Type with the worst temper

[crazedrat]

Ni polr knows what is best.. that's Lolz at its finest. Christ, our country is still trying to recover from the last time an ESTj got that idea.
Whenever a Ne HA / Ni polr tries to fix something they end up fucking up 3 or 4 other things in the process.
Like I've seen my ESTj brother in law take apart his entire computer.. remove the motherboard and everything, just to blow dust off a fan. He took the CPU out for good measure too. But he wasn't careful when dismantling the thing and he transferred a very minor static shock to one of the parts. So his computer stopped working a few weeks later. The motherboard was damaged.
I've also seen him pry apart a playstation controller to try to fix a sticking SELECT key, only to end up unable to put the thing back together again, so he ended up playing the controller without a case. Just the chip and the buttons.
I've seen an ESFj attempt to get their child to stop smoking marijuana (she found a dime bag in his closet, he was 16 years old) by sending them to drug rehab 2000 miles away at the cost of 6K$ a month, for 8 months. 48,000 dollars. The kid got out and he was still smoking pot, except now he resented her like hell.
If anything Ni polrs should be banned from all leadership positions.

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Nice to be on your team for once pirate.

[Galen]

LSE: 'Beautiful blue sky today isn´t it?'

IEI: 'The sky is not blue.'

LSE: 'How so? It is quite obvious.'

IEI: 'No, I read in some fucked up french gay pseudo-intellectual magazine that the sky is actually red. Shut the fuck up now, you fool. You either start beating me like I want then we fuck, or get the fuck out of here.'

LSE walks away in shock.

This doesn't sound like a realistic conversation at all. I've never had an INFp blow up in my face about random factual knowledge.

[Absurd]

Next you have the audacity to say you are honorable after you have JUST finished saying you are sadistic and brutal?

what, in ANY of what you just said signifies 'honorable'

I doubt ANYONE whose familiar with your posting history would give you that distinction, other than the delusional maritsa, whose in love with an illusion she doesn't even understand.

Watch out or the Nazi Mafia will get you. If he's sadistic, honourable, brutal and honourable, brutal, sadistic. He is honourable. Don't you forget that.

[Absurd]

Retype Captain Jack Sparrow first. They both don't seem to get along very well, if you know what I mean.

EDIT: I know. Put him into Gamma. Let's see some fireworks.

[Airman]

Lol are you sure you aren't an 8 airborne?

Hi LucidDreamz. I´ve been considering this after reading Sandra Maitri´s book 'the spiritual dimension of the enneagram', her chapter about type 8 is just me, totally described. Funny this happened last night, just after you people posted this suggestion here, but I wasn´t connected to the forum, I didn´t want to turn the PC on, this stuff is an addiction, I imagine it´s as addictive as cocaine.

I´m considering 8 for my type but I don´t like to admit it so I´ll have to be very cautious to tell the girl I´m kind of into that I´m an 8 - I guess she somehow already realized it from the questions she´s been asking - since I met her on the Enneagram group. And I´ll also pretend I´m a 1 as long as possible to all people there. It´s not LACK OF MORALITY, like Pirate would say, it´s just called STRATEGY. Sometimes you have to lie to make people happy and better their situation, because they wouldn´t like the real thing, even though the real thing was good.

Thanks for that

[Airman]

I was going to let this thread go but since you continue to be a jackass, and I essentially hate you people, I think I'll charge forth:

See, there´s the Beta hatred coming out. Let it out. It´s therapeutic. ****** also did let it out, Stalin also. Go on. Better let it out on an internet forum this is why we deltas make such institutions to control your destructive impulses. But you´re not dumb, and I´m taking this lightly, the rage is past, so arguing with you is in fact good.

This is a stupid argument, here's why:

if believe this then its only fair to logically conclude the same things about betas which makes all your bitching worthless. none of the anything you have mentioned is limited strictly to beta, yet admittedly is probably more prevalent among betas as you're weakness in morality is more prevalent in ESTjs in particular. Just admit it, just say 'okay estjs are like this' and stop making excuses like a little bitch. That's all you people do.

It´s not making excuses. We have many reasons. We help others. You betas only help your own selves. We can do even more shit than you do because we help others.

So they break the rules they value and defend in order to defeat 'evil'.

Does this make any sense to anyone?

You essentially become what you fight against by doing this

You are creating more of what you attempt to eradicate, situations are not better because you FILL that negativity yourself by trying to combat it in the ways you do.

This is why I hate Ni PoLR, its stupidity at its finest.

This is to show power. We break the rules to show the evil guys we´ve got balls and also because we enjoy breaking rules once in a while since we live so much according to rules. It´s just something humans cannot stand for long.
[/quote]

Excuse after excuse after excuse

LSE here in America are the same fucking way they are where you live, they are possessive, sadistic, and brutal.

Its not your environment, you were just born this way.

Next you have the audacity to say you are honorable after you have JUST finished saying you are sadistic and brutal?

I expressed myself unclearly. We CAN be sadistic and brutal. We are not like this, generally, unlike SLEs for example.

what, in ANY of what you just said signifies 'honorable'

That we´re always trying to improve things. I left it unsaid, my fault.

You know why you really hate IEI?

Its because they see through you.

This is what Ni is and this is why you hate it.

You can make all the stupid little jokes about IEI that you want, you can try and highlight the stupidities and faults, bitch and rant, but at the end of the day IEI see through you, and you hate it because you know its true, because you have to face the coward you never wanted to lay eyes on, and because as much as you detest this person you cant help knowing deep inside that they are right.

If this is true and IEIs see LSEs through, then the same is opposite because why do I get so much hatred from them, just out of nothing? They just THINK they 'see me through' and have the courage to question my ways in a very verbally aggressive manner sometimes going down to the lowest levels of respect. If there is one thing I and I presume other ESTJs do not tolerate is disrespect towards us. You can say what you want, but be polite. Otherwise you will probably meet a bad reaction on my part.

And if this is true and we also see them through, this is why we are conflictor types in the first place. So we can see all their lack of discipline, respect, honor, valor, all their utter disregard for societal norms plus this arrogance of thinking they can 'see everyone through' and have the right to try to 'better people' by talking bullshit about them when not asked to help.
Really I think it´s more the other way round, they see in us everything they HATE and want to KILL, but since they see we´re too strong and laws exist and they can´t physically harm us, they just babble nonsense and difame us because they HATE us. And the best thing is, we always win because we´re stronger, we´re not victims and we´ve got Te on Ego block and Se demonstrative so they envy us for being smarter and also able to scare the shit off anyone. So they get pissed off and HATE MORE every time. It´s not our fault.

[Airman]

You'll have to understand that you're a -Creative and what you're talking about is your reaction to Serious (Fe/Ti) types. This is (in a way) the opposite of what you're talking about. You're talking about the constructed bullshit I hate as well, when something is a certain way, but people come to tell us "how actually things are".

You´re still assuming I´m an ESTP, this is way past my head now.

This is probably the reason why I don't like Deltas as I used to - theoretically Alpha Irrationals's best friends - you're the good guy as long as you agree with the opinion of the herd and join their causes, but once you have a different view, they try to repress you and "teach" you what's right or wrong without real arguments, but morals or bogus "scientific" establishments. Everything is fine while people help each other, once you try to make things better, once you show discontent with the current state of things or get out of common with something (which actually motivates some people, and I bet it motivates you too, Airborne), they call you "egoistic", "boisterous", "black sheep" and try to drag you down to the sea level.

Sounds familiar?

No. You´ve been meeting and hanging with deltas in a group manner. I don´t like Alphas to hang as a group, I find Alpha groups too strange. But as partners, on a one-on-one basis, friends or in relationships, we will be your best friends and defend you, since you´re somewhat naive about things in general and lack responsibility, and we´ll take care of you and preserve your life no matter what you do because this is caregiver´s nature and Infantiles attract us a lot. Like magnets we´re attracted to each other but this happens more on a sexual-affective level than on friendships.

I remember so many mornings and nights driving my Alpha Infantile ex-girlfriend home or around just to chill and she couldn´t stand one single rule. She smoked pot on the car all the time like a furnace, then laughed when we stopped near the police, then let something in her joint fall and totally ruin the car seat´s since it burned it, then she laughed even more. Eventually she would just show that typical Infantile way of saying things on topics such as eastern philosophies like a 10-year-old child really, and this made me smile and turned me on a lot, so it was kind of worth it in the end. lol.

[Airman]

please do not compare me to George Bush Son, he´s a moron who ruined a country in 8 years and started 2 wars he knew he couldn´t win , Afghanistan and Iran.

I still doubt he´s an ESTJ, this typing comes from MBTI as far as I know, in Socionics he´d be ESTP in my view.

[Beautiful sky]

please do not compare me to George Bush Son, he´s a moron who ruined a country in 8 years and started 2 wars he knew he couldn´t win , Afghanistan and Iran.

I still doubt he´s an ESTJ, this typing comes from MBTI as far as I know, in Socionics he´d be ESTP in my view.

He is ESTp; Clinton, who avoided taking the country to war, is ESTj

[Beautiful sky]

You´re still assuming I´m an ESTP, this is way past my head now.




No. You´ve been meeting and hanging with deltas in a group manner. I don´t like Alphas to hang as a group, I find Alpha groups too strange. But as partners, on a one-on-one basis, friends or in relationships, we will be your best friends and defend you, since you´re somewhat naive about things in general and lack responsibility, and we´ll take care of you and preserve your life no matter what you do because this is caregiver´s nature and Infantiles attract us a lot. Like magnets we´re attracted to each other but this happens more on a sexual-affective level than on friendships.

I remember so many mornings and nights driving my Alpha Infantile ex-girlfriend home or around just to chill and she couldn´t stand one single rule. She smoked pot on the car all the time like a furnace, then laughed when we stopped near the police, then let something in her joint fall and totally ruin the car seat´s since it burned it, then she laughed even more. Eventually she would just show that typical Infantile way of saying things on topics such as eastern philosophies like a 10-year-old child really, and this made me smile and turned me on a lot, so it was kind of worth it in the end. lol.

Hence Fi is partly morality, but also emotions. I find that my ESTj friends and even family members sometimes fib to protect the feelings/emotions of their loved ones. INFj, by nature, are very sensitive, so I guess this aspect of the ESTj character makes somewhat sense.

[Absurd]

please do not compare me to George Bush Son, he´s a moron who ruined a country in 8 years and started 2 wars he knew he couldn´t win , Afghanistan and Iran.

1. I ain't your son. If I were I would cut your tongue off.

2. He didn't start anything. Was democratically elected, so saying he started something is quite dumb.

[Beautiful sky]

He was elected, but had a personal agenda that was carried over from his father's agenda

[Beautiful sky]

Why are LSEs short-tempered?

They expect others to be like them, at least the less mature ones. They want others to work, be efficient, follow their tuition, to a T and they have a poor understanding of the individual human characteristics and nature, so they assume, judge, and are rigid. Plus they like to have control over their environment and the way things are working, flowing. Breaking the above requirements, or being in the moment where a person is not attentive and paying attention, causes them to snap.

[Absurd]

He was elected, but had a personal agenda that was carried over from his father's agenda

Innocent and lovable guy. Society and his father used him. What his father's type ?

[Beautiful sky]

I would describe LSE anger as one that can explode in an instant with a huge intensity and that will then last over long period of time if something isn't done about it. Also, as time passes, it builds up again and could lead to another explosion if nothing is done. I do think it is more likely that it would start as a build up however.

Basically LSEs have a certain expectancy of the way all things should be (Te-base) which can easily lead to irritation. They have weak control over their emotions and devalue emotional atmosphere (Fe-Role) and even weaker awareness of how they affect others(Fi-DS) which can easily result in being carried away by strong emotions. Also, tend to have short-termed and reactive mind-set that often neglects consequences and gives in to instinct.
What this gives you is someone who has relatively very little emotional control combined with a person who is prone to irritation.

They 'know' how things are supposed to be, and if things don't go that way there is little keeping the irritation from boiling over and exploding out.

Yes, and this is why they need to listen and comprehend with their rational and logical center, to accept that not everyone is the same and to especially learn to talk to and communcate with their duals, even striving to just accept things as they are.
I keep telling this to Discoblowjob but he's in this oblivious state of mind where he thinks his ideals or so call inaccurate facts are the correct things, when they are NOT.

Of course they neglect the consequences,instincs are always more pleasurable (Si). Hopefully, they learn to realize some of their faults.

Nice. So you get my point when I say LSEs are indeed very messed up, they are deltas who should be betas, they (we) seem to stand somewhere in between delta and beta and not belong really to any of both, although more delta-ish since we´re inclined towards peace both inner and outer (perhaps a gift of Si not Se in Ego).

yes

[Beautiful sky]

Innocent and lovable guy. Society and his father used him. What his father's type ?

ESTp they are identical relations to one another.

[Airman]

It is obvious to me that Clinton is much more likely to be ESTJ than Bush, and Bush is ESTP.

Clinton looks delta and the only delta I can see him fit into is ESTJ, he´s also contradictory in his sexual life etc. and this was what messed up the USA when Mossad agent Monica Lewinsky (Jewish) was hired to take him down on his weak spot - sex - and so take Democrats from power and get Republican gang of Bush into power, a gang they had previously arranged to set up a war against the Muslim world. 9/11 was an inside job just an excuse to start the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and instill fear in the naive american population - who obviously bought it since their media is all Zionist-Jewish.

In fact the dangerous ones are called Zionists and they´re trying to do something ugly very ugly with the world. This time, when the war breaks out in the West, because it is already beggining in the East, it will be much worse than WW2.

[Beautiful sky]

Clinton certainly does have Delta values; he, when in conclusion about having picked Hillary as a wife, wrote the very same things that Delat ST value in their mate, compassionate, those who work hard towards a common good, and who are focused on goodwll. Their agenda, most of which was blocked by Senate, were aimed at improving the individual lives of the people, albeit very much Democratic-Party lines both financially and economically. Things like welfare, and such were among key examples.

[crazedrat]

Clinton is ESFj or ENFj. Probably ESFj. Not ESTj.

[Beautiful sky]

Clinton is ESFj or ENFj. Probably ESFj. Not ESTj.

Why, that Fe role is confusing you?
He's ESTj

[crazedrat]

Don't correct me, Maritsa. I have no respect for your opinion on anything socionics.

[redbaron]

Clinton is ENFj and he's no more a saint than George W. Bush. Just sayin'. Hillary is ISTj fwiw.

I agree w/this.

[Airman]

could be an ENFJ ... married to that ISTJ woman... And not a saint definitely, if you get to president of the USA, you´ve already been totally corrupted and fucked up in your soul.

[Creepy-male]

Hi LucidDreamz. I´ve been considering this after reading Sandra Maitri´s book 'the spiritual dimension of the enneagram', her chapter about type 8 is just me, totally described. Funny this happened last night, just after you people posted this suggestion here, but I wasn´t connected to the forum, I didn´t want to turn the PC on, this stuff is an addiction, I imagine it´s as addictive as cocaine.

I´m considering 8 for my type but I don´t like to admit it so I´ll have to be very cautious to tell the girl I´m kind of into that I´m an 8 - I guess she somehow already realized it from the questions she´s been asking - since I met her on the Enneagram group. And I´ll also pretend I´m a 1 as long as possible to all people there. It´s not LACK OF MORALITY, like Pirate would say, it´s just called STRATEGY. Sometimes you have to lie to make people happy and better their situation, because they wouldn´t like the real thing, even though the real thing was good.

Thanks for that

Lol I have no idea what you are talking about but I'm just analyzing the way you've been angry on here.

This is the breakdown

8's gets angry => Become more animated, talk louder, physical movement
9's get angry => Become detached and spacey and foggy
1's get angry => Become stiff and locked up

You seem to be aligned with the 8 as far as the instinctual triad is concerned.

8's and 1's are similar in the fact they don't repress anger but their viewpoint is about justice and they become anger at perceived injustice, while a 9 just looks at the positive in it all.

[Airman]

Lol I have no idea what you are talking about but I'm just analyzing the way you've been angry on here.

This is the breakdown

8's gets angry => Become more animated, talk louder, physical movement
9's get angry => Become detached and spacey and foggy
1's get angry => Become stiff and locked up

You seem to be aligned with the 8 as far as the instinctual triad is concerned.

8's and 1's are similar in the fact they don't repress anger but their viewpoint is about justice and they become anger at perceived injustice, while a 9 just looks at the positive in it all.

Yes, this is very much it from what I know too. 9 does not let the anger flow, so he/she does not feel it actually a lot, just reppresses it spacing out.

8 accepts anger all the time as part of life, as necessary for survival. So he/she will act angry on every occasion which lets them angry.

1 reppresses anger because it is not 'right' to be angry but anyway it accumulates and there´s a blow up of rage once in a while, depends on how much stress the 1 is under.

I´m still thinking abt 1 or 8, because I do look and behave more 1ish... though I´m a hot-headed 1 if you will... could be an 8. But won´t reach that conclusion just from reading Sandra Maitri because she talks lots of shit in her book so I have to look for myself. I´m too correct to be an 8 so far.

[Creepy-male]

9's get angry => Become detached and spacey and foggy

Just to clarify, Nines can actually get angry. It just happens after a lot more abuse and stress than with other types. I think there's also a bias in the literature toward 9w1, who I suppose move to active suppression once the repressed anger moves into their awareness; as opposed to a 9w8 who doesn't feel anything for a long time but has less reservations about opening a can of Mount Saint Helens when it all bubbles up to the surface.

[Creepy-male]

Just to clarify, Nines can actually get angry. It just happens after a lot more abuse and stress than with other types. I think there's also a bias in the literature toward 9w1, who I suppose move to active suppression once the repressed anger moves into their awareness; as opposed to a 9w8 who doesn't feel anything for a long time but has less reservations about opening a can of Mount Saint Helens when it all bubbles up to the surface.

Yea that can happen. 9's usually lean in the 1 direction or the 8 direction. 9's in the 1 direction are different from 9's in the 8 direction in subtle ways.

Really I've been thinking pretty deep on the enneagram... I think most of the instinctual triad has less to do with just anger as much as it has to do with raw visceral primal nature (i.e. instinct).

Each of the three types represent methods that humanities primal ancestors used in order to cope and survive nature. The methods over time of course changed as society became modern and people evolved culturally.

The 8-ness comes from the predator/territorial/aggressive method of survival
The 9-ness comes from the conserve energy/hibernate/seclusion method of survival
The 1-ness comes from the compulsive/ritual/routine method of survival

As time progressed each of these method found a place in culture that was socially acceptable.

For example...

Early on 8's may have been too aggressive and in early tribes and societies they were disliked for their aggression. However at the same time people were realizing that 8's were aggressive, they also realized they could serve as protectors by dealing with the tougher aspects of reality. Pretty soon societies began building models of the ideal 8, in order to reduce aggression against the societies and focus it towards something useful. These models are seen in literature of both myth and story. Beowulf, The Odessey, Arthurian Legend, Hercules, Odin, Zeus, and so forth. These stories of course became part of the fabric of a societies culture and began to be built upon. Arthurian Legend of course is an example of Chivalry. However in the real middle ages, knights were actually very oppressive, rather than heroic and so forth. Knights would simply impose the will of the lord... if someone resisted paying their taxes, knights would rough them up, and this was the state of early society. Justice kings would impose was crude, human rights had not been created... as long as it kept people feeling as though they got what they deserved it was just. For example in one barbarian society close to the fall of rome, if there was a dispute, people would simply fight it out. Even if the loser was morally correct, it worked, because the loser would be dead and couldn't protest. It kept order, but wasn't human rights. Both early knights and lords and kings intuitively knew these things because it was in their nature, while in other people things like empathy and compassion were in there, or mechanical genius, or intellect, or music, or language, or art. However, the point is Chivalry was created as an example to this archetype to put them in the proper place, so that coexistence/peace was possible... but it began as a simple instinct to survive nature.... which now has become a question of surviving society.... which will soon become a more spiritual question of survive for what? And as these questions progress these archetypes will change with them, each with different solutions.

The 9 is similar there is a whole slew of cultural advancement, but I believe the 9 originated from the instinct to essentially hibernate, seclude, rest, and conserve energy... as that is a valuable part to survival in nature. Now days this is manifested differently, and I could walk through the entire concept but I'm too lazy to continue this line of reasoning.

[FDG]

Interesting theory. Evolutionary psychology is hard to prove, but that looks like a nice speculation, at the very least.

[Satan]

Yes, this is very much it from what I know too. 9 does not let the anger flow, so he/she does not feel it actually a lot, just reppresses it spacing out.

8 accepts anger all the time as part of life, as necessary for survival. So he/she will act angry on every occasion which lets them angry.

1 reppresses anger because it is not 'right' to be angry but anyway it accumulates and there´s a blow up of rage once in a while, depends on how much stress the 1 is under.

I´m still thinking abt 1 or 8, because I do look and behave more 1ish... though I´m a hot-headed 1 if you will... could be an 8. But won´t reach that conclusion just from reading Sandra Maitri because she talks lots of shit in her book so I have to look for myself. I´m too correct to be an 8 so far.

Who the fuck talks about he/she's without discussing thais...

[DirectorAbbie]

More like George Bush vs. the Nazis.

Washingtin was an LSE. ****** was an EIE. I heard Bush was an SLE. Are you calling Airborne a Beta or George Bush a Delta?

[crazedrat]

Of course not. George Bush is LSE. His whole thing is Delta values.

[DividedsGhost]

I once had an LSE tell me about their hidden agenda. It went something like this...

If you are doing a presentation and the viewers do not understand it or agree with it, then they are the one's who are wrong, i.e. by being either unprepared or stupid. It can seem rather peculiar to some other types, but this is one way they can view and use their Ne function. I see this like crazy in George Bush. Plus he really has an Fe role function. I will be entertained to hear anyone disagree with him having an Fe role.

[Airman]

Of course not. George Bush is LSE. His whole thing is Delta values.

He is CONSERVATIVE OUTWARDLY, but I bet there are probably some conservative Betas who feel they have to maintain the status quo since they are so on top of the whole thing. Messing the thing would get them to a less powerful position so of course if Georgie is SLE he´s a conservative one.

The Delta hypotesis for him I have is SLI , because SLI is generally associated with E9, which I believe to be his type. I think he is 9w8 or a very calm 8w9, but I tend to think 9w8 is more probable. Anyway, he´s just a human who´s going to die someday like we all will.

I wonder how did E1s originate in this theory of HaveLucidDreamz. I think it´s an interesting theory. But I think humanity simply has these 9 patterns, whether it was through adaptation or not. I sincerely don´t believe in adaptation, but rather basic instincts from birth to early childhood.

Shortly after birth the baby loses his union with the mother, breastfeeding being the last phase of this. This signifies spiritually the fall from a state of uniity/non-duality to a state where the mother and child are perceived by the child to be different, now they are two separate things, duality has come into play. The child gains a vague knowldege of having a body, point 9. Then the child begins to feel fear because there´s an environment of things which he/she sees can be hurtful. This is point 6. Then the child realizes he has also a persona, who others see and like and say 'oh so cute' and so on. This is point 3. From these 3 basic points spring then the other 6, from point 9 spring points 8 and 1, from point 3 spring 2 and 4, and from 6 come 5 and 7.

This is why you can regard the enneagram as a trigram or triangle if you want to simplify it. You have 3 basic types. The rest are derivations from some of these 3 base types. For example type 8 is the lust aspect of type 9, while type 1 is its order aspect. Clearly both types evolved from type 9´s direct interaction with the physical world and not emotions or mind as in 3 or 6. This is why types 8, 9 and 1 are the most aware of physicality and probably the most attracted to physical forms and pleasures, they all come from type 9s identification with the body.

And so on... a type 2 is the 'giving oneself to be loved' aspect of vanity, type 4 is the 'being different to be loved' type of vanity which is point 3. They´re simply derivations of point 3. This is identification of oneself with the emotional content being experienced. Likewise type 7 is the 'being funny and upbeat' derivation to fear of 6, while type 5 is the 'retreat into the mind for security' type of strategy of point 6. They´re all based on fear and identification of oneself with the mind, above emotional content or physical body.

This relates well to eastern and occultist systems which say we all have basically 3 'bodies', physical, emotional and mental.

[Airman]

I once had an LSE tell me about their hidden agenda. It went something like this...

If you are doing a presentation and the viewers do not understand it or agree with it, then they are the one's who are wrong, i.e. by being either unprepared or stupid. It can seem rather peculiar to some other types, but this is one way they can view and use their Ne function. I see this like crazy in George Bush. Plus he really has an Fe role function. I will be entertained to hear anyone disagree with him having an Fe role.

If we take what history has taught us, most dictators or tyrants who like to start wars and invade countries are Betas, this is NOT a Delta value at all.

How can it be Delta to invade two countries on the other side of the globe with ridiculous excuses of searching for terrorists, trying to build up puppet-governments there, all of course corrupt enough to let the USA get all the natural resources such as oil and the precious flowers that feed heroine market, which is a BIG HUGE MONEY MARKET and the CIA is all about getting it to use it to destroy certain competitors. Having control of Afghanistan they can have all the poppies to produce not only heroin but also other related drugs and so both Pharmaceutical Labs -another cartel- and the USA government have in their hands a big plus.

[Airman]

The CIA probably realized the potential of the heroin market when the islamic migrants from Asia brought heroin with them to Europe and helped to ruin so many lives (not blaming the migrants, the governments were either dumb or also bought by the CIA).

Another example, the CIA owns my country. I have absolutely no shame to tell you that my country has little independence from the USA de facto. This is why so many people hate the USA, because this psychopathic government tries to control all governments in the world since 1945. But there is no more cold war, no more communism even. Now they want to control for the sake of playing gods, it seems. I can imagine a bunch of fat americans who cannot and do not like women laughing about how powerful they are because they THINK they control many countries.

[Gilly]

George Washington was ESI.

[mfckr]

ESTj makes better sense for George Washington; his prowess in logistics would point in that direction. ISFj doesn't.

[Airman]

And it´s useless to try to change such things because the so-called New World Order is already in place.

[mfckr]

If we take what history has taught us, most dictators or tyrants who like to start wars and invade countries are Betas, this is NOT a Delta value at all.

Lol. δs have a habit of invading countries headed by β regimes.

[crazedrat]

That's because it's full of Deltas talking about socionics. Of all the quadras, Deltas are the worst at socionics. It's Ni & Ti heavy, and they suck at both. Jung was Beta, & Augusta was Alpha. Gammas are smart enough to interpret things without screwing them up, thanks to their Ni, and they manage to give it an empirical touch in the process. But Deltas.. No. They prefer to just break / ditch the theory entirely. Look at the Deltas on this forum. Are any of them good at socionics? Yeah.. just one. Smilingeyes. No one else.