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    Just some of my ponderings about life and video-ness. And Brian and my differences.
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    hey man! I only managed to catch a little bit of this video but my thoughts:

    You seem very comfortable in your own skin, even when you say 'this is awkward' you don't exude any awkwardness whatsoever, I quality I have come to really like about ISFps.

    I cant see you and Gul as the same type, I refuse to see Gul as an ISFp. Using DarkAngelFireWolf69s DNCH system to justify a typing is bullshit in my opinion; you can justify anything doing that. Gul does not seem comfortable or relaxed; which is a key component in ISFp demeanor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thePirate View Post
    hey man! I only managed to catch a little bit of this video but my thoughts:

    You seem very comfortable in your own skin, even when you say 'this is awkward' you don't exude any awkwardness whatsoever, I quality I have come to really like about ISFps.

    I cant see you and Gul as the same type, I refuse to see Gul as an ISFp. Using DarkAngelFireWolf69s DNCH system to justify a typing is bullshit in my opinion; you can justify anything doing that. Gul does not seem comfortable or relaxed; which is a key component in ISFp demeanor.
    Because I'm up on stage, giving a performance. Interacting with people is terrifying.

    Repeatedly hammering home a single point is a sign both of a weak argument and significant cognitive distortion.

    You think I'm ESE right? But are you just using that as "hyperactive spazzball SEI", or is it an actual ESE typing?

    You also have to contend with all these people who know me to varying degrees commenting on how seemingly relaxed I am, how seemingly low-energy I am, how much of a relaxing, upcheering influence I seem to have, etc, etc. Well fuck me sideways, apparently I'm living on a planet of delusional idiots, and only your penetrating insight can cut through this massive cultural conspiracy to obscure my true type!

    That said, this could just be an issue of my S saying "Meanwhile, back in the real world--" and your N cutting it off with "Well to hell with you buddy, my imagination says this thing instead!" and we wind up talking completely in circles.

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    I don't know what the hell you are saying Brian.
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    Kamajama, I would say you seem fairly clearly SEI in that video. Your observation about your groundedness and "matter of fact" manner compared to Brian's "awkwardness" is consistent with my initial assessment of Brian as IEE. (Note that this is not absolute proof of that assessment, simply a lack of contradiction that could theoretically have other explanations).
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    oh also...
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    Interacting with people is terrifying.

    You also have to contend with all these people who know me to varying degrees commenting on how seemingly relaxed I am, how seemingly low-energy I am, how much of a relaxing, upcheering influence I seem to have, etc, etc.
    You're contradicting yourself. How do you think an ESFj would differ from this?
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    Kama you seem like a cool guy, you remind me of someone I've met but I don't remember at all who it was lol. ISFp works for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    Because I'm up on stage, giving a performance. Interacting with people is terrifying.
    Well then maybe you should stop "giving performances", since clearly you're giving people an impression of yourself that you don't see as accurate. It's not fair to use it as an excuse when you do it all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctures View Post
    Well then maybe you should stop "giving performances", since clearly you're giving people an impression of yourself that you don't see as accurate. It's not fair to use it as an excuse when you do it all the time.
    Ahh yes, good catch. A good indication that he is 3w2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamajama View Post
    I don't mean to ride on coat-tails of popular opinion, but I consider my social interaction a performance also. I have even called myself an actor at times in my real life.
    That's actually kinda interesting, because my ISFp mom sees herself in the same fashion. She told me once that she's learned all of her social skills from Mary Tyler Moore lol. Granted neither you nor my mom are at the same energy level as Brian

    Quote Originally Posted by electric sheep View Post
    Ahh yes, good catch. A good indication that he is 3w2.
    Well I wouldn't go that far. I don't really think Brian is actively seeking image confirmation as much as he is trying to reaffirm or defend his already established self-image, something I know I've been guilty of as well and I'm no 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electric sheep View Post
    wtf?? where does this come from? Isn't kama giving a performance too??? What does interacting with people being terrifying have to do with anything???
    I act crazy to make myself laugh. A lot of pretty much everything I do that involves other people is amusing myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by electric sheep View Post
    You're contradicting yourself. How do you think an ESFj would differ from this?
    "Low energy"? Isha also added when I was talking to her about this that it's not just low energy--it's that I'm comfortable being low energy. "You do nothing "

    "After a few days in your company, nobody who knew anything about Socionics would try to say you're an Extravert." paraphrased. Also mentioned, my lack of initiative. (And I'd add, similarly to the energy, I'm quite comfortable being moved around by other people; or in SEI fashion, particularly being The Second Guy turning the ILE's solitary spectacle of idiocy into a riotous party).

    Also, this is where DCNH comes in handy. Being Creative subtype and having accentuated Se means I can quite happily move in and kickstart things that aren't happening when by all rights they should. It's not my preferred way of operating, but I can tap into it if frustrated enough. (Compare with Se dominance which seems to live in a realm where every delay and hamper needs to be minimised and is an endless vexation.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Arctures View Post
    Well then maybe you should stop "giving performances", since clearly you're giving people an impression of yourself that you don't see as accurate. It's not fair to use it as an excuse when you do it all the time.
    Really, it's not my problem if you lot are delusional and make sweeping assumptions about who and what I am based on an extremely narrow scope of study. What you type me as is none of my concern.

    "Aha, but if you don't care, why do you post! Clearly you're lying!"

    No, what I care about is how utterly wrongheaded some of the typing methodologies circulating in this community are. Some of you people are absolutely atrocious, almost offensively so.

    So no, I don't think I'll stop acting up for my own amusement.

    I'd like to close this discussion with a picture. After that, you can find me in the bar, making deformed men out of peanuts, and we can put this latest type intrigue debacle of mine behind us.


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    FWIW, here's some probable SEIs looking pretty noticeably uncomfortable/fidgety or whatever in social situations:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    Really, it's not my problem if you lot are delusional and make sweeping assumptions about who and what I am based on an extremely narrow scope of study. What you type me as is none of my concern.
    I find it very hard to believe that a majority of other people are delusional and that you are the only person who knows yourself 100% correctly in every facet. You have to give other people more credit, because others are always going to see things in people that they've never noticed themselves due to personal bias. I am not making "sweeping assumptions" about who you are because I see very consistent patterns in behavior, and I have yet to see anything that would make me think anything other than Ep temperament. So why would I have any reason to believe that the way you act on camera is any different from who you really are? You simply saying that you act differently is never going to convince me unless I actually see it, nor should it convince anybody else.

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    You're cute Kam...I really love
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    ok let's think about this for a minute.

    Quote Originally Posted by thePirate View Post
    I cant see you and Gul as the same type, I refuse to see Gul as an ISFp. Using DarkAngelFireWolf69s DNCH system to justify a typing is bullshit in my opinion; you can justify anything doing that. Gul does not seem comfortable or relaxed; which is a key component in ISFp demeanor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    Because I'm up on stage, giving a performance. Interacting with people is terrifying.
    wtf?? where does this come from? Isn't kama giving a performance too??? What does interacting with people being terrifying have to do with anything??? Social anxiety exists. Different types have it for different reasons.
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    I don't mean to ride on coat-tails of popular opinion, but I consider my social interaction a performance also. I have even called myself an actor at times in my real life.
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    Nice video, Kam. Now you finally remind me of me. :-p Same energy levels. Bored sarcasm.
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    I am sorry I make you feel that way Ashton.
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    AWWW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamajama View Post
    YouTube - ME! being ISFp and Random.

    Just some of my ponderings about life and video-ness. And Brian and my differences.
    asd;fkljads awkward turtle lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    asd;fkljads awkward turtle lol.
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    I still don't see why ESFj is not your type. I mean, any good navigator of social situations knows when to "tone it down" and when to "turn it up" or when to affect others and let themselves be affected. It's not rocket science. How awkward you are in social situations is not meaningful when it comes to type. For all I know you just don't always know the appropriate energy level for each interaction. It can be tough to nail it sometimes. Your outpouring of emotion on this thread just seems like an attempt to flood everyone with bullshit so maybe they'll leave you alone. This is not what ISFps do in my experience. This is not "low energy". I don't buy it. I guess you'll say something like "ok I can act high energy when I want to" but then we're back to square one, you still aren't low energy, you pick your energy level for the interaction. But I get it, your hair is a bird, etc, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electric sheep View Post
    I still don't see why ESFj is not your type. I mean, any good navigator of social situations knows when to "tone it down" and when to "turn it up" or when to affect others and let themselves be affected. It's not rocket science. How awkward you are in social situations is not meaningful when it comes to type.
    Yeah, maybe you're just shit at life.


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    Bee's got the idea of the best way to deal with the type drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    Apparently this argument was used bu most people in this thread, that awkwardness makes someone less SEI, but it's the other way around.

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    but really, every type has some environments where they act more shy and awkward and other environments where they act more outgoing and confident. If brian only focuses on the situations where he has low energy and low confidence while everyone else focuses on the situations where he has high energy and high confidence, where does that leave us? How can we reach any kind of common ground?
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