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    I know there's already been a thread on this, but I wanted to make a new one anyway. I had a conversation with Aiss, watched the movies, and am reading the books for the fourth time.

    Bilbo: SEI-Si (There seems to be no dispute.)
    Aragorn: EIE (There seems to be no dispute.)
    Arwen: LSI (There's no evidence against it, and she might as well be Aragorn's dual.)
    Pippin: SEI-Fe (Alpha irrational, not very logical.)
    Merry: ILE (Probably alpha, gets along great with Pippin but seems a little more logical.)
    Eowyn: ESTx (Obviously an aristocratic, determined type. I would call her an SLE since they like to fight, but I identify with her. Brilliand said since they're characters she could have an "x".)
    Faramir: INFx (I always liked Faramir. He's a softspoken ethical type. He dualizes with Eowyn in the houses of healing.)
    Boromir: ESTx (Brilliand typed him as ESTx to be Faramir's dual since the brothers got along well. I would have typed him as SLE since I never liked him, but I have yet to meet anyone who did like him.)
    Sam: ESE-Si (Definitely a caregiver type, very likely ethical. Ej seems more likely than Ip because of his determination.)
    Frodo: IEI (Frodo and Sam have an obvious victim-caregiver supervisory relationship.)

    Gandalf was typed LII-Ne in the last thread, but Aiss thinks he's Gamma. Any thoughts on this?

    Gimli and Legolas are hard to type. Brilliand said elves are stereotypically Delta and dwarves are stereotypically Gamma. I thought a beneficiary relationship would make sense. Any thoughts on this?

    I haven't tried typing Denethor, Elrond, Eomer, Saruman, Theoden, Wormtongue, Treebeard, or the Mordorians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I know there's already been a thread on this, but I wanted to make a new one anyway. I had a conversation with Aiss, watched the movies, and am reading the books for the fourth time.

    Bilbo: SEI-Si (There seems to be no dispute.)
    Aragorn: EIE (There seems to be no dispute.)
    Arwen: LSI (There's no evidence against it, and she might as well be Aragorn's dual.)
    Pippin: SEI-Fe (Alpha irrational, not very logical.)
    Merry: ILE (Probably alpha, gets along great with Pippin but seems a little more logical.)
    Eowyn: ESTx (Obviously an aristocratic, determined type. I would call her an SLE since they like to fight, but I identify with her. Brilliand said since they're characters she could have an "x".)
    Faramir: INFx (I always liked Faramir. He's a softspoken ethical type. He dualizes with Eowyn in the houses of healing.)
    Boromir: ESTx (Brilliand typed him as ESTx to be Faramir's dual since the brothers got along well. I would have typed him as SLE since I never liked him, but I have yet to meet anyone who did like him.)
    Sam: ESE-Si (Definitely a caregiver type, very likely ethical. Ej seems more likely than Ip because of his determination.)
    Frodo: IEI (Frodo and Sam have an obvious victim-caregiver supervisory relationship.)

    Gandalf was typed LII-Ne in the last thread, but Aiss thinks he's Gamma. Any thoughts on this?

    Gimli and Legolas are hard to type. Brilliand said elves are stereotypically Delta and dwarves are stereotypically Gamma. I thought a beneficiary relationship would make sense. Any thoughts on this?

    I haven't tried typing Denethor, Elrond, Eomer, Saruman, Theoden, Wormtongue, Treebeard, or the Mordorians.
    really? interesting. what is the reasoning behind this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
    really? interesting. what is the reasoning behind this.
    IIRC, someone else on this forum made the statement about elves and Abbie made the statement about dwarves, and I was not averse to either one.

    I favor LII for Gandalf, and I keep wanting to type the elves as Merry because they're green and I associate that color with , but I do think that the conservatism and massive lifespans of the elves tends more toward Delta. The dwarves seem most strongly associated with industry (diligence), which is mainly a Gamma theme. While the hobbit community is described as Delta, all of the individual hobbits in LoTR seem Merry - but they are also considered strange by hobbit standards. I think that it makes sense to consider them Alphas arising from a basically Delta society (in keeping with the cycle of quadras).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I know there's already been a thread on this, but I wanted to make a new one anyway. I had a conversation with Aiss, watched the movies, and am reading the books for the fourth time.

    Bilbo: SEI-Si (There seems to be no dispute.)
    Aragorn: EIE (There seems to be no dispute.)
    Arwen: LSI (There's no evidence against it, and she might as well be Aragorn's dual.)
    Pippin: SEI-Fe (Alpha irrational, not very logical.)
    Merry: ILE (Probably alpha, gets along great with Pippin but seems a little more logical.)
    Eowyn: ESTx (Obviously an aristocratic, determined type. I would call her an SLE since they like to fight, but I identify with her. Brilliand said since they're characters she could have an "x".)
    Faramir: INFx (I always liked Faramir. He's a softspoken ethical type. He dualizes with Eowyn in the houses of healing.)
    Boromir: ESTx (Brilliand typed him as ESTx to be Faramir's dual since the brothers got along well. I would have typed him as SLE since I never liked him, but I have yet to meet anyone who did like him.)
    Sam: ESE-Si (Definitely a caregiver type, very likely ethical. Ej seems more likely than Ip because of his determination.)
    Frodo: IEI (Frodo and Sam have an obvious victim-caregiver supervisory relationship.)

    Gandalf was typed LII-Ne in the last thread, but Aiss thinks he's Gamma. Any thoughts on this?

    Gimli and Legolas are hard to type. Brilliand said elves are stereotypically Delta and dwarves are stereotypically Gamma. I thought a beneficiary relationship would make sense. Any thoughts on this?

    I haven't tried typing Denethor, Elrond, Eomer, Saruman, Theoden, Wormtongue, Treebeard, or the Mordorians.
    No SLI on the cast? Gollum perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post
    No SLI on the cast? Gollum perhaps?
    LOL no way! he's like the roller coaster of emotions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    LOL no way! he's like the roller coaster of emotions!
    Lol; yup. If you want an SLI, Eomer seems plausible.

    Gollum has a split personality; he gets two types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Gollum has a split personality; he gets two types.
    Gollum: ENTj
    Smeagol: ISFp
    two conflicting personalities in one body, maybe...
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    Frodo: ESI
    Bilbo: SLE
    Sam: EII
    Merry: ESE
    Pippin: ESE
    Aragorn: ESI
    Gimli: SEE
    Boromir: SLE
    Faramir: EII
    Theoden: LIE
    Eowyn: EII
    Grima: creepy-ass IEI
    Arwen: EII
    Elrond: LIE
    Galadriel: SEE
    Haldir: SLI
    Melkor: SLE
    Treebeard: Badass SEI
    Smeagol: SEI
    Gollum: Smeagol's crazy-ass ESI extinguishment.
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    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Gandalf.
    No; he's an intuitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    I'm pretty sure Gandalf is EII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    I'm pretty sure Gandalf is EII.
    Why EII and not LII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    He doesn't seem Fe/Ti valuing in that I don't really see him that open to others in the Fe sense of reaching out and making invitation, nor does he remind me of a Ti dominant, who would seem ethically distant with others. Definitely more relational valuing to me, and seems very personal, in touch with his feelings and others', an NF guardian figure--looks out for people, more kind and ethically mannered, not the LII kind of polite which tends to be more distanced and mechanical (not that they are, but their Fi-related ethics are). IJ-Fi. Pretty much reminds me of how Fi-EIIs come across in their thoughtful and busy role, and I think Frodo is Delta too.
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    I can't see gandalf as an Ij type. He's likely ILI-Ni IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGDoomer View Post
    I can't see gandalf as an Ij type. He's likely ILI-Ni IMO.
    Good guess. He seems to be right at home with this SEE:


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    Frodo: EII
    Sam:ISFx
    Gandalf: IEI or ILI
    Aragorn:LSI
    Merry:ILE
    Pippin:IEE-Fi
    Boromir:SxE-Se
    Legolas:ESI-Se
    Gimli:SEE-Se
    Galadriel:IEI-Ni
    Elrond:ILI
    Arwen:ESI
    Gollum:crazy ESI-Se
    Theoden:SLI-Te
    Eowyn:ESI
    Faramir:ESI
    Saruman:ILI-Te
    Sauron:LIE-Te or ILI-Te

    Not sure about Eomer, Grima, Denethor, Bilbo, Treebeard
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocobojohnx7 View Post
    Frodo: EII/ESI?
    Sam:SEI-xx
    Gandalf: IEI or ILI?
    Aragorn:LSI-xx
    Merry:ILE?
    Pippin:IEE-Fi?
    Boromir:SLE/LSE?
    Legolas:LSI/ESI?
    Gimli:LSI
    Galadriel:IEI-Ni
    Elrond:ILI
    Arwen:ESI-xx
    Gollum:crazy ESI
    Theoden:LSE-xx
    Eowyn:xSFx
    Faramir:ESI/EII?
    Saruman:ILI-Te
    Sauron:LIE-Te or ILI-Te

    Not sure about Eomer, Grima, Denethor, Bilbo..
    Seems right, I'll put Frodo as Intuitive, likely delta NF. And yes I think all hobbits are Si valuing.
    Gandalf as NT could be. For some reason I think he values Si (maybe because he enjoys hobbits).
    Legolas seem beta introvert.
    I'm not sure about Arween, I'll say INFx.
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    Galadriel is a clear EII-Fi 1w2 so/sp.

    Sauron is ILE-Ne. He was too cunning and manipulative for LIE-Te or ILI and the connections he made between things were too remote and tenuous for LIE cognition -- he was obsessed by the possibility of forging the rings and led astray by his grand plans.

    I don't remember the other characters.

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    Frodo: EII-Fi 1w2
    Sam: SEI-Si 2w1
    Pippin: IEE-Fi 7w6
    Merry: SLI 9w8
    Aragorn: LSE-Si 8w9
    Legolas: ESI-Fi 3w2
    Boromir: SLE-Ti 6w7
    Gimli: SEE-Se 7w8
    Faramir: IEI-Fe 4w5
    Gandalf: ILE-Ti 7w6
    Saruman: ILI-Ni 5w6
    Arwen: ILI-Te 5w4
    Galadriel: ESI-Fi 4w3
    Denethor SLI 1w9
    Eowyn: ESI-Se 6w5
    Elrond: LSI-Ti 1w2
    Gollum: EII-Ne 1w2, like to think of him as the dark side of frodo
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