Mindes type

[Beautiful sky]

Ugh, I'd feel VERY ashamed to be you Maritsa. How can you speak so negatively about someone you've never met and know absolutely nothing about. Seriously, you know NOTHING about her, in any way, shape, or form. It's time for your obsession with Minde to end before it gets out of control more than it has already... If you seriously have any, much less all... of Minde's posts printed out, do you not think it's time to just back away from the situation? What, just because she wouldn't send you a photo so you could VI her a long time ago? Really, it's getting to a point where she'll soon have to be worried about her well being knowing that you are carrying on the way you are. It's quite sick if you ask me.

She has you on ignore, something I know she's never done to anyone in her YEARS on this forum. Whatever you have going on in your head with her really needs to stop, let it go, get over it... I'd hate to see where shit like your creepy obsession with her could end up if not dealt with any time soon.

As I've known Minde in real life for a few years now, you've got some image in your head that is not only the complete opposite of everything about her... but you try to pass your view of her to everyone on this forum in every post you make. I can't even comprehend how she could have ever wronged you enough to turn you so against her as much as you are? For what? allegedly being the same type? Seriously... get passed it, please. Find someone else and fuck with their life... perhaps someone closer to you, and maybe even in real life... so if you treat them the way you've treated her, they could do something about it, even if it's only a good slap in the face or hit you with a shovel.

I guess it's ok with you if she copies you and passes off for you, but I don't like that behavior.

I should feel so honored that she is getting more and more exactly like me and not she started off exactly like me.

[cracka]

I guess it's ok with you if she copies you and passes off for you, but I don't like that behavior.

She had absolutely nothing to do with me making my post, I made it, with no input from her at all. It doesn't matter what behavior you don't like, I just pointed out that the behavior that YOU are taking part in, is not healthy, totally mean, obsessive, and just plain rediculous. with that said, the best course of action that I suggest would be to "let it go, get over it."

[Beautiful sky]

She had absolutely nothing to do with me making my post, I made it, with no input from her at all. It doesn't matter what behavior you don't like, I just pointed out that the behavior that YOU are taking part in, is not healthy, totally mean, obsessive, and just plain rediculous. with that said, the best course of action that I suggest would be to "let it go, get over it."

Tell her to stop copying my words...it's upsetting to me.

[cracka]

I should feel so honored that she is getting more and more exactly like me and not she started off exactly like me.

There is nothing about her that would want to be anything like you, don't inflate your ego that much. I assure you, the world would be a better place with less people like you and more like her.

Tell her to stop copying my words...it's upsetting to me.

She has you on ignore and can't even read your words...lol. So ummmm... yeah.

[Beautiful sky]

There is nothing about her that would want to be anything like you, don't inflate your ego that much. I assure you, the world would be a better place with less people like you and more like her.

I observe the patterns...it's the Ne in me; I can see the transformations and even feel the emotions in the written language.

[Beautiful sky]

There is nothing about her that would want to be anything like you, don't inflate your ego that much. I assure you, the world would be a better place with less people like you and more like her.

Oh well, the only thing left to do is to move forward. So, they said, the truth will uncover itself, so why try? Right?

I'm going to leave my ideals of this situation behind, it's the executioner's block...

So, I've made a decision...I'm not going to pursue this point any more.

[cracka]

Oh well, the only thing left to do is to move forward.

If that means you'll "let it go" regarding Minde... then I can speak for many folks here when I say, that would be much appreciated.

[cracka]

Really, I don't care about your typing of her, just your obsession with her. A search for the word "minde" and your username comes up with 250+ posts. Seriously, whether or not she's an EII to you isn't my concern... and really, there's nobody on the forum who EVERYONE considers one cetain type without question... that would be a rediculous thing to ask due to the nature of socionics and how differently people of different types understand it.

Why not let other people fiddle around with Minde's type (or better yet, let her go on with her self typing), instead of giving every reason YOU can think of why she doesn't "fit the mold" of the typical EII, in your mind. Does it really need to be your mission in life to type her correctly? No, I'd hope not... for your sake and hers.


Even after you've said you'll leave it alone you still went back and edited your post... I'm sure I'll look back and laugh at this thread at some point, but I hope you prove my intuition wrong.

[twitch]

Kind of like her and your morbid fascination wiht horror things.

People observe these behaviors in you and Minde you know...doesn't that make you guys feel a little ashamed of lying and living up to things you're not?

:grr: Maritsa, FYI, you're being a bitch to people yet again, thought i'd just inform you.. im not sure if you're actually aware

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Trevor]

Come on people, what has gotten into you? Minde is Fi as one can be. And intuitive (anyone saw her on Intuition rampage in Airborne's VI me thread? It was like, wow man, just wow!!!).

[Slacker]

Maritsa, she is not copying your words, and this is sounding a lot like a paranoid delusion. You need to relax and stop making assumptions into people's motivations. You've copied off all of Minde's posts? That scares me from a standpoint of worrying about your mental health. I really think you need to take a break from here. Not because of any negative feelings I might have about you, but because you are having real emotional problems. I'm starting to get really worried about you.

[Slacker]

Pinnochio, you're wrong about that being Fe.

[Krig the Viking]

You. are. an. idiot. indeed!!! Before asking you politely to go shoot yourself for all the stupidities I hear from you,

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Please don't reply me cause I'll ignore your stupidity.

Ad hominen arguments make you look smart and wise, and always help demonstrate the correctness of your positions.

I tell you that SLI and LSE are Si-Ego types as well. You'll never hear such things from them. But you will rather hear from the Beta "OMG! OMG!" NF's, I did. That vocabulary is simply bullshit, including Si insistence on health, which is only half true.

I don't answer the rest, I already warned you that you always confuse Fi with Fe, you can't make the difference!

As usual, you dramatically overstate your case in unnecessarily black-and-white terms. SLI and LSE are not incapable of talking about how they appreciate the beauty of nature, especially if they're female (as women in our culture can talk about such things without the risk of appearing "unmanly"). However, you're right to say that there's a strong ethical component to that sort of description -- you rarely see Alpha NTs, especially LIIs, talking like that either, despite having both Si and Fe in valued functions. But like I said, I'm of the opinion that the ethics expressed by Minde in that post are more closely related to Fi than Fe.

Fi: "I like this sunset."
Fe: "This sunset makes me happy."

Obviously, ethical types have strong ethics of both kinds, and ethical language can be imprecise as to which kind of ethics is being described, but that's the core of it there.

[Aiss]

I agree with Mariella. Many parts pointed out as I totally relate to, especially about nursing, liking/disliking people and how Minde describes that she acts based on it. It is no evidence for .

Fi: "I like this sunset."
Fe: "This sunset makes me happy."

Obviously, ethical types have strong ethics of both kinds, and ethical language can be imprecise as to which kind of ethics is being described, but that's the core of it there.

I rather think wikisocion is accurate when it says-

Also, these [] types convey emotions in terms of how they were affected by something (such as "I did not like that"), rather than an extroverted ethics () approach that would describe the object itself without clear reference to the subject involved (such as "That sucked"). Much of their decisions are based on how they themselves, or others in relation to them personally, feel in contrast to considering how "the big picture" is affected (such as groups of people.)

Minde's descriptions are rather on the subjective side of things, accentuated by a lot of "I love it" and "I like it", underlining this very subjectivity of perception, as well as "I see", "I look at it". The excitement of SEI over aesthetics tend to be in line with "that's amazing!", "isn't it wondeful", "it's just so awesome", "it was gorgeous", etc., followed by a graphic description as well - and I often heard it in reference to nature. With -ego, there tends to be an underlying expectation that these subjective perceptions are shared with others.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[leckysupport]

especially that she stated previously that she doesn't see some people as enemies or something, which is exactly hat's written at Fi-Base.

Fi-base sees people as "enemies"?

I'm going to need a direct quote for that.

[Trevor]

Seeing people as enemies? Fi? Wtf?

That's it. I'm joining labcoat. Your recent efforts to divorce me from him had just failed. Just so you know.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Slacker]

You're dumb and naive. I said "some people" (leckysupport misrepresented me on purpose, if you couldn't figure out that yet) and the link is there, the first one, and I specified that it's only when debating on the same ground - aka using Wikisocionics quotes - it's not necessary my opinion. My opinion is more complex and different than that, but somehow similar.

Now please put aside your prejudice, divorce and join the rebels .

Edit: you've got 23:57 h left.

That doesn't mean they see people as enemies. It means they are able to judge who is on their side or not. You can't just pull a word (like "enemies") out of context and apply it.

[leckysupport]

You're dumb and naive. I said "some people" (leckysupport misrepresented me on purpose, if you couldn't figure out that yet)

Yep, everyone's out to get you.

Anyhow I disagree with the wiki on that one, those descriptions where compiled in the days when Diana was seen as the embodiment of Fi.

[Aiss]

Like/disgust is Fe, whatever you read in "the Bible". On the Wikisocion Fe is associated exclusively with "positive atmosphere" and Si with health.

When I say I think wikisocion is accurate in a particular case, it means it agrees with my view of the matter. Not that it's the Bible or whatever you like to call it, though of course you're free to do so.

Exactly what you quoted yourself relates to it in the way that Fe egos want objectivity. It doesn't mean that their perceptions, likes or dislikes are any less strong, but they are expected to be universal. This is the difference, not the strength of opinion - in fact they might be louder and more opinionated about it specifically because of this. Fe-leading may even go as far as to discuss their tastes to achieve a consensus (!), considering the opinion all the stronger for it being shared. Fi, on the other hand, is aware of its own subjectivity of perception, inclined to agree to disagree about taste, assuming others' perceptions to be equally subjective - they'd rather not form bonds with people they have little in common with, though.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Krig the Viking]

I rather think wikisocion is accurate when it says-

Also, these [] types convey emotions in terms of how they were affected by something (such as "I did not like that"), rather than an extroverted ethics () approach that would describe the object itself without clear reference to the subject involved (such as "That sucked"). Much of their decisions are based on how they themselves, or others in relation to them personally, feel in contrast to considering how "the big picture" is affected (such as groups of people.)

Minde's descriptions are rather on the subjective side of things, accentuated by a lot of "I love it" and "I like it", underlining this very subjectivity of perception, as well as "I see", "I look at it". The excitement of SEI over aesthetics tend to be in line with "that's amazing!", "isn't it wondeful", "it's just so awesome", "it was gorgeous", etc., followed by a graphic description as well - and I often heard it in reference to nature. With -ego, there tends to be an underlying expectation that these subjective perceptions are shared with others.

Ah yes, you're right, that is a more typical way for an Fe-Ego to phrase things. I suppose I'm viewing it from the perspective of Base-Ti, and the desire to analyze and categorize everything ("What emotion is this? It is pleasant... energizing... I believe I am feeling 'happiness'!" ). An Fe-Ego would be more "in the moment", reacting directly to whatever it was that inspired the emotions, as you and Wikisocion describe, rather than stopping to analyze and state which emotion is being felt (although that's not to say that they would be incapable of describing their emotions).

With that in mind, here's an edited version of Minde's description of our beautiful world, as an Alpha SF might phrase it:

Our world can be so beautiful!

This time of year here is so utterly amazing - it's green, not dusty; it's not too cold and getting warmer, but not too warm; and the variety in the weather elements! In one day you can see totally blue skies, clouds, rain, hail, bright sunshine, wind, calm. Every time you look at it, the sky has so many interesting and captivating shapes and colors and textures. Hardly a dull visual moment! Some of the sunsets recently have been absolutely glorious. The best is when the west portion's saturation reflects in the overarching cloud cover, creating a warm golden magical glow over and in everything. It's just so wonderful right after it rains and the sun slants in, setting all asparkle, so clean and bright, gold and green and brown.

The smells and sounds are nice, too, though they're so much more potent and pure when you can just be surrounded by nature.



/verbal raptures

Although it's substantially the same, the difference in tone is quite noticeable.

Also, on the question of "enemies" -- it's Gamma SF that's focused on guarding against enemies, Delta NF is more interested in making friends. Call it "Fi blocked with Se/Fi blocked with Ne" or "minus Fi/plus Fi", but that's one of the biggest differences in how the two Quadras use Fi.

[Creepy-cinq]

I'm absolutely not at all interested in photography, I consider it a bit snobbish.

lol. Yah, there was a time that only a select few understood the principles of photography enough, and afford the equipment to produce great photos. That was enough to afford them the opportunity to boast. Nowadays, anyone with a half decent $100 point and shoot digital has the potential produce good pics. I'd hardly call it snobbish a interest at this point.

[Beautiful sky]

In favor of Minde as INFj, as I think arguments should be fair, we make wonderful artists.