Quote Originally Posted by Suz View Post
Looking back through this thread, now that i no longer self-type Ti-POLR.

Yeah i still resonate with what i said previously, however, as Codie mentioned about himself, I do have an appreciation for logical structure (although often, i've depended on others to provide it for me, or redirect me). I've also learned over time to structure my thoughts, from my many role model influences over the years. For me, its much easier to do so in writing than verbally, because i can move things around. What i've also learned over time is to cut out stuff that is irrelevant, to make a stronger case for whatever point it is i'm trying to make. Also easier to do in writing than by the spoken word.

Another thing i've noticed is that the people who get upset at my level of detail have a much less analytical thought process and work style compared to those who welcome it. It's almost like they dont want those details because it'll make them need to think harder. For whatever that's worth.

Apart from that, some people might get annoyed at seemingly "irrelevant" info coming from me, but it's often simply that they can't see the connection/importance, whereas I might. Then when i explain why i think it's important, they're like "ohh... ok yeah blah blah blah". OR they'll still be like insisting it doesn't matter (so they dont look the fool).

I've worked with sooo many characters...
Lol Suz I think I saw some 2D Ti norms from you on chat (Ti HA-ish). And your last sentence here, it sounds like defensive* lower dimensionality Ti assuming that other people's Ti works in the same way - no, actually not, it may be they actually honestly have a different opinion that they can logically reason for. Has nothing to do with trying to not look the fool. Whose reasoning is correct is of course the question in these situations. At least that's what I prefer to focus on as Ti ego. And btw I've read this sort of defensiveness can be Ti HA easily So it doesn't even have to be PoLR Ti or anything like that

*: Not to be taken personally, just didn't find a better word for this


Quote Originally Posted by ClownsandEntropy View Post
Interestingly, I often get annoyed at my mum about the lack of structure and long stories. It's partially because I myself am aware that I ramble on and it's annoying when I see other people doing it too. At the same time, I tend to prefer fast conversations with certain key words which everyone already understands, so that the explanation doesn't need to be long-winded, and I especially enjoy when someone can explain something succintly. I always attributed this to being a holographic thinker, but ENFp's are also holographic thinkers so they would also try to cut down detail, right?
What type is your mum? And no I've seen IEE's ramble on in this totally random way... H-P can be descriptive and then it can include detail, anyway. Just I suppose IEE does it differently from a Ti ego H-P