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    So i'm here asking for help; which is somewhat strange for me to experience, but i'm sure there's someone who will be typing me with not that much effort (according to probability). But after being mentally violated with too much MBTI during a long time, i can't remain detached from the process, and i don't like understanding if it is only backed up by my speculations. Also i am somewhat tired of reading type descriptions, because i can hardly see the process; which i really need to understand if i'm to use and develop on this theory.
    So i need approaches to my typing.

    I have tried making my own work on socionics, but i need feedback on those tables to corroborate the direction.

    So you can assume my approach to socionics is somewhat biased by MBTI. which is fine.
    One last thing to say is, i realize describing my life could potentially subject me to expose selected data which could mess/influence with your typing so i'm ready to hear some other more effective methods to surpass this tendency.

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    Where do you live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Where do you live?
    Can't tell how far it could be useful but i'm inclined to say Mexico heh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theta View Post
    Can't tell how far it could be useful but i'm inclined to say Mexico heh
    are you a run away convicted felon?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Dude, if you can't be honest at this point, then what's the use? What is your mother's maiden name?

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    I could type you much more easily in person, but if it's online you should post a long-ish video of yourself acting normally and talking about something you care about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    are you a run away convicted felon?
    I don't think so, i haven't got caught yet (excluding situations where i wanted to heh)

    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Dude, if you can't be honest at this point, then what's the use? What is your mother's maiden name?
    hehe.. Maytorena

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I could type you much more easily in person, but if it's online you should post a long-ish video of yourself acting normally and talking about something you care about.
    I understand how that could be the best way online, because of the evidence, but the whole concept sounds terrible, not too sure about how to "act standardized", it usually involves the purpose of acting and whether the dedication's effort is less then the utility of the benefits.
    I can see me struggling here, but i can do it as an alternate resource if necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    One last thing to say is, i realize describing my life could potentially subject me to expose selected data which could mess/influence with your typing so i'm ready to hear some other more effective methods to surpass this tendency.
    One of the points of any socionic "test question" is to see what kinds of information you notice, value, talk a lot about, etc. so it's not a shortcoming of the method at all. In fact, I don't expect anyone to make a completely objective assessment of what their life goals, lifestyle, unique characteristics etc. are. If you could do that you could type yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    I would say Te, in itself, is more about the most effective actions, common sense, and in having breadth of knowledge more than logical sequence, aside from cause and effect where you can more or less decide how useful a course of action is in producing a desired result.
    ok, i understand this is because Te is dynamic. So it looks for evident consequences, but also tries to measure the efficiency of development?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    Most people here, when we say that you use a function, that means being found in your Ego.
    ...The important thing is that the blocks are not things you can use, all of them, but rather things that you either use, or affect you negatively, or helpful, or ignored.

    Ego: what you have, do and provide
    Super-Ego: what is harmful for you - clashes with your Ego
    Super-Id: what you need but can't provide yourself, helping you to be complete and independent. Eg, if you're a Static person, you can't feel the development of things in time, for example getting prepared, etc. Well I assume your case is the other, you'd be a Dynamic type.
    Id: what can't affect you neither helps, it's something with no value.

    One can handle Id type of info relatively easily usually, but it's very hard to be productive in it, it's unnatural and replaceable, feels ridiculous - hence the inability to cope with a Conflictor.
    Ok, so trusting in wikisocion screwed my perception; thanks for the rectification btw.

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I'm not sure where you got that from...wikisocion? I agree with aixelsyd's definition. Basically you're talking a lot about the usefulness/efficacy of different methods, which indicates in the ego block.
    Yes wikisocion... is there a source which is more reliable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    seriously?
    I don't see that at all.

    You guys are out of your minds...he values Ni...he's also wacky in a lot of the sense of that word...humm..no Fe; if there is then

    ESFp or

    how do you know he didn't put the time on because it looked cool?

    It's just a cool kinda watch; he hasn't spoken anything about who or what he is...

    Just keep writing an autobio for us please or talk about how you enjoy your favorite hobby..

    He/it/she prefers clearity...that's not Te.
    Look at his writing: Fi valuing (it should); why should it?

    No Ti because he's not looking for consistency.
    Hahaha...ok so you don't jump to conclusions (but about my gender, which is accurate btw); just to reduce the spam of options:

    I'm a psychology student, because i have a social investigative tendency.
    I'm good with exact sciences, but in general i excel academically, as long as i appreciate the usefulness of the given knowledge. I only concentrate or act when i can see the benefit. In that way you could say i'm inclined to wait for the opportunities. If I'm not interested i will most probably neglect my interaction.
    I like reading about psychology, philosophy and mysticism. Playing video games, but only those which are based on strategy or tactics. I prefer games that are progressive, where you get to choose Characters/paths rather then linear-history action games. (which usually bore me easily).


    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    One of the points of any socionic "test question" is to see what kinds of information you notice, value, talk a lot about, etc. so it's not a shortcoming of the method at all. In fact, I don't expect anyone to make a completely objective assessment of what their life goals, lifestyle, unique characteristics etc. are. If you could do that you could type yourself.
    heh, well actually the main issue i've been having is related to how predictable the questions and answers are. Specifically the problem is that after reading the possible answers i already estimated what the possible results of those answers are, and since i can hardly forget the answers of previous questions (nor the estimations) the result is a very accurate prediction of what road of choices leads to which personality.
    Apart from the fact that this process is usually very useful, it is somewhat frustrating, not being able to "just answer". Basically the association process is faster then the reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theta View Post

    Hahaha...ok so you don't jump to conclusions (but about my gender, which is accurate btw); just to reduce the spam of options:

    I'm a psychology student, because i have a social investigative tendency.
    I'm good with exact sciences, but in general i excel academically, as long as i appreciate the usefulness of the given knowledge. I only concentrate or act when i can see the benefit. In that way you could say i'm inclined to wait for the opportunities. If I'm not interested i will most probably neglect my interaction.
    I like reading about psychology, philosophy and mysticism. Playing video games, but only those which are based on strategy or tactics. I prefer games that are progressive, where you get to choose Characters/paths rather then linear-history action games. (which usually bore me easily).

    heh, well actually the main issue i've been having is related to how predictable the questions and answers are. Specifically the problem is that after reading the possible answers i already estimated what the possible results of those answers are, and since i can hardly forget the answers of previous questions (nor the estimations) the result is a very accurate prediction of what road of choices leads to which personality.
    Apart from the fact that this process is usually very useful, it is somewhat frustrating, not being able to "just answer". Basically the association process is faster then the reading.
    Wonderful, so I gather that you are a realist, usefulness, practical, reliability, need concrete information in order to trust the source, so that is S already. It also seems like you need data, reliability and trust come hand in hand sometimes; N types go mostly on their own perceptions about something and usually about how the information fits in with them or their concepts so they can trust something with very little data or support information.

    N types are into ideas and are usually oposite of the above.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    Yes. Te is sometimes associated with measuring progress, hence the external dynamics, seeing how the external information and going ons progress and flow, observing what is going on, external indicators of what is happening.
    Seems according to how i reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Wonderful, so I gather that you are a realist, usefulness, practical, reliability, need concrete information in order to trust the source, so that is S already.
    Never judged my ways as realistic rather pragmatic, i like to see how consequences could/are follow(ing) up, so that i'm prepared for what might come; but yes reliable information, meaning that it should make sense; Concrete as in evidential (but not as in contrast to abstract), yes i prefer to create possible scenarios based on the expectation of certain evidence.

    It also seems like you need data, reliability and trust come hand in hand sometimes; N types go mostly on their own perceptions about something and usually about how the information fits in with them or their concepts so they can trust something with very little data or support information.

    N types are into ideas and are usually opposite of the above.
    I get this, seems paradoxical for me to be N if following your descriptions, although i can see how you could have inferred this from my initial posture not to "trust only in my assumptions".
    If this was the case you would need to take into account that it is in my range of possibilities that i'm too obstinate and trusting in my ability to "pre-understand".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theta View Post
    Seems according to how i reason.



    Never judged my ways as realistic rather pragmatic, i like to see how consequences could/are follow(ing) up, so that i'm prepared for what might come; but yes reliable information, meaning that it should make sense; Concrete as in evidential (but not as in contrast to abstract), yes i prefer to create possible scenarios based on the expectation of certain evidence.



    I get this, seems paradoxical for me to be N if following your descriptions, although i can see how you could have inferred this from my initial posture not to "trust only in my assumptions".
    If this was the case you would need to take into account that it is in my range of possibilities that i'm too obstinate and trusting in my ability to "pre-understand".
    I dare take a shot at it now...but I would say LSE.
    What hard science are you in?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theta View Post
    Seems according to how i reason.



    Never judged my ways as realistic rather pragmatic, i like to see how consequences could/are follow(ing) up, so that i'm prepared for what might come; but yes reliable information, meaning that it should make sense; Concrete as in evidential (but not as in contrast to abstract), yes i prefer to create possible scenarios based on the expectation of certain evidence.



    I get this, seems paradoxical for me to be N if following your descriptions, although i can see how you could have inferred this from my initial posture not to "trust only in my assumptions".
    If this was the case you would need to take into account that it is in my range of possibilities that i'm too obstinate and trusting in my ability to "pre-understand".
    Yeah, well that alone is ILE or LSE

    You seem to understand or read me very well; that's interesting to say the least even when I have only included so very few words.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theta View Post
    i like gathering knowledge, in general because it is fun; so i let people talk while i gather what is useful for me. When something is not useful and/or puts the whole reasoning of someone in danger, i still let people talk too see how or why they are flawed and what moved them to came to such a conclusion.
    I don't tell people a lot how they are wrong unless i do care, or see how it could affect me at some point (or if someone challenges me).

    loving, caring and close; someone who expresses her feelings with actions, because i have a hard time assessing the "status" of any relationship.
    LSE; I'm not sure what LIE would look at this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theta View Post
    Also one thing i find difficult managing is my energy drive; it's easier for me to wait for the moment where i'm really into working and do all of it LOL
    Contradict LSE typing. This may indicate introverted

    Quote Originally Posted by Theta View Post
    hmm... i don't like schedules when they are too restrictive, it goes against waiting for opportunities and timing.

    After Reading the word usage the combination of and seems accurate. But the order is still vague, although i'm still more inclined to believe ILI. I can see how is present in many people i'm influenced by.
    Influence by or influencing?

    Are these two desciptions better?

    A man who knows the world will not only make the most of everything he does know, but of many things that he does not know; and will gain more credit by his adroit mode of hiding his ignorance than the pendant by his awkward attempt to exhibit his erudition. – Colton.

    Honoré de Balzac—the French writer.

    1."Imagination directs me". He possesses a powerful, intellectual imagination. A representative of this type, Honoré de Balzac, in his series of novels, The Human Comedy "painted" the portraits of more than 2000 people who appear hyper real: "he is comparable perhaps only to the city controller's office" —wrote of him Andre Maurois. Similarly, the phantasmagoric world of Gabriel García Marquez is impressively precise in every detail. Due to this quality The Critic can forecast the future quite well. From empirical observations of how a man acts at various times he creates something like a functional model in his mind. In general, he tends to know everything in advance. If he did not have to warn other people about possible dangers (opportunities interest him less), he most possibly would feel himself redundant.

    2."A priest's calmness and restraint". He almost never expresses emotions and protects from them his family and friends. He sincerely believes that passions, too strong, will lead one to his doom. Honoré de Balzac has constantly demonstrated throughout his literary works how passion spreads like a devastating cancer that eats away the souls of men until it finally suppresses all else. This holds totally true in the case of his dual (Caesar, The Politician), a hyperactive person that easily gets carried away.

    3.A profound analyst. He is convinced that living is impossible if one disregards the natural laws that regulate the world. One who ignores reality is heading for disaster. The Criticist believes that it is better to be somewhat too cynical then be a hypocrite. Hearing of a situation, he very soon thoroughly understands it and begins to tell to the bewildered interlocutor the details and aspects that the latter had overlooked. His analysis is devoid of any self-encouragement. "You shouldn't have a different attitude towards life than you have for the kitchen—the same amount of stinking odor; if you want to cook a dish, you'll have to get your hands dirty, just make sure you'll be able to wash the dirt off once you are done; that's the entire moral of our day and age."—So speaks Vautrin, a hero of Balzac's books. Such misanthropy can kill the anybody's spirits, except his dual (The Politician)!

    4."First and foremost, he is kind". In spite of all his "negativism", he is really a very kindly person in nature. The above phrase about Honoré de Balzac belongs to George Sand who knew him very well. He likes strong people who know their way in life, who demand concessions: such people release him from the necessity to invent goals, while using methods invented by him (he is a master of inventing methods.) He is capable of pouring a bucket of cold water out on the head of an enthusiast. But on the other hand, he is likewise capable of easing one's despair, when they are unlucky, when things go the wrong way, when destiny seems to be hostile.

    5.Unapproachable and thus desired. A girl-student by the name of Laima (The Politician) gave a good description of this type when she tried to describe the hero of her dreams: "He must be handsome and smart, with big and sad eyes, not talkative. He does not tell compliments, and by that he creates an impression of his inapproachability. He is taunted by myriads of problems, which, in my opinion are nothing to be bothered with. I am attracted by his sadness, seriousness, so I try to amuse him, to raise his spirits, to make him happy. If such a boy is present at a party, I wouldn't be bored." This is a vivid description of this personality type, who is constant in his feelings, does not like adventures, and desires total dependence of his demanding partner.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theta View Post
    Yes wikisocion... is there a source which is more reliable?
    Rick's other sites socionics.us and socionist.blogspot.com are good. Unfortunately a lot of wikisocion's data was lost a few months ago. I haven't looked at it much since, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of any info you get there.

    Hahaha...ok so you don't jump to conclusions (but about my gender, which is accurate btw); just to reduce the spam of options:

    I'm a psychology student, because i have a social investigative tendency.
    I'm good with exact sciences, but in general i excel academically, as long as i appreciate the usefulness of the given knowledge. I only concentrate or act when i can see the benefit. In that way you could say i'm inclined to wait for the opportunities.
    Again, this all suggests that you value a lot.

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    Playing video games, but only those which are based on strategy or tactics. I prefer games that are progressive, where you get to choose Characters/paths rather then linear-history action games. (which usually bore me easily).
    This probably has to do with .

    I'm pretty sure you're LIE. If not, probably ILI or some other ego type.

    heh, well actually the main issue i've been having is related to how predictable the questions and answers are. Specifically the problem is that after reading the possible answers i already estimated what the possible results of those answers are, and since i can hardly forget the answers of previous questions (nor the estimations) the result is a very accurate prediction of what road of choices leads to which personality.
    Apart from the fact that this process is usually very useful, it is somewhat frustrating, not being able to "just answer". Basically the association process is faster then the reading.
    Methinks you're thinking too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Rick's other sites socionics.us and socionist.blogspot.com are good. Unfortunately a lot of wikisocion's data was lost a few months ago. I haven't looked at it much since, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of any info you get there.
    Indeed i noticed the infos were suddenly lost, and unexpectedly not-backed up (too bad). I have visited those other sites before but will be giving them more credit now.
    Thanks!

    Again, this all suggests that you value a lot.
    ok so ; how can i contrast to ? I read = algorithmic logic; while = structural logic; this implies cares about the process, while about the disposition. Is this accurate?

    This probably has to do with .
    I'm pretty sure you're LIE. If not, probably ILI or some other ego type.
    I read this thread: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...zombified.html

    and came to the conclusion that my best friend (not have many of those) is a LIE (i don't think i know more then 2 potential LIE's).

    I'm inclined to believe that according to those descriptions it is more plausible for me to use Cre-

    also this quote:
    Cre-Te takes care of its own caring little for Acc-Te, Acc-Te is forced to try to find a way to work with it and often succeeds in working around the Cre-Te viewpoint.
    Could describe our relating style.

    Methinks you're thinking too much.
    This is Not out of order; prefer to keep on developing my reasoning heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theta View Post
    ok so ; how can i contrast to ? I read = algorithmic logic; while = structural logic; this implies cares about the process, while about the disposition. Is this accurate?
    Basically, yeah.

    is about processes, methods, efficiency, effectiveness, usefulness, expertise, pragmatism, information, etc.

    is about logic, sequential reasoning, contradictions, frameworks, theories, assumptions, structure, (dis)agreement, etc.

    So is about practice, is about theory. Everyone uses both, obviously, but you definitely seem to be more focused on issues of practical importance.

    ok...don't work from smilingeyes' stuff just yet. It has some bearing on classical socionics but smilingeyes also has some things that are, so to speak, original research.

    Wikisocion is probably the best source breadth-wise right now, despite the loss of data.

    I'm inclined to believe that according to those descriptions it is more plausible for me to use Cre-
    Do you identify more with an point of view or an point of view? It's probably easier to determine this before the position has in the ego block. If it's , then you should try to figure out whether or is the core motivation behind what you do, and which kind of information you care more about.
    Could describe our relating style.
    Don't even try to type yourself based on relations...it's way harder lol.

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    [quote=thehotelambush;649673]Rick's other sites socionics.us and socionist.blogspot.com are good. Unfortunately a lot of wikisocion's data was lost a few months ago. I haven't looked at it much since, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of any info you get there.

    Again, this all suggests that you value a lot.

    This probably has to do with .

    I'm pretty sure you're LIE. If not, probably ILI or some other ego type.

    Methinks you're thinking too much.
    What do you think about ILI for you?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Rick's other sites socionics.us and socionist.blogspot.com are good. Unfortunately a lot of wikisocion's data was lost a few months ago. I haven't looked at it much since, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of any info you get there.

    Again, this all suggests that you value a lot.



    What do you think about ILI for you?
    Me? I'm LII.

    I think ILI would make sense for Theta too, not sure at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theta View Post
    So i'm here asking for help; which is somewhat strange for me to experience, but i'm sure there's someone who will be typing me with not that much effort (according to probability). But after being mentally violated with too much MBTI during a long time, i can't remain detached from the process, and i don't like understanding if it is only backed up by my speculations. Also i am somewhat tired of reading type descriptions, because i can hardly see the process; which i really need to understand if i'm to use and develop on this theory.
    So i need approaches to my typing.

    I have tried making my own work on socionics, but i need feedback on those tables to corroborate the direction.

    So you can assume my approach to socionics is somewhat biased by MBTI. which is fine.
    One last thing to say is, i realize describing my life could potentially subject me to expose selected data which could mess/influence with your typing so i'm ready to hear some other more effective methods to surpass this tendency.
    NT. I would look at LIE first, but ILI is also a great suggestion. To avoid talking about your life (you Fe-nonvaluer you) look at function descriptions and see what makes more sense for you. Or you could just follow the process that you've started which is obviously working. lol.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Are you impulsive and unpredictable?
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Basically, yeah.

    is about processes, methods, efficiency, effectiveness, usefulness, expertise, pragmatism, information, etc.

    is about logic, sequential reasoning, contradictions, frameworks, theories, assumptions, structure, (dis)agreement, etc.

    So is about practice, is about theory. Everyone uses both, obviously, but you definitely seem to be more focused on issues of practical importance.
    Ok it should be obvious now, thanks.

    ok...don't work from smilingeyes' stuff just yet. It has some bearing on classical socionics but smilingeyes also has some things that are, so to speak, original research.

    Wikisocion is probably the best source breadth-wise right now, despite the loss of data.
    Tragic. But i will be checking the infos then. Hmm.. interesting this is the first time i even try to read something from smilingeyes, it's usually awkwardly posted.

    Do you identify more with an point of view or an point of view? It's probably easier to determine this before the position has in the ego block. If it's , then you should try to figure out whether or is the core motivation behind what you do, and which kind of information you care more about.
    I read and i'm less inclined to believe it might be my base function. I can hardy distinguish between sensations (this is really confusing for me; my girlfriend usually cares for these), i'm not used to meassure comfort (only i know i can think better if i'm in fetal position embracing my knees LOL). I also have something against "regular aesthetics". i kind of choose or try to build my way of what is "acceptable".

    Don't even try to type yourself based on relations...it's way harder lol.
    heh i know, i usually try not to do that, but i'm so certain of my friends type, now that it was useless, my effort to inhibit that comment...

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    @Theta

    Also, I can't recommend enough the Vocabulary page at wikisocion, if you know the vocab associated with each info element you know what that element means, its semantics. Also try to notice which kinds of words you use a lot. This is how I picked up on : "usefulness, benefit, estimated, accurate, measure, efficiency, give credit, reliable" (yikes!). This is the stupid-easiest way to type someone, especially online.

    Vocabulary - Wikisocion
    i'll be checking this, about right now. Sounds like the best way not to waste time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    What do you think about ILI for you?
    i'm considering it to be the closest description i could identify myself with so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    NT. I would look at LIE first, but ILI is also a great suggestion. To avoid talking about your life (you Fe-nonvaluer you) look at function descriptions and see what makes more sense for you. Or you could just follow the process that you've started which is obviously working. lol.
    LOL, i hope i didn't offend your beliefs; but too much and i get nervous... my mother made me always feel that way, when she overplayed the emotional moments... ugh.

    I'm considering both. But the main issue is that i came to choose my career early this year (a bit later then expected); so it's difficult to project myself as efficient; although i do think about efficiency a lot (but rather in ways to get my way).

    there are also confusing facts in my life such as: when i was little i had this tendency not to care for sports, but early i was "forced" to train tennis (about 4 hours a day, 5 days a week; and i would play on the weekend with my parents too...)

    And now i can watch sports sometimes, but preffer to play videogames, or watch NatGeo WILD LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Are you impulsive and unpredictable?
    hmm... i can be impulsive and unpredictable; but actually i would rather say i can seem to be impulsive and unpredictable... hehe.

    But indeed most people that "know" me, don't.

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    ok, would you consider yourself to be a busy person? Do you have a structured schedule?

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    LIE sounds good so far
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    ok, would you consider yourself to be a busy person? Do you have a structured schedule?
    What happened to pheadreus? what broke him?
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    So I decided to finally make a video to assess my typing.

    Please Tell me what u think.

    http://db.tt/fYDzSh0

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    -PoLR
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Ni-ILI for you, based on the first half or so of the video I saw so far, as well as your posts and pics ( was obvious as hell, the / preference became apparent later)... hello dual
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