Actually, no one is arguing for socialism. No one in America at least.
If you have any though, feel free to post them!
Actually, no one is arguing for socialism. No one in America at least.
If you have any though, feel free to post them!
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It provides an opportunity for people to have homes and not be home-less, especially for those who are particularly stressed by such circustances like certain types who easily abandon their belongings and Se stuff. there are lots of really good advantages to socialism.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
enough with the bullshit qoutes from dead white men, what do you make of social democracies in europe and south american new socialism like venezuela.
There is your argument.
Just like communist china is not true communism.
Last edited by jughead; 07-08-2010 at 11:51 AM.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
A majority system of government in the world has some form of progressive taxation, enacted land reform, offer education to the masses, offer their citizens some form of health care and created rules governing working conditions and wages.
Ideas concerning wealth redistribution or at the very least fair distribution of wealth permeates the whole of global political systems not for merely ideological reasons, but practical ones as well.
I don't need to live in a socialist world any more then I need to live in a capitalist one, but wish for one one where people can live with the maximum amount of freedom and comfort without infringing upon others.
The uses of the terms socialist and capitalist have frequently been used to oppress and purge rival political factions, either violently, thru prison, harassment and exile.
The criticism of socialism that most people hear today are against Totalitarian Socialism (Socialism from above), but successful practice of socialist ideas require socialism from below which are practices in many Social Democracies.
The issues of inheritance, taxation, property are still in debate today and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
We know that the unregulated inheritance of economic and political power across generations is a risky proposition, fraught with oppressive conditions and failing leaders. When the advocates for wealth protectionism and the desire for unfettered political and economic inheritance appear, I know their interests are counter to those of humanity.
A person who seeks to pass his position and wealth on without limit seeks only to create a aristocracy, to knight and lord their selected, something which must be rejected with extreme prejudice.
Last edited by mu4; 07-08-2010 at 03:20 PM.
Yes.
The average citizen of a norway, sweden, denmark (socialists or social democracies) etc have higher quality of life than your average american.
Basically people are happier and have higher education/health care.
And thats given their cold location!
Even faux socialist countries like venezuela are on the rise at least in standards of living while America falls or remains stagnant. Granted they have an assload of oil to finance this but its a better model than Saudi Arabia who we take it in the ass from.
Rebuttal?
Seriously, dude, shut your fucking face! "it is an alternative to any system under which men can live as human beings" -- is this some kind of gamma thing or like what? explain yourself or elseway...
I don't know what you mean by socialism doesn't calculate. Economic theory attempts to calculate(not that accurate for prediction at that) and that's neither socialism or capitalism. Rational economic activity is moot because the sum of activity in the universe is not rational human economical activity.
We live in the world where the things we have to deal with is not only human oppression, but also natural disasters and every creeping death as well as envy, jealousy and the greed, malice, and negligence of others.
Anyways, stop harping about socialism or capitalism or whatever since if you want to talk reality, these are almost meaningless rhetorical viewpoints.
The more centralized systems have more possibilities for optimization and hence better results. USSR was good example, despite western propaganda says, in common. Other lesser named in media good examples of socialistic states were: GDR, Sweden, Eastern European states in 1945-1989 years were also highly developed compared to world's average level. Northern Korea was not lesser developed than Southern up to 1970s. Promoted by USA's technological and economical limitations established for socialistic states and inside sabotage, made serious harm to them.
When the interests of the society are the highest value, then democracy is natural there. There is no other possibility for real democracy.
It's the only system when everyone has equal possibilities for social growth and to take social power according to his abilities and skills.
The highest step of socialism is called communism, which is the only system where a man may implement his full productive potential.
It's the most humanistic political system. Close to Christianity (check ), despite supressed mystical part and traditional churches's role in known socialistic states. It's leeser said that late capitalistic states suppressed churches too and similarly established rationalism (check France from late 18th century).
Today most developed capitalistic states, have much of socialism, - social care and duties system. Some socialistic reforms were made there after USSR's example.
The most of humanity's history people lived in proto-communism. Collectivism represented by socialism in natural for people. It's doubtful the humanity may develop for long, leaded by individualistic anti-humanistic ideology of liberal capitalism, not coming to selfdestruction or regression. The lesser socialism will stay among people, the more problems may appear.
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Types examples: video bloggers, actors
Canada
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Ludwig von Mises
Hey, I can quote dead people too.
"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate (the) grave evils (of capitalism), namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society."
Albert Einstein, Why Socialism?, 1949 [13]
Do YOU have anything to say, or we just going to mindlessly quote others.
The mode of goodness conditions one to happiness, passion conditions him to the fruits of action, and ignorance to madness.
Chapter 14, Verse 9.
The Bhagavad Gita
That's a lot. I would add some kind of anarchy to it. And something about solving the green ?'s.
I'm not an economist, but you don't have to...lol be an economist to have heart.
The mode of goodness conditions one to happiness, passion conditions him to the fruits of action, and ignorance to madness.
Chapter 14, Verse 9.
The Bhagavad Gita
Erich Fromm. He's done a lot in promoting socialism.
I commend you, for comming to your own conclusions. However, that dosen't mean the conclusions of others are invalid, beacuse they do not come into alignment with yours.
I grant Albert is not the best source for this topic. chances are however, you are no more credible than he was. Could Einstein not have made years of observations himself? or is the fact that he was a physicist make him invaild automaticly. If so then come back to me when you have the prestige of Ludwig.
My beef with you simply, was that you are arrogant enough to copy paste a quote. Then you claim no more disscussion is needed, beacuse in your opinion, no one has adequately argued to the contraty.
It's not you position I have issue with, It's your reasoning.
The mode of goodness conditions one to happiness, passion conditions him to the fruits of action, and ignorance to madness.
Chapter 14, Verse 9.
The Bhagavad Gita
You seem reasonable, I perhaps came off a little to aggressively, for that im sorry. It's not that I support socialism, Im not a believer in one fix all answers. It's just when I perceive bad reasoning, it get me fired up.
I look foward to further disscussions in these forums.
The mode of goodness conditions one to happiness, passion conditions him to the fruits of action, and ignorance to madness.
Chapter 14, Verse 9.
The Bhagavad Gita
Make sure you include:Hmm, speaking of bad reasoning. I wonder if I should post my "Socionics Malreasoning" list here.
- pretending for there to be suitable conditions for empiricism where there aren't any
- supplying subjectively interpreted material as objective evidence
- asserting facts on the basis of ones personal authority while simultaneously condemning the general authority based approach