily make a case for EXFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    Same strength yes, but the Se in Se leads is more controlled because it comes more naturally to them as it is valued. The fact it is the same strength but not valued is precisely why it is more out of control in the LSE.
    its not more out of control cuz the strength is the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    its not more out of control cuz the strength is the same
    It's not just about strength, that's only one factor. The key difference you are ignoring is valued vs unvalued. The lead function is more natural to the user, so therefore the user has a better grasp and as such more control over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    The lead function is more natural to the user, so therefore the user has a better grasp and as such more control over it.
    i dont think you understand that the lead and demonstrative are equally strong, in case of creative subtype the demonstrative is said to be even stronger than the lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    i dont think you understand that the lead and demonstrative are equally strong, in case of creative subtype the demonstrative is said to be even stronger than the lead.
    I don't think you understand I'm not on about how "strong" it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    I don't think you understand I'm not on about how "strong" it is.
    having a better grasp/control over a function means you master it better right? that means its stronger in you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    having a better grasp/control over a function means you master it better right? that means its stronger in you.
    Depends what you mean by "stronger". I was referring to the fact that typically those with strong, valued Se typically know when to be aggressive and apply force better than those with strong unvalued Se. Therefore, we can make the jump that those with strong but unvalued Se will be more aggressive and perceived as having a worse temper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    Depends what you mean by "stronger". I was referring to the fact that typically those with strong, valued Se typically know when to be aggressive and apply force better than those with strong unvalued Se.
    Thats the whole point. They dont because the strength of the function is the same. So they both equally know when to apply force and how much. + Se demos dont actually value pressuring others so will do it only sporadically, whereas Se leads will do it more often because it is their lead function, assuming that having a temper equals Se.

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    Well it’s not just about Se. It’s about being Te leading and rational and aristocratic, tending to be in positions of authority, not caring about Fe and their emotional impact as much, and all of that too.

    Nobody needs to argue about functions. Just experience life. If you’ve never met or gotten yelled at by at least one crazy anal LSE at some point then you’ve been living in a hole. Luckily you can go read Strat’s LSE-EII duality description if you’ve missed out on such lovely experiences.

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    How is temper type-related? I have a very bad temper that comes and goes depending on my state of depression. I think it's just a mental health issue.

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    SLE's more often than not

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