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    It seems to me that whenever I am on here I am begging for help, but I need to know, I am desperate!
    I always thought that I was an IEE and now I am being questioned for being an EIE.
    I am worried! If I am not an IEE, my whole world will be warped! I need reassurance and help!

    Can any of you ask me questions or give me websites or anything to help me out?

    Any help will be greatly appreciated
    ENFp. yay!

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    Go to the wikisocion (here) or Rick's Socionics website (here), both not flawless but probably the best info you can get as a beginner, and learn about the IEs and function placements. Understand them individually and then start to put together the information to get a clear picture of types (for example, you first need to understand and the leading function before you can understand -leading). NeFi and FeNi are completely different, make sure you aren't confusing MBTI descriptions with Socionics types, as they are similar in that typing system, which I have a feeling is happening in your case (I would find it more likely to be confused with being an NiFe since the NeFi block exists in that type as well). The best way to type is to ask for evidence... What is the evidence that is in the creative and is in the suggestive? The more evidence you find for these types of questions, the more likely you'll be able to ascertain your type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbybeam View Post
    It seems to me that whenever I am on here I am begging for help, but I need to know, I am desperate!
    I always thought that I was an IEE and now I am being questioned for being an EIE.
    I am worried! If I am not an IEE, my whole world will be warped! I need reassurance and help!

    Can any of you ask me questions or give me websites or anything to help me out?

    Any help will be greatly appreciated
    I remember seeing a picture of you and you seemed to look like an IEE. And your posts come across IEE to me too. What prompted the EIE proposal?

    IEE and EIE are quasi's so it's not surprising someone might think one is the other and vice versa.

    Are you Fi-valuing or Fe-valuing?

    Are you Si-valuing or Se-valuing?

    Those are two easy ways to tell the difference.

    Another thing:

    Are you more beta or more delta? Do you prefer one-on-one interactions or big group interactions where people are laughing loudly? Do you have a more teenager mindset (e.g. rebelliousness) or elderly person mindset (e.g. likes peace and quiet, making do with the current order, dry intellectual discussions)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by look.to.the.sky View Post
    Go to the wikisocion (here) or Rick's Socionics website (here), both not flawless but probably the best info you can get as a beginner, and learn about the IEs and function placements. Understand them individually and then start to put together the information to get a clear picture of types (for example, you first need to understand and the leading function before you can understand -leading). NeFi and FeNi are completely different, make sure you aren't confusing MBTI descriptions with Socionics types, as they are similar in that typing system, which I have a feeling is happening in your case (I would find it more likely to be confused with being an NiFe since the NeFi block exists in that type as well). The best way to type is to ask for evidence... What is the evidence that is in the creative and is in the suggestive? The more evidence you find for these types of questions, the more likely you'll be able to ascertain your type.
    I used Rick's socionics site and this helped a lot!
    I definitely am not focused on "'external self-expression.' This is a striving to express externally the urges, passions, and desires one experiences internally. EIEs like to continually draw attention to themselves by making unexpected, abrubt statements, using unusual words or intonations, developing a striking outward appearance, and otherwise sticking out of the 'dull crowd'."
    "EIEs are as much or more interested in their image and others' emotional response to them as in the productivity of their work itself. They strive to be stimulating, captivating, and riveting in whatever they do. They have a great need to evoke an emotional response in other people."
    Not me either-I do not care about image, I am all about my product and hard work! I do not need admiration from others, though I do enjoy when a respected teacher or someone in the field gives me credit for doing something well, but I do not do things well because I get recognition, I do it because it is in me to do so!

    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    I remember seeing a picture of you and you seemed to look like an IEE. And your posts come across IEE to me too. What prompted the EIE proposal?
    One of the members in the forum had suggested EIE for a number of different reasons. She thought I was a beta because I put people in their place when they needed to be...umm but I did it for protection and not just because. I am very tolerant with people, but when they cross a line such as being malicious or disrespecting me multiple times, I will not let them to continue to hurt me like that.

    "EIEs reject the idea of basing their lives on "being productive, rational, and useful," choosing instead to do as their passions dictate."
    This is not me either!


    Quote Originally Posted by workaholicsanon
    Are you Fi-valuing or Fe-valuing?
    I think that I am Fi-valuing. I do not place high value on outward displays of emotion. They are unnecessary. I like to do it for fun, so they usually do not mean anything to me at all. I mean obviously if I get mad or something and I am in the company of my dad, mom, or sister, I will express anger and stuff, but when I am having a good time, I do not need to express an emotion.

    "This focus on self-expression stimulates others around them to also be more expressive and focused on what they are feeling. The EIE usually leads in this process, having the richest arsenal of feelings and means of expressing them."
    No, I really do focus on trying to be more rational. I mean, I hate it when others are emotionless and when I mean emotionless, I mean lacking the concern and care for others in a deep way. But when I am dealing with a communication problem or sorting out problems within groups of people and such, I try to be logical, fair, and level headed (even tempered) so we can fix the problems and not offend anyone.

    Are you Si-valuing or Se-valuing?
    I think that I am Si-valuing. I enjoy the little pleasures in life like the way a massage makes my body feel, the way music gets me going (I am very picky with music), the way stretching makes me feel-these things calm me down and take my mind off of everything else that I am thinking about.

    I cannot seem to find my dual anywhere (SLI), so I find that things like these make me feel the way my dual would. I must admit, I do enjoy a little bit of marijuana, too when I am not in school (like now) because it gets me in such a relaxed state of mind and body. I do not get so worried when I am in big groups of people or anything.
    I really think that I am IEE! I was so worried!


    Quote Originally Posted by workaholicsanon
    Another thing:

    Are you more beta or more delta? Do you prefer one-on-one interactions or big group interactions where people are laughing loudly? Do you have a more teenager mindset (e.g. rebelliousness) or elderly person mindset (e.g. likes peace and quiet, making do with the current order, dry intellectual discussions)?
    Delta Delta Delta! I know this for sure! I enjoy small groups and tend to be more one-on-one. The biggest groups that I like are no more than 6 and if I do not know certain members in the group, I am still a little awkward, though I do try to mingle and carry on-it is very forced, but done in a nice way because I do not want them to feel that they are not liked.
    When I am in a setting with good music and if I know say 1 person extremely well (my sister-she eases me a bit, not her type, but her personally), 1 person well (and I feel comfortable with her), 1 person fairly well (and I feel comfortable with her, too), and then there are 2 people that I don't really know, but don't find threatening or mean, than I am fine...It is still awkward, but music makes me happy and eases me SO MUCH.
    My ideal gathering would be relaxed in my own home with close friends, good music, maybe a little bit of alcohol to mellow everyone out (never trashed! NEVER NEVER NEVER. it ruins the good feeling), a good movie, and some good laughs, oh oh and maybe some food if anyone gets hungry :]

    I am elderly, hands down! I am so much more comfortable with older people than I am my own age! hahaha I am SO uncomfortable around people my own age. I definitely have to warm up to them. I feel very old and I always have and this made it hard fitting in at school. I just did not understand why people my age acted the way they acted, and I still don't a lot of the time! haha I have been told by a yoga instructor that I am an old soul who has been reincarnated several times before, I was told by my child psych professor that I am wise, and I was always told that I was way mature for my age. (The only reason why I am telling you this last part is that I don't just think that I have an elderly mindset, but that others see it, too! )

    Intellectual conversations!!!!!!! oh oh and fixing the problems of the world and seeing the problems of the world. Yes yes yes!!!! that is so me! It is very hard for me to talk about nothing!

    Oh oh and I LOVE peace and quiet! I always wish that I lived amongst the trees in a forest and not in a suburb...I mean, don't get me wrong, I am still fun!! I would enjoy going to a big city sometimes and site seeing, going to galleries, going to small shows, umm walking around the city amidst the bustling people, BUT in my everyday life, I do enjoy peace and quiet. I hate the cars rushing by, and no plant life anywhere...no beauty! I like the time of day when nobody is really out and I can be in my own thoughts!

    Dry intellectual discussions are awesome! Me and a former friend-like literally our whole relationship was all about that...until it became something more and then we had some fun, too...hahaha what I am getting at, is that I do enjoy intellectual discussions, but I also enjoy breaking it up with some silliness and some fun and teasing and such. I like variety, but over all, I am serious minded (but if I read and do a lot more of serious thinking on my own and then discussed what I have learned with someone who is close to me, then my conversations with others tends to be more light hearted).

    Thank you thank you thank you! I was so worried that I was not an IEE, but I really feel that I am!
    I am worried as to why I was thought to be EIE, but maybe it was because I stated that I was IEE with too much confidence or something?
    ENFp. yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbybeam View Post
    I used Rick's socionics site and this helped a lot!
    I definitely am not focused on "'external self-expression.' This is a striving to express externally the urges, passions, and desires one experiences internally. EIEs like to continually draw attention to themselves by making unexpected, abrubt statements, using unusual words or intonations, developing a striking outward appearance, and otherwise sticking out of the 'dull crowd'."
    "EIEs are as much or more interested in their image and others' emotional response to them as in the productivity of their work itself. They strive to be stimulating, captivating, and riveting in whatever they do. They have a great need to evoke an emotional response in other people."
    Not me either-I do not care about image, I am all about my product and hard work! I do not need admiration from others, though I do enjoy when a respected teacher or someone in the field gives me credit for doing something well, but I do not do things well because I get recognition, I do it because it is in me to do so!


    One of the members in the forum had suggested EIE for a number of different reasons. She thought I was a beta because I put people in their place when they needed to be...umm but I did it for protection and not just because. I am very tolerant with people, but when they cross a line such as being malicious or disrespecting me multiple times, I will not let them to continue to hurt me like that.

    "EIEs reject the idea of basing their lives on "being productive, rational, and useful," choosing instead to do as their passions dictate."
    This is not me either!



    I think that I am Fi-valuing. I do not place high value on outward displays of emotion. They are unnecessary. I like to do it for fun, so they usually do not mean anything to me at all. I mean obviously if I get mad or something and I am in the company of my dad, mom, or sister, I will express anger and stuff, but when I am having a good time, I do not need to express an emotion.

    "This focus on self-expression stimulates others around them to also be more expressive and focused on what they are feeling. The EIE usually leads in this process, having the richest arsenal of feelings and means of expressing them."
    No, I really do focus on trying to be more rational. I mean, I hate it when others are emotionless and when I mean emotionless, I mean lacking the concern and care for others in a deep way. But when I am dealing with a communication problem or sorting out problems within groups of people and such, I try to be logical, fair, and level headed (even tempered) so we can fix the problems and not offend anyone.

    Are you Si-valuing or Se-valuing?
    I think that I am Si-valuing. I enjoy the little pleasures in life like the way a massage makes my body feel, the way music gets me going (I am very picky with music), the way stretching makes me feel-these things calm me down and take my mind off of everything else that I am thinking about.

    I cannot seem to find my dual anywhere (SLI), so I find that things like these make me feel the way my dual would. I must admit, I do enjoy a little bit of marijuana, too when I am not in school (like now) because it gets me in such a relaxed state of mind and body. I do not get so worried when I am in big groups of people or anything.
    I really think that I am IEE! I was so worried!




    Delta Delta Delta! I know this for sure! I enjoy small groups and tend to be more one-on-one. The biggest groups that I like are no more than 6 and if I do not know certain members in the group, I am still a little awkward, though I do try to mingle and carry on-it is very forced, but done in a nice way because I do not want them to feel that they are not liked.
    When I am in a setting with good music and if I know say 1 person extremely well (my sister-she eases me a bit, not her type, but her personally), 1 person well (and I feel comfortable with her), 1 person fairly well (and I feel comfortable with her, too), and then there are 2 people that I don't really know, but don't find threatening or mean, than I am fine...It is still awkward, but music makes me happy and eases me SO MUCH.
    My ideal gathering would be relaxed in my own home with close friends, good music, maybe a little bit of alcohol to mellow everyone out (never trashed! NEVER NEVER NEVER. it ruins the good feeling), a good movie, and some good laughs, oh oh and maybe some food if anyone gets hungry :]

    I am elderly, hands down! I am so much more comfortable with older people than I am my own age! hahaha I am SO uncomfortable around people my own age. I definitely have to warm up to them. I feel very old and I always have and this made it hard fitting in at school. I just did not understand why people my age acted the way they acted, and I still don't a lot of the time! haha I have been told by a yoga instructor that I am an old soul who has been reincarnated several times before, I was told by my child psych professor that I am wise, and I was always told that I was way mature for my age. (The only reason why I am telling you this last part is that I don't just think that I have an elderly mindset, but that others see it, too! )

    Intellectual conversations!!!!!!! oh oh and fixing the problems of the world and seeing the problems of the world. Yes yes yes!!!! that is so me! It is very hard for me to talk about nothing!

    Oh oh and I LOVE peace and quiet! I always wish that I lived amongst the trees in a forest and not in a suburb...I mean, don't get me wrong, I am still fun!! I would enjoy going to a big city sometimes and site seeing, going to galleries, going to small shows, umm walking around the city amidst the bustling people, BUT in my everyday life, I do enjoy peace and quiet. I hate the cars rushing by, and no plant life anywhere...no beauty! I like the time of day when nobody is really out and I can be in my own thoughts!

    Dry intellectual discussions are awesome! Me and a former friend-like literally our whole relationship was all about that...until it became something more and then we had some fun, too...hahaha what I am getting at, is that I do enjoy intellectual discussions, but I also enjoy breaking it up with some silliness and some fun and teasing and such. I like variety, but over all, I am serious minded (but if I read and do a lot more of serious thinking on my own and then discussed what I have learned with someone who is close to me, then my conversations with others tends to be more light hearted).

    Thank you thank you thank you! I was so worried that I was not an IEE, but I really feel that I am!

    I am worried as to why I was thought to be EIE, but maybe it was because I stated that I was IEE with too much confidence or something?


    ROFL bobbybeam you are so me! Even down to the way you phrase things with the "oh's"

    btw, putting someone in their place when necessary is not an exclusively beta quality. I think motive behind that may be type related, as well as how you do it. People should not forget we have Se-role, so when our patience has been tried enough, and irritation reaches a certain threshold, Se will kick in.

    I have typed an acquaintance (a former co-worker) as EIE, and she definitely "puts people in their place" so to speak. But she does so more readily than I would, and more to make herself look good than to benefit others. The way she does so also serves this motive more, in that she will do it in public when certain important people are around, VERY dramatically, and she will NOT miss an opportunity to do so. It's quite different from the occasional IEE-style "putting someone in their place". Certainly not limited to EIE or IEE by any stretch. Each type just does it differently, for different reasons, and in different ways.



    p.s I too can't seem to find any SLI's except the ones on here and the one I ended up working with by chance. I think i've spotted a few "in the wild" but they were either not available, way older, celebrities, or just in passing never to be seen again. :frown:
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    I am elderly, hands down!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Are you more beta or more delta? Do you prefer one-on-one interactions or big group interactions where people are laughing loudly? Do you have a more teenager mindset (e.g. rebelliousness) or elderly person mindset (e.g. likes peace and quiet, making do with the current order, dry intellectual discussions)?
    This is not the actual difference between Fi and Fe... fyi. Also I'm sure most people like peace and quiet and love and dry intellectual discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbybeam View Post
    It seems to me that whenever I am on here I am begging for help, but I need to know, I am desperate!
    I always thought that I was an IEE and now I am being questioned for being an EIE.
    I am worried! If I am not an IEE, my whole world will be warped! I need reassurance and help!

    Can any of you ask me questions or give me websites or anything to help me out?

    Any help will be greatly appreciated
    Nonsense. You are ENFp or I'm not ISTp. You ooze ENFp. You wear it like a badge of honor. I see it in every vowel, every consonant you write. Of all the IEEs I've ever met, I know of none more IEE than you. I-E-E. You have every quirk, every insight, every trait of the IEE. You are not a "textbook" IEE of course, which proves that you are an IEE. Because no IEE fits a standard mold. IEEs do not like standards or mold. You don't like mold do you? See. You are IEE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post
    Nonsense. You are ENFp or I'm not ISTp. You ooze ENFp. You wear it like a badge of honor. I see it in every vowel, every consonant you write. Of all the IEEs I've ever met, I know of none more IEE than you. I-E-E. You have every quirk, every insight, every trait of the IEE. You are not a "textbook" IEE of course, which proves that you are an IEE. Because no IEE fits a standard mold. IEEs do not like standards or mold. You don't like mold do you? See. You are IEE.


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    Sorry for the REEAAALLLY delayed post, but I was SUPER worried about my type and had to get away...or run away for a little while from this forum
    SO SORRY!
    but after reading your posts, i feel so much better now!
    thank you thank you thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post
    Nonsense. You are ENFp or I'm not ISTp. You ooze ENFp. You wear it like a badge of honor. I see it in every vowel, every consonant you write. Of all the IEEs I've ever met, I know of none more IEE than you. I-E-E. You have every quirk, every insight, every trait of the IEE. You are not a "textbook" IEE of course, which proves that you are an IEE. Because no IEE fits a standard mold. IEEs do not like standards or mold. You don't like mold do you? See. You are IEE.
    *fewf! thank goodness! i was SO SO SO SO worried!
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    ROFL bobbybeam you are so me! Even down to the way you phrase things with the "oh's"

    btw, putting someone in their place when necessary is not an exclusively beta quality. I think motive behind that may be type related, as well as how you do it. People should not forget we have Se-role, so when our patience has been tried enough, and irritation reaches a certain threshold, Se will kick in.

    I have typed an acquaintance (a former co-worker) as EIE, and she definitely "puts people in their place" so to speak. But she does so more readily than I would, and more to make herself look good than to benefit others. The way she does so also serves this motive more, in that she will do it in public when certain important people are around, VERY dramatically, and she will NOT miss an opportunity to do so. It's quite different from the occasional IEE-style "putting someone in their place". Certainly not limited to EIE or IEE by any stretch. Each type just does it differently, for different reasons, and in different ways.

    p.s I too can't seem to find any SLI's except the ones on here and the one I ended up working with by chance. I think i've spotted a few "in the wild" but they were either not available, way older, celebrities, or just in passing never to be seen again. :frown:
    yes! okay, good! i do NOT do intentionally do it in front of certain people or dramatically at all and I even feel really uncomfortable when I do it (my heart races really fast and my adrenaline kicks in and I am usually slightly shaking afterwards haha), but when I am pushed and somebody is mean I HAVE to stand up against them so they will leave me alone!

    hahahaha yes, i know! what do they look like anyway? I have met 2, but I am still unsure of both because sometimes it is really smooth and happy and then other times it is awkward...VERY awkward!
    I think it is because I am not "being myself" at least when I am gushing with energy and just saying the first thing that comes to mind because I am nervous...but *sigh

    P.S. thank you SO MUCH for making me feel better! you are very nice :]

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    I also agree with IEE. IEE's can be quite emotionally expressive and you certainly come across that way in your posts. But unlike EIEs who have in the base position, IEEs have in the 8th or demonstrative position. This means that they don't value like an EIE but its still a strong function, almost as strong as base.
    thank you! this is VERY good to know!
    so Fe is part of my character?
    so my dual would like this quality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    Considering that you have that "Na'vi" avatar, I hardly doubt that you're a Delta NF.
    this is one of my favorite movies! i wish that i could live how the Na'vi people lived!
    ENFp. yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbybeam View Post
    thank you! this is VERY good to know!
    so Fe is part of my character?
    so my dual would like this quality?

    I liked your whole post but i specifically wanted to comment on the bolded question because I had a bit of a "eureka" moment about that in my reading recently.

    So what i gathered is that the key difference between IEEs and EIEs in what makes us likeable to the SLI vs EIE being their conflictor is that IEEs filter our true emotions to a large extent (or try really hard to), as required to support Fi purposes, whereas EIEs just express whatever they are feeling inside, no filters involved without regard to Fi goals. With EIE's what you see is exactly what's going on inside, and what's going on inside is what you see. And i guess that is much too much Fe for our SLIs, and too little regard for Fi.

    In other words, it's not that SLIs dont like Fe. In fact, I think EIE's Fe is what initially attracts SLIs to EIEs (in fact i think the one I know is currently dating an EIE I'm waiting patiently to see how long it will last). But I think what SLIs are ultimately looking for is Fe directed towards an Fi purpose, and overall more low-key Fe.

    As always, SLIs (or anyone else) correct me if i'm wrong! This is my understanding...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbybeam View Post

    hahahaha yes, i know! what do they look like anyway? I have met 2, but I am still unsure of both because sometimes it is really smooth and happy and then other times it is awkward...VERY awkward!
    I think it is because I am not "being myself" at least when I am gushing with energy and just saying the first thing that comes to mind because I am nervous...but *sigh
    Oh, and well i'm not sure what THE sli look is, but what i've gathered from my duality experience and knowledge of socionics is, SLIs have a superb command of their bodies. That shows in their walk and how they hold themselves--grounded, agile, excellent posture, no clumsy moves whatsoever, even in an environment where clumsy moves might be expected. Like even if someone tried to trip them, they wont be clumsy.

    Then the other major thing (and i'm not sure if this is across the board or not) is the "stone-face". Like, not an austere stoneface, but a calm, controlled stoneface. Sometimes they will have a furrow in the brow, but it's more like the lone cowboy sort of thing . So, this stoneface will present itself in conditions where you or someone else says something merry, or sad, or complaining. It might be accompanied by an attempt at relating to whatever it is you're happy, sad, or complaining about, but in a monotone and with perhaps a poorly chosen word. But he has an ability to smile, grin, laugh (it's not that he doesn't), except he does it in the least expected situations, or if he is tired, or tipsy. This is Fe-POLR and a bit of Fi-HA.

    And last but certainly not least, is the SLI's use of their eyes. In SLI's case in particular, I feel, the eyes are truly the window to their soul and the way you can catch a glimpse of their emotions when they are stone-faced. Their eyes are also their tool for trying to convey their feelings, e.g. if they feel attracted in the Fi-sense (not just the Si-sense), they stare (in a loving way, not the piercing SLE way), and enjoy being stared at. I read somewhere that an SLI, attracted to a girl, will keep mum about it, but just walk by her and give her an intense stare. I read that in a few places actually and i experienced it myself, BIG time.

    And again, SLIs confirm or deny! Because i'm not sure about any of this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbybeam View Post
    It seems to me that whenever I am on here I am begging for help, but I need to know, I am desperate!
    I always thought that I was an IEE and now I am being questioned for being an EIE.
    I am worried! If I am not an IEE, my whole world will be warped! I need reassurance and help!

    Can any of you ask me questions or give me websites or anything to help me out?

    Any help will be greatly appreciated
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    I also agree with IEE. IEE's can be quite emotionally expressive and you certainly come across that way in your posts. But unlike EIEs who have in the base position, IEEs have in the 8th or demonstrative position. This means that they don't value like an EIE but its still a strong function, almost as strong as base.
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