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    So I think that BulletsandDoves may have Se PoLR. (Can't be bothered putting that in a labcoat-friendly way. :-p)

    He avoids confrontation - seems to see arguing as a bad thing, whereas 'other' IEIs on the board (excepting Silverchris, who may be Delta :-p) apparently enjoy that kind of thing, or at least seem to see it as a point of honour to address conflict. B&D isn't in-your-face - the issues he writes about are - which differs from IEIs who are reactive in themselves. He focuses on writing excessively truthful stuff - addressing issues that are important to him. He then usually ignores people's reactions, and goes on to write something else.

    In terms of his expression, he basically seems to be about being real - to the extent of facing one's darkest urges or w/e. I think this is a focus on Fi rather than Fe - and deep-held values rather than changeable emotions.

    I think there may be an automatic association of Se with anything that pushes the envelope and unsettles people. Those uhh documentaries that force people to watch animals being killed or w/e to raise awareness for a specific cause - surely Fi?

    His writings seem Ne-ish imo. He actually manages to address dark material in a light and fluffy manner :-p .. largely through his use of narration (which seems Te?) - which serves to continually remind the reader that they're merely listening to a story - keeps you from getting immersed in the drama of what you're reading. I think Beta NF would prefer to do the opposite - to get people caught up in the emotion. Also, there seems to me to be a heavily moralistic flavour to his writings. :-p Frequent breaks to outline the moral of the story - which further serve to dampen the drama. Speaking of which, I think the recent Adventures thread by GQ would also suggest that B&D doesn't like drama.

    Erm, so what do you think?
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    Stupid.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Also, Si is more about intensity of sensation than Se.
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    Errr, not necessarily. Se types are more likely to be real thrill seekers: skydiving, base jumping, etc. Se-valuing extroverts tend to have the highest threshold for stimulation, I think.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    However I think Si valuers are more likely to go in for things like tantric sex, regular drinking, heroin use, and excess in a more sort of every-day fashion, although IME the Se valuers who go this route tend to go completely overboard/self-destructive.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    Also, Si is more about intensity of sensation than Se.
    At risk of offending some people, I'd rather say Si is about the quality of sensation as opposed to its intensity, among other things. Si quadras seem calmer to me in that they seek balanced, pleasant sensation rather than extremes - that's not to say they never overdo it, of course.

    I don't see the things you do in B&D's posts, or rather - I interpret them differently. I know two LIIs and two EIIs very well in real life, and more rather superficially. There are differences between xIIs in their respective Se-PoLRs and Si-HAs, but I'd say confrontation avoidance thing isn't the dominant in B&D behavior here, it's rather expression in bursts, which once happens is redirected (peak of +Fe). I see neither Ne or Te in his writing style, too.

    I also largely disagree with Fi/Fe comments. IEIs seem to be big on the concept of identity - or rather, more vocal and open about it than other types - so it's not just B&D. I don't think the type of documentaries you've mentioned is Fi; I'd rather say in the directness aspect they're Fe, attempting to force an emotional response to change people's behavior - perhaps more Beta than Alpha Fe. But I see how it could be related to Fi-agenda, too.

    I'll look at his posts from this angle, but I'm skeptical about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    However I think Si valuers are more likely to go in for things like tantric sex, regular drinking, heroin use, and excess in a more sort of every-day fashion, although IME the Se valuers who go this route tend to go completely overboard/self-destructive.
    I think because Si works by balancing things. It's exactly the same thing as why Si bases can temper themselves because they know it'll feel awful later as when they indulge in "damaging" things because either the consequences later are worth the positive thing now. (Sort of... how I think and weigh things is "This will feel good now"/"This isn't worth how bad it'll feel later", etc, etc)

    That's without including substance intake for social reasons in the Alpha quadra (drinking, smoking tobacco, smoking weed, whatever).

    So I think if Si is about maintaining a positive relationship between your internal state and your environment, Si bases will always look at it as a net positive, even if it's not necessarily always so consciously weighed. In fact, I think a lot of my self-restraint comes from considering things well beforehand; though I'm not sure what the balance is between thinking and considering well before something comes up, and reflecting and weighing in-the-moment (or just before it, rather ).

    This is all assuming you're happy with me being Si base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    However I think Si valuers are more likely to go in for things like tantric sex, regular drinking, heroin use, and excess in a more sort of every-day fashion, although IME the Se valuers who go this route tend to go completely overboard/self-destructive.
    Yeah, but I was thinking that using sensation to manipulate is more Si, being that Si valuers generally get more out of everyday sensations.
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    Your view of the functions seems banal and stereotypical to me, Rubicon.

    He avoids confrontation - seems to see arguing as a bad thing, whereas 'other' IEIs on the board (excepting Silverchris, who may be Delta :-p) apparently enjoy that kind of thing, or at least seem to see it as a point of honour to address conflict. B&D isn't in-your-face - the issues he writes about are - which differs from IEIs who are reactive in themselves. He focuses on writing excessively truthful stuff - addressing issues that are important to him. He then usually ignores people's reactions, and goes on to write something else.
    I just wasn't in that mood that one time. I still like to argue a lot. I also don't consider arguing on the internet 'confrontation.' I consider it debating. Most people on the internet do seem to just want to pick fights though. I just view that as being immature though.

    And yes I prefer to be excessively truthful. That's just the type of person I am, I don't think that being truthful is type related. I ignore people's reactions? Dude. I ignored you *one* time because I wasn't in the mood for it and you came up with paragraphs of analyizations of me based upon that. LoL. Well at least I'm interesting enough to be talked about.

    Those uhh documentaries that force people to watch animals being killed or w/e to raise awareness for a specific cause - surely Fi?
    Stuff like that doesn't bother me. And yes I am an empathetic, compassionate person because I'm a human being.

    His writings seem Ne-ish imo. He actually manages to address dark material in a light and fluffy manner :-p .. largely through his use of narration (which seems Te?)
    The hell. How? Obviously this perception differs, as Akra and others surely didn't perceive my rape scenes as 'light and fluffly.'

    Also, there seems to me to be a heavily moralistic flavour to his writings. :-p
    Of course there is. But IEI is an ethical type too.

    Frequent breaks to outline the moral of the story - which further serve to dampen the drama.
    Yeah true, I don't like drama in real life. I think it's insecure and pretty shrill-y although I mean I guess it happens to us all? I just think that's not type related.

    Erm, so what do you think?
    That your understanding of the functions is too stereotypical and umm not defined enough? Or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Your view of the functions seems banal and stereotypical to me, Rubicon.



    I just wasn't in that mood that one time. I still like to argue a lot. I also don't consider arguing on the internet 'confrontation.' I consider it debating. Most people on the internet do seem to just want to pick fights though. I just view that as being immature though.

    And yes I prefer to be excessively truthful. That's just the type of person I am, I don't think that being truthful is type related. I ignore people's reactions? Dude. I ignored you *one* time because I wasn't in the mood for it and you came up with paragraphs of analyizations of me based upon that. LoL. Well at least I'm interesting enough to be talked about.



    Stuff like that doesn't bother me. And yes I am an empathetic, compassionate person because I'm a human being.



    The hell. How? Obviously this perception differs, as Akra and others surely didn't perceive my rape scenes as 'light and fluffly.'



    Of course there is. But IEI is an ethical type too.



    Yeah true, I don't like drama in real life. I think it's insecure and pretty shrill-y although I mean I guess it happens to us all? I just think that's not type related.



    That your understanding of the functions is too stereotypical and umm not defined enough? Or something.
    You don't value anything in terms of stepping over other to get to your goals and when you do you're highly appologetic and concerned about your actions, that's more of an Fi then Fe and I completely agree with Rubicon's doubt about your self typing as IEI. Anyone can be concerned about being truthful and debating, those may not be type related. What I do find to be type related is your complete lack of emphasis on Ti; for IEI Ti is an activation function. You have not yet, thus incorporated any traits of that function.

    I don't see you discussing needs or concern for catagories or identification of such...

    Usually, IEI would not be offended by your artistic expression, maybe emotionally taken back by it but certainly not something that would shake their beliefs/values, because that is based on Fe not Fi...but seeing the reactions to you from Fi perspective and your feedback on such a reaction, certainly shed some light on you possibly not valuing Fe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Your view of the functions seems banal and stereotypical to me, Rubicon.
    <Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not

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    Who started this stupid thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Your view of the functions seems banal and stereotypical to me, Rubicon.
    lol maybe
    And yes I prefer to be excessively truthful. That's just the type of person I am, I don't think that being truthful is type related. I ignore people's reactions? Dude. I ignored you *one* time because I wasn't in the mood for it and you came up with paragraphs of analyizations of me based upon that. LoL. Well at least I'm interesting enough to be talked about.
    It wasn't based on that. It's not personal in the slightest. I'm pretty sure you've ignored bad reactions to you many times.
    And yes I am an empathetic, compassionate person because I'm a human being.
    I thought the majority of human beings were selfish, godforsaken narcissistic whatevers.
    The hell. How? Obviously this perception differs, as Akra and others surely didn't perceive my rape scenes as 'light and fluffly.'
    Just the way you were narrating and making witty comments - it kept me from getting too immersed in the story anyway.

    Anyway, B&D.. I'm not attacking you. I just honestly think you focus more on Fi. :-p Meh whatever though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Your view of the functions seems banal and stereotypical to me, Rubicon.
    ahaahHahaohOhoOHAHAHGAHAHAHAH

    (As if 'perception' of a function and its application is not just another stereotype, this thread = )

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    EP, we have already gone over this. You got destroyed last time, or do you remember?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    A passive-aggressive poser. Not the only one among the forum IEIs, though.
    And you're a crackpot who's lost grip on reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    There are degrees of stereotypes.
    Look I made a picture with stylish text and cool graphics



    Oh yes, the spectrum (degrees) of opinions (our perception) made of stereotypes (a function and its application, stereotyping human behavior), where one's own opinion is king. There are indeed degrees of stereotypes.

    and we did go over it last time, the unofficial conclusion was that functions are stereotypes themselves that have a certain degree of accuracy and that certain stereotypical typing methods are appropriate within the rules of socionics, which I concede, but only with the addition of the spectrum above.

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    Your spectrum sucks. It should read:
    Scientific community -------------- Rubicon
    correct -------------------->>>>> banal

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    EP, we have already gone over this. You got destroyed last time, or do you remember?
    Oh, yeah, god, that's the one where you called him Darth Vader Wittgenstein. Being 100% unironic, I still find that effing hilarious.

    EP, photoshop?

    I don't want to get in an unnecessary argument about functions. But b&d makes absolutely no sense as any type except IEI.

    EDIT: Also, I think that this emphasis on betas as full of conflict comes from the statements of some forum members, possibly myself included, who said those things out of a solid understanding of socionics, but I feel that such statements can be and have been misapplied. You don't have to be constantly fighting in an obvious external way (or even any particular way at all) to be beta. It's a stereotype, a generalization that can help diagnose beta-itis (we are a disease), but really... I dunno, I think it has been somewhat overused. I should be responsible and write about it!
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    So I think that BulletsandDoves may have Se PoLR. (Can't be bothered putting that in a labcoat-friendly way. :-p)
    Huh?

    I think you may be on the completely wrong track here. I mean that in the most rubicon-friendly way imaginable.

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    You don't value anything in terms of stepping over other to get to your goals and when you do you're highly appologetic and concerned about your actions, that's more of an Fi then Fe and I completely agree with Rubicon's doubt about your self typing as IEI.
    Noooo it's because I actually still have empathy unlike most of the selfish narcissistic fucked up god for saken human race. Stepping over others seems extremely counter-productive to me. Giving a shit about somebody else other than yourself isn't socionics related. It's also more of a long-term thing that I view with my Ni imo. Yes, revenge and stepping on others is immediately gratifying but the long-term consequences of it is batshit stupid. I still have my Guilt and Empathy because I haven't sold my soul like most Americans.

    The only way I'd agree to be EII is if you could fanwank it to be where Dolphin is an LSE and be my dual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Noooo it's because I actually still have empathy unlike most of the selfish narcissistic fucked up god for saken human race. Stepping over others seems extremely counter-productive to me. Giving a shit about somebody else other than yourself isn't socionics related. It's also more of a long-term thing that I view with my Ni imo. Yes, revenge and stepping on others is immediately gratifying but the long-term consequences of it is batshit stupid. I still have my Guilt and Empathy because I haven't sold my soul like most Americans.

    The only way I'd agree to be EII is if you could fanwank it to be where Dolphin is an LSE and be my dual.
    Please read this...Allie is IEI and you can get a sense of what empathy is in IEI character...

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/482188-post60.html

    You're not EII but I do believe that you do have strong humanitarian values...you may be quite young I suppose so the other ego elements haven't hit your realization of your self yet?

    Where is your competition loving nature exactly, where you choose which person/event will be successful?...Using Ni with Ti an IEI successfully will highlight which person will win at what and that's just a natural risk/strategic inclination. I don't see these things in you.

    Allie in her dual pair will receive options/choices and will decide which one to go with because of her Ni/Ti nature

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    These are not socionics type related things:

    1. cursing
    2. being lazy
    3. being smart/knowledgable
    4. valuing truthfulness/honesty
    5. debating/arguing
    6. Pissing people off is not Se PoLR or any polr.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Yeah Maritsa. Good reminder, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    Huh?
    You were saying you didn't believe in PoLRs in some thread..
    I think you may be on the completely wrong track here. I mean that in the most rubicon-friendly way imaginable.
    haha ok
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    Loving art is not only for IEI's; Van Gogh was EII, not saying that you are also. I do believe that you're neither those types. But, don't hold on to self typing to be IEI just because you think they are the only artists.
    I know that. I don't think that. I just like to make fun of it I guess how IEI and faggy internal artistic shit goes together.

    Anyway, B&D.. I'm not attacking you.
    I know that. I don't feel attacked in the slightest.

    I just honestly think you focus more on Fi. :-p Meh whatever though.
    And whereas I can see where you'd get that perception of me, I think it stems from a view of socionics that's not objectively and precisely accurate enough. And also not taking into consideration the 'whole picture' of who I really am. Remember, IEIs are great at Fi too, just like INFjs are. We can probably even be very EII like over the internet sometimes, because our unconscious functions can come up to the forefront more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    I know that. I don't think that. I just like to make fun of it I guess how IEI and faggy internal artistic shit goes together.



    I know that. I don't feel attacked in the slightest.



    And whereas I can see where you'd get that perception of me, I think it stems from a view of socionics that's not objectively and precisely accurate enough. And also not taking into consideration the 'whole picture' of who I really am. Remember, IEIs are great at Fi too, just like INFjs are. We can probably even be very EII like over the internet sometimes, because our unconscious functions can come up to the forefront more.
    No they don't, they don't have our empathy or value our empathy. They don't value Te, things like doing something a certain way.

    In your tasks, before you begin doing something, do you work out a plan of action?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    /facepalm.

    Empathy is not type-related.

    ENTj straight boy Ashton is actually very empathetic. Now I think yes, sometimes he uses that empathy to purposefully know what to say to royally piss somebody off, it's still empathy in that he understands well what other are people feeling. Empathy is a normal human trait that allows us to co-exist together in society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    No they don't, they don't have our empathy or value our empathy.
    I really dont like you sometimes because you say really stupid stuff like this.
    <Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    We can probably even be very EII like over the internet sometimes, because our unconscious functions can come up to the forefront more.
    Yeah I guess, but obviously I'm comparing you to other IEIs on here, so..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    You were saying you didn't believe in PoLRs in some thread..
    haha ok

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    A passive-aggressive poser.
    Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning? Well I'm here for you when you want to talk about it.

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    Every time I read your posts I am reminded of what a crackpot you are. I feel a need to let it be known - if we can all agree you are a crackpot, we can all agree to ignore you.

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    Except I like Pinocchio's posts. He's a good poster. You just gotta know what you're reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    A passive-aggressive poser. Not the only one among the forum IEIs, though.
    She's not IEI.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    So I think that BulletsandDoves may have Se PoLR. (Can't be bothered putting that in a labcoat-friendly way. :-p)

    He avoids confrontation - seems to see arguing as a bad thing, whereas 'other' IEIs on the board (excepting Silverchris, who may be Delta :-p) apparently enjoy that kind of thing, or at least seem to see it as a point of honour to address conflict. B&D isn't in-your-face - the issues he writes about are - which differs from IEIs who are reactive in themselves. He focuses on writing excessively truthful stuff - addressing issues that are important to him. He then usually ignores people's reactions, and goes on to write something else.

    In terms of his expression, he basically seems to be about being real - to the extent of facing one's darkest urges or w/e. I think this is a focus on Fi rather than Fe - and deep-held values rather than changeable emotions.

    I think there may be an automatic association of Se with anything that pushes the envelope and unsettles people. Those uhh documentaries that force people to watch animals being killed or w/e to raise awareness for a specific cause - surely Fi?

    His writings seem Ne-ish imo. He actually manages to address dark material in a light and fluffy manner :-p .. largely through his use of narration (which seems Te?) - which serves to continually remind the reader that they're merely listening to a story - keeps you from getting immersed in the drama of what you're reading. I think Beta NF would prefer to do the opposite - to get people caught up in the emotion. Also, there seems to me to be a heavily moralistic flavour to his writings. :-p Frequent breaks to outline the moral of the story - which further serve to dampen the drama. Speaking of which, I think the recent Adventures thread by GQ would also suggest that B&D doesn't like drama.

    Erm, so what do you think?
    ESTj

    Sometimes my duals say and do things that are harsh and they offend people with their "humor" style, but that they just want to be accepted for who they are. They don't want people to get upset at them or mad at them for their behavior...
    Last edited by Beautiful sky; 06-18-2010 at 03:59 PM.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    ESTj

    Sometimes my duals say and do things that are harsh and they offend people with their "humor" style, but that they just want to be accepted for who they are. They don't want people to get upset at them or mad at them for their behavior...
    Who.. B&D?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    B & D likes drama
    I think he'd prefer a llama.

    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

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    What people don't understand is that Benefit relations are really very warm, they can easily be mistaken for your duals...

    B&D, I really do think you're ESTj because you keep mistaking Dolphin as your dual because of the warmth I see here...

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/659090-post21.html

    There's a huge difference between ESFp's and INFj's some include the need for or the desire to receive Si information. ESFp's give Fi which makes my duals warm to that regard, but they have Se.

    Dolphin is very clearly ESFp, so if you're attracted to her then you must either like Se or Fi. If you like Se then you're likely to be IEI, but if you are, then you don't show characteristics of Ni and especially coupled with Ti.

    If you like Fi then you can be ESTj, because then you feel the warmth of Fi. Thus far, you don't show character ILI traits especially since they would be more careful in using Fi, to not offend people, which you have already done...so in essence you have either weak Fi or need addition of Fi, which is dual seeking.

    I feel a certain sense of stress when I read posts, or when I speak with ILI types, because of heavy emphasis on Ni materials. I don't feel that stress with you. I have that ability or capability of feeling how words impact my psyche and they do very easily.

    For Ni related materials I would suggest you try reading Ragnar's, Plynex's, and Allie's posts.

    What you speak about empathy may actually be dual seeking, that regard for people who show good will towards others...you can read about that in wikisocion.

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/643754-post3.html

    SLE have this restraint about them, a uncomfortableness to show their crude side; they hide behind the mask of ethics and uprightness. What you guys call beta as being overly dramatic and such just doesn't ring true, because they are more about healthy compitition and Fe, not drama.
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    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    SLE have this restraint about them, a uncomfortableness to show their crude side; they hide behind the mask of ethics and uprightness. What you guys call beta as being overly dramatic and such just doesn't ring true, because they are more about healthy compitition and Fe, not drama.
    TRUTH. +100
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