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    Default Maritsa's type, again, to get it out of Minde's type thread

    Maritsa keeps talking about her type in Minde's thread. Maybe that discussion would be better here.

    I think she has Ti as a dual seeking function. She has this weird VI system, and she was just talking to me about some other system, and we had this whole conversation about her asking over and over again what system it would take for her to show me she's EII, which I found ironic.

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    Ti as a role (3rd) function (ESI and EII)
    The individual is able to talk about things from a dispassionate academic or theoretical point of view for brief periods of time, but seems overly bookish when doing so and tends to grows tense. When feeling obliged to justify logically a personal decision taken for reasons determined by , the individual attempts to do so but grows quickly annoyed especially if the inconsistency in the logical argument is pointed out. He then either explains the ethical motivation or avoids the issue altogether. -ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ABOVE IT SAYS ABLE TO NOT UNABLE TO; YOU ARE SO FUCKING DENSE. DO YOU HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE I WONDER?

    OF COURSE I HAVE TI; IT'S IN MY 3RD SPOT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Ti as a role (3rd) function (ESI and EII)
    The individual is able to talk about things from a dispassionate academic or theoretical point of view for brief periods of time, but seems overly bookish when doing so and tends to grows tense. When feeling obliged to justify logically a personal decision taken for reasons determined by , the individual attempts to do so but grows quickly annoyed especially if the inconsistency in the logical argument is pointed out. He then either explains the ethical motivation or avoids the issue altogether. -ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ABOVE IT SAYS ABLE TO NOT UNABLE TO YOU ARE SO FUCKING DENSE. DO YOU HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE I WONDER?
    LOL.

    Uhm, see you read these type descriptions and think it says basically that you want Ti. No, EIIs don't want Ti. That's a good example of why you shouldn't type off descriptions, as the descriptions can be misread and misunderstood easily, and also how they can be misused by picking bits of them here and there, as you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    IT SAYS WE HAVE IT AND WANT IT

    WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN WE DON'T WANT IT ARE YOU MISSING SOME SCREWS LADY?
    If you think it says you have and want Ti, then you are misunderstanding it. EIIs do not have or want Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    YOU SHOULD TRY FUCKING READING

    READ
    READ
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    ROFL. No, you never tell people what to do. Why can't you understand that I read it and don't agree that it says what you think it says. You are interpreting that to mean that you want Ti. If you are EII, you can't want Ti. Or have strong Ti. If you want Ti, you are not EII. Period. No type description can undo that, or make it so that your desire for Ti can work with your desire to be EII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    IT'S NOT YOUR CHOICE WHAT IT SAYS AND IF YOU SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT AGREE WITH IT. PERIOD. IT'S MY CHOICE AND THAT'S WHAT I AM.
    At this point I'm mainly just respondign to quote you.

    But I'm not choosing what it says. I'm saying it doesn't say what you seem to think it says. It does not explain your desire for Ti systems, or your bad attempts to create them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    The individual is able to talk about things from a dispassionate academic or theoretical point of view for brief periods of time, but seems overly bookish when doing so and tends to grows tense.

    Talking about academic things or theoretical things does not mean begging for Ti from people, or trying to create Ti systems. This does not talk about what you do. Actually, this talks more about what Minde does. But that belongs in her thread.

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    Also, you get way beyond "tense" and into some weird fury of emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariella View Post
    Also, you get way beyond "tense" and into some weird fury of emotion.
    DID YOU EVER GO TO SCHOOL?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariella View Post
    Talking about academic things or theoretical things does not mean begging for Ti from people, or trying to create Ti systems. This does not talk about what you do. Actually, this talks more about what Minde does. But that belongs in her thread.

    YOU HAVE POOR ANALYTICAL SKILLS I'VE NOTICED.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    YOU HAVE POOR ANALYTICAL SKILLS I'VE NOTICED.
    LOL again. I don't have the Ti you so desire, if that's what you mean by analytical skills.

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    I don't think it's good practice to associate someone's immaturity or poor behaviors necessarily with socionics type.

    I don't think Maritsa's actions are "totally out of the realm of EII". I think Maritsa is an unhealthy EII who has become somewhat obsessive. I don't see all the ad hominem attacks or blatant bending of the truth as something that is Ti>Fi or anything like that, it's what a lot of people do when they are desperate and/or have been rewarded for acting such ways in the past.

    Her very clear desire to discredit other delta NF also strikes me as some issues about relationship and perhaps also "competition" from other delta NFs.


    I don't see anything that makes me feel she definitely cannot be EII, but I definitely wouldn't like to hold her up as a tremendous representative for my dual or EII in general.

    I suppose I could see her as LII, in the sense that she simply expects her input to be accepted, and is much more concerned about her own thoughts and her own system of thoughts, rather than checking external reality or other things for confirmation. I can easily see her as infantile, and don't see her as an aggressor type.

    As far as EIE... maybe. I don't see Maritsa as having their social grace, or really appreciating someone who would simply set her straight in the way an LSI would. On the other hand, perhaps. I don't see her as an S type at all. I don't see her as having Se within her - being angry or cursing isn't Se.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    I don't think it's good practice to associate someone's immaturity or poor behaviors necessarily with socionics type.

    Well thanks for assuming that's what we (I?) have been doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    Well thanks for assuming that's what we (I?) have been doing.
    If that's what I thought you were doing, I would have specifically said so. That sentence was a general statement, not a 'judgment' or 'assumption' passed on this thread.

    It's the opening part to my post which argues that, even though I see a lot of 'personal things' I don't like about Maritsa, I don't necessarily see things that socionically make me believe she's another type.
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    The only thing I see that makes me think she isn't EII is Ti valuing. There are crazy and immature people of all types. There are not Ti valuing people of all types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    If that's what I thought you were doing, I would have specifically said so. That sentence was a general statement, not a 'judgment' or 'assumption' passed on this thread.

    It's the opening part to my post which argues that, even though I see a lot of 'personal things' I don't like about Maritsa, I don't necessarily see things that socionically make me believe she's another type.
    Ok, fair enough. Perhaps the assumptions were on my part... I tend to sometimes misinterpret people who talk like that, 'thinking out loud' without making a specific point or directly referring to something.
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    maritsa is enfj, it all fits to me now.

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    Lmao this whole thread

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    Oh this thread lol
    Mind is still SEI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Oh this thread lol
    Minde is still SEI
    It's an awful thread. I don't know any good reason to revive it. But I do honestly think Minde is the EII she thinks she is. She is not SEI. I think you and Minde are EII, and probably different subtypes. @Minde I think is Fi (perhaps she may think otherwise), and you may be Ne**, although the corpulent figure, obviously is not you! Other than that ONE thing not fitting you from the Ne description*, the other parts of the Ne description do seem a very good fit for you. I am thinking from this subtype description: https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/...INFj/subtypes/ . I have two longtime EII friends - one of each! If you read those two subtype descriptions, they are so different you might even think they were two different types.

    I think sometimes if you are looking at someone as being just like you because they are your type, that is being too narrow, because obviously there are more than 16 or 32 types in the world... Or, Minde might be a completely different astrological star sign than you, one you do not relate well to, and because you don't relate well you think you are not the same Sociotype. Could be that.

    *I know another very trim EII-Ne, and she was born with a "twisted-stomach", and ate little growing up, and seems to eat plenty now, but she has never had excess fat; she is noticeably fat-free. So not not all EII-Nes are corpulent, maybe only in the right conditions. I do know one very attractive EII-Ne with plenty of padding on her lushly hourglass figure though.

    * I am thinking that the Ne subtype might be you especially because of this overall description: "emotional, composed, and firm". Yes. And, ". Sensitive, vulnerable, uncertain and erratic. Prone to taking offense despite his best attempts to hide this.... Tries not to say unpleasant things to people, but cannot always restrain himself and may burst out in disagreement or indignation." Warning: don't become corpulent, or your gait might become "a bit clumsy and waddling"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    It's an awful thread. I don't know any good reason to revive it. But I do honestly think Minde is the EII she thinks she is. She is not SEI. I think you and Minde are EII, and probably different subtypes. @Minde I think is Fi (perhaps she may think otherwise), and you may be Ne**, although the corpulent figure, obviously is not you! Other than that ONE thing not fitting you from the Ne description*, the other parts of the Ne description do seem a very good fit for you. I am thinking from this subtype description: https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/...INFj/subtypes/ . I have two longtime EII friends - one of each! If you read those two subtype descriptions, they are so different you might even think they were two different types.

    I think sometimes if you are looking at someone as being just like you because they are your type, that is being too narrow, because obviously there are more than 16 or 32 types in the world... Or, Minde might be a completely different astrological star sign than you, one you do not relate well to, and because you don't relate well you think you are not the same Sociotype. Could be that.

    *I know another very trim EII-Ne, and she was born with a "twisted-stomach", and ate little growing up, and seems to eat plenty now, but she has never had excess fat; she is noticeably fat-free. So not not all EII-Nes are corpulent, maybe only in the right conditions. I do know one very attractive EII-Ne with plenty of padding on her lushly hourglass figure though.

    * I am thinking that the Ne subtype might be you especially because of this overall description: "emotional, composed, and firm". Yes. And, ". Sensitive, vulnerable, uncertain and erratic. Prone to taking offense despite his best attempts to hide this.... Tries not to say unpleasant things to people, but cannot always restrain himself and may burst out in disagreement or indignation." Warning: don't become corpulent, or your gait might become "a bit clumsy and waddling"!
    Sorry but she's SEI; she is certainly a merry type and she prefers Ne over Te in that in any environment she would rather not have the rigidity of Te but the flexibility of Ne
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Sorry but she's SEI; she is certainly a merry type and she prefers Ne over Te in that in any environment she would rather not have the rigidity of Te but the flexibility of Ne
    I am not seeing merry, so in what way do you see merry? Positivist, perhaps, and you EII's are positivists...

    Hmm, you are saying she prefers Ne over Te... But there should be a preference for Ne and an interest in Te for an EII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    I am not seeing merry, so in what way do you see merry? Positivist, perhaps, and you EII's are positivists...

    Hmm, you are saying she prefers Ne over Te... But there should be a preference for Ne and an interest in Te for an EII.
    I have considered her type extensively in the past and it's not going to change; it is SEI and that's final. As a J type I don't like rehashing things I've thought about well and have closed the case on. I believe that I am great if not one of the best at typing people and I don't want to sit there and have to explain the details of SEI vas EII. I have already. SEI have way more sudden "cry fit" like emotionality than EII.

    And, subtypes don't exist. There's one EII.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    This thread just blew my mind. I read it like watching a car wreck I couldn’t look away from. Illuminating, to say the least...

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