Ne PoLR

[XoX]

Let's go on with the PoLR series. This seems to help people with typing.

[Joy]

People with Ne PoLR run in fear of all things.

[Fermi]

Is it one of those persons that when you try them to do something new they go " NOOOO! I DONT WANNA! "

in that case they all can go to hell!

except ISTj!!

[Angel von Himmel]

In that case they all can go to hell!

except ISTj!!

They'd be the first to ship off in my book ...

[Joy]

ok. lets say i am istj. hit my Ne polr. and i really didn't have a reaction to the pic posted by rocky.

I think the trouble is that we do not actually have any real life examples of how Ne as PoLR would actually manifest. If you have Ne as place of least resistance it woud not be an obvious thing to notice, everyone thinks they can see a lot of options, but if you do not know what you are missing - perhaps one would only occasionally notice how some people like to come up with lot of irrelevancies and non-sequiturs...

I am thinking of the Ne types on this forum... Polly, Blaze, Kim, Diana, CuriousSoul, MysticSonic, pedro the lion, Jimmy, Nicky, etc... none of them come up with a lot of non-sequiturs. In fact, this is a quality which Kim criticizes in others.

[discojoe]

Fuzzy tree walrus.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[discojoe]

spoon red carrot

That didn't work on me.

[Slacker]

I'm curious as to what "Wii" is, but I'm a bit afraid to ask . . .

[Creepy-Diana]

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[discojoe]

spoon red carrot

That didn't work on me.

work?

With the numbers and the colors and the shapes.

[discojoe]

I'm curious as to what "Wii" is, but I'm a bit afraid to ask . . .

Google.

[Slacker]

Oh. I didn't have to be afraid of that

[Kim]

In fact, this is a quality which Kim criticizes in others.

I do?

[Joy]

yes, though perhaps "criticize" is too strong a word

[FDG]

ok. lets say i am istj. hit my Ne polr. and i really didn't have a reaction to the pic posted by rocky.

I think the trouble is that we do not actually have any real life examples of how Ne as PoLR would actually manifest. If you have Ne as place of least resistance it woud not be an obvious thing to notice, everyone thinks they can see a lot of options, but if you do not know what you are missing - perhaps one would only occasionally notice how some people like to come up with lot of irrelevancies and non-sequiturs...

I am thinking of the Ne types on this forum... Polly, Blaze, Kim, Diana, CuriousSoul, MysticSonic, pedro the lion, Jimmy, Nicky, etc... none of them come up with a lot of non-sequiturs. In fact, this is a quality which Kim criticizes in others.

Errr

He said that Ne-PoLR = non-sequiturs

NOT that Ne ego = non-sequiturs

[Rocky]

erhmmm... doesn't this quality have to do with a lack of JUDGMENT as oppsed to an Ne PoLR?

[FDG]

erhmmm... doesn't this quality have to do with a lack of JUDGMENT as oppsed to an Ne PoLR?

Nope

it's exactly what Jung referred to when in the description of the unhealthy Fi type he was talking about the fact-twisting

[Kim]

yes, though perhaps "criticize" is too strong a word

Elaborate?

[Rocky]

erhmmm... doesn't this quality have to do with a lack of JUDGMENT as oppsed to an Ne PoLR?

Nope

it's exactly what Jung referred to when in the description of the unhealthy Fi type he was talking about the fact-twisting

... then possibaly it's a lack of logical judgment, because I can't see any TJ type (especially) making jumps like that (an extreme "EP" ENTP would be more likely though).

[Joy]

I was saying that some people seem to equate non-sequiturs with a Ne ego, when in fact this is not the case. non-sequiturs are more indicative of a Ne PoLR.

[Rocky]

I know, but I'm just saying that I still disagree with you, Ms. ISTJ. :/

[Joy]

lol sorry rocky, my response was to FDG

I do disagree with you about this though, to some extent. what do you mean by "jumps like that"?

[Rocky]

Illogical lapses in sequential judgment.

[Joy]

I suppose there are many things that can cause this

[schrödinger's cat]

My Mum and a cousin both have a Ne PoLR, and I notice non sequiturs in them mainly when they're talking about future possibilities. They see one bad thing in the present and they simply think it's going to get worse and worse until it all blows right up in our faces.

[Joy]

see the thing is, my mom and dad both do that, my mom more so, and she's supposed to be an INTp *scratches head*

[Expat]

My Mum and a cousin both have a Ne PoLR, and I notice non sequiturs in them mainly when they're talking about future possibilities. They see one bad thing in the present and they simply think it's going to get worse and worse until it all blows right up in our faces.

Yes, I have seen that too in ISTjs and ISFjs.

But I wonder if it's not related to their too? They seem to be terrified of something that may happen in 6 month as if it was happening now already. So in order to deal with it now, they often make if worse.

[Joy]

my parents, especially my mom, are always asking what if questions about the most ridiculous things that are extremely unlikely, until I finally say something like "I don't know mom. What if a cow fell out of the sky and landed on your head?!"

[Creepy-pokeball]

my parents, especially my mom, are always asking what if questions about the most ridiculous things that are extremely unlikely, until I finally say something like "I don't know mom. What if a cow fell out of the sky and landed on your head?!"

It would hit so fast that one would here a loud thud followed by a massive release of gas

[schrödinger's cat]

My Mum and a cousin both have a Ne PoLR, and I notice non sequiturs in them mainly when they're talking about future possibilities. They see one bad thing in the present and they simply think it's going to get worse and worse until it all blows right up in our faces.

Yes, I have seen that too in ISTjs and ISFjs.

But I wonder if it's not related to their too? They seem to be terrified of something that may happen in 6 month as if it was happening now already. So in order to deal with it now, they often make if worse.

Could be related to , no idea. All I can say is that it's something they do and I don't, so my first guess was that it was their PoLR. Anyway, the contrast is amazing: they're so together and realistic in the here and now, but future possibilities turn them into little orphans in a big black wood full of ghosties and ghoulies and long-leggedy beasties.

[Topaz]

My Mum and a cousin both have a Ne PoLR, and I notice non sequiturs in them mainly when they're talking about future possibilities. They see one bad thing in the present and they simply think it's going to get worse and worse until it all blows right up in our faces.

Yes, I have seen that too in ISTjs and ISFjs.

But I wonder if it's not related to their too? They seem to be terrified of something that may happen in 6 month as if it was happening now already. So in order to deal with it now, they often make if worse.

Could be related to , no idea. All I can say is that it's something they do and I don't, so my first guess was that it was their PoLR. Anyway, the contrast is amazing: they're so together and realistic in the here and now, but future possibilities turn them into little orphans in a big black wood full of ghosties and ghoulies and long-leggedy beasties.

I knew a group of women like this in NY. They would sit around the livingroom and scare each other to death about the dangers that awaited them. I told them to stop looking at the news because they were getting too freaked out. They resisited. So I suggested they take a vacation, get aways and visit some family down south. The response-- "Cant. Afraid to fly". How about a cruise then?. The response--" No way. Scared of sharks " How about a train? --- "UH UHn, nope, Didnt you hear about that train in Louisiana that went off the tracks and fell into the swamp and the aligators got some of the people"
These women lived in the most dangerous part of Brooklyn which at the time was the murder capital of the US and yet they were afaid to get out of town. Go figure. OH they were all xSxJs.

[Raver]

//EDIT: Well, I accidentally stated that ISTps have a polR due to model confusion, but I will leave it here in order to understand the suggestive function more.//

I'm going to talk about my experience with one of them. I have a very good ISTp friend, which is probably the only pen pal that I still talk to. He has a tendency to envision the worst possibility if a situation arises that appears hidden and filled with deception. I tend to view the same situation and regard the possibility that fills in all the gaps and I am usually right. Anyways, I have no problem having a theoretical discussion with him on any level and we are able to discuss future possibilities and mystic occuranceswith understanding and appreciation. This made me believe that he was intuitive, but now I'm 95% sure he's an ISTp and he believes he is as well. The belief that all sensors can't learn theoretical information or won't enjoy it is pure hogwash.

[anndelise]

Well, since ISTp's supposedly have a Ne Polr, I would talk about my experience with one of them. I have a very good ISTp friend, which is probably the only pen pal that I still talk to. He has a tendency to envision the worst possibility if a situation arises that appears hidden and filled with deception. I tend to view the same situation and regard the possibility that fills in all the gaps and I am usually right. Anyways, I have no problem having a theoretical discussion with him on any level and we are able to discuss future possibilities and mystic occuranceswith understanding and appreciation. This made me believe that he was intuitive, but now I'm 95% sure he's an ISTp and he believes he is as well. The belief that a sensor can't learn theoretical information or won't enjoy it is pure hogwash.

Um...did you mean ISTj?
ISTp has Ne as their 5th, and Fe as their polr.

[Raver]

Well, since ISTp's supposedly have a Ne Polr, I would talk about my experience with one of them. I have a very good ISTp friend, which is probably the only pen pal that I still talk to. He has a tendency to envision the worst possibility if a situation arises that appears hidden and filled with deception. I tend to view the same situation and regard the possibility that fills in all the gaps and I am usually right. Anyways, I have no problem having a theoretical discussion with him on any level and we are able to discuss future possibilities and mystic occuranceswith understanding and appreciation. This made me believe that he was intuitive, but now I'm 95% sure he's an ISTp and he believes he is as well. The belief that a sensor can't learn theoretical information or won't enjoy it is pure hogwash.

Um...did you mean ISTj?
ISTp has Ne as their 5th, and Fe as their polr.

Good point, I'll correct it and he's definitely an ISTp, I just got confused with my own model.

[anndelise]

Well, since ISTp's supposedly have a Ne Polr, I would talk about my experience with one of them. I have a very good ISTp friend, which is probably the only pen pal that I still talk to. He has a tendency to envision the worst possibility if a situation arises that appears hidden and filled with deception. I tend to view the same situation and regard the possibility that fills in all the gaps and I am usually right. Anyways, I have no problem having a theoretical discussion with him on any level and we are able to discuss future possibilities and mystic occuranceswith understanding and appreciation. This made me believe that he was intuitive, but now I'm 95% sure he's an ISTp and he believes he is as well. The belief that a sensor can't learn theoretical information or won't enjoy it is pure hogwash.

Um...did you mean ISTj?
ISTp has Ne as their 5th, and Fe as their polr.

Good point, I'll correct it and he's definitely an ISTp, I just got confused with my own model.

I have found that Si in 1st position tend to use Ne a heck of a lot. Perhaps not quite to the extent that I use it, but I love their Ne-ish jokes.

[Raver]

Well, since ISTp's supposedly have a Ne Polr, I would talk about my experience with one of them. I have a very good ISTp friend, which is probably the only pen pal that I still talk to. He has a tendency to envision the worst possibility if a situation arises that appears hidden and filled with deception. I tend to view the same situation and regard the possibility that fills in all the gaps and I am usually right. Anyways, I have no problem having a theoretical discussion with him on any level and we are able to discuss future possibilities and mystic occuranceswith understanding and appreciation. This made me believe that he was intuitive, but now I'm 95% sure he's an ISTp and he believes he is as well. The belief that a sensor can't learn theoretical information or won't enjoy it is pure hogwash.

Um...did you mean ISTj?
ISTp has Ne as their 5th, and Fe as their polr.

Good point, I'll correct it and he's definitely an ISTp, I just got confused with my own model.

I have found that Si in 1st position tend to use Ne a heck of a lot. Perhaps not quite to the extent that I use it, but I love their Ne-ish jokes.

Yeah that's true and that is why I have no problem discussing anything with an ISTp no matter how strange or weird it appears. Yeah me and my ISTp pen pal randomly use Ne jokes in a contininous manner and have a laugh fest.

[Slacker]

What are "Ne jokes"?

[Raver]

I'm going to start a new topic, sorry for this thread hijack Joy.